Do we have a new reigion that Christ started called the new ovenant?

[Blik]

I was under the law, just like everyone else.

But then I came to Christ and received His Rest.

Now, I am no longer under the law. Now, the vail is removed from my mind. Now, I understand scripture.


Everyone who has been saved by Grace through Faith should know that they aren't under the law. Unfortunately, there have been judaizers from day one who want to confuse the way we relate to God.

The law is not the way to righteously Love God. Your understanding of what the law says and how to follow it falls short, very very short, of what is required to fulfill it. Your pride knows no bounds.


God made a new Covenant with us because the old Covenant was broken over and over. Why would you attempt to put a yoke on Christians that you yourself are unable to bear? It must be because you don't understand scripture. You don't understand what the law says and what we are up against. You don't understand the Rest that we receive in Christ.

Galatians 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Most of the Judaizers silliness is addressed in Galatians. But really, just about every epistle of Paul addresses their same error. It must be a REALLY big one.​

i think you have read scripture and are confused about what it tells you.

If you were under the law for living, then your life would be like the life of unbelievers---you could not live with the Lord forever for your sin (acts against the law) would lead to your death. For you, when you sin because you live in the body and we know sin, you are not under that way. Christ took on your sin and through Him you may have forgiveness. You are not under the law but you are under Christ.

The world lived a long, long time before Christ was born as a man, but the world was created by God in one way and one way only. It did not change, so innocent blood was required for grace to happen for grace to happen. God explained that they were to use innocent blood available to them. The why was a mystery, but they obeyed. Christ explained the mystery.

They were given Passover as an explanation of the mystery, but still the world needed the life of Christ to understand. We are still to celebrate Passover as praise for Christ.

Now, we are on to a different subject that has little relation to grace. It is how to live in this world in peace, abundance, and joy. It is how to receive the blessings here that God wants for us. After God led the people He had created to help us understand how the created the world to be (Hebrews) God wrote the basic laws the world operates on on tablets of stone so we would always have them. Then God gave us all the Holy Spirit so these laws were written on our hearts. If we break these laws without going to Christ for cleansing it damages our soul. Paul says it means that we can't enter the kingdom of God.

Salvation is something that we are given through what our minds accept about God. What we do about the laws is a separate issue. Always has been as all scripture explains. The church today likes to say that because of this, because we aren't under the law, we can toss out the 119th psalm. We can't toss out any scripture.

Don't get grace and obedience mixed up--understand about them both, what they are, and why God gave them to us and why BOTH are important to us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You my friend are quoting and supporting what PEOPLE were doing and saying....not one scripture in support of it ....that should tell you something if you could SEE.

The Scriptures have been presented and re-presented but that makes no difference to you. So why are you complaining about "no Scriptures"?

You have even denied that the Lord's Day is the first day of the week, and that should tell you something. You have also mocked the proper understanding of the Lord's Day by good Christian men (which I presented some time ago) because you are obsessed with Sabbatarianism.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11)

The New Covenant ushered in a new day of rest and worship signifying a NEW CREATION, and Christians were observing the first day of the week as their day of rest and worship. We have many here denying that Christ arose on the first day of the week simply because they need to support their Sabbatarianism. Furthermore how could Christ arise on the day of rest? Would that not be absurd?

The Pharisees were constantly attacking Christ because He healed on the sabbath days. But He was teaching them that even under the Old Covenant doing good was permitted on the sabbath days. Further He is Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is Christ who decides which will be the Christian sabbath. Therefore He inspired the apostle John to speak about "the Lord's Day" which was reserved for the Lord's worship, and the Lord's Supper at the Lord's Table.

 

[Blik]

The Scriptures have been presented and re-presented but that makes no difference to you. So why are you complaining about "no Scriptures"?

You have even denied that the Lord's Day is the first day of the week, and that should tell you something. You have also mocked the proper understanding of the Lord's Day by good Christian men (which I presented some time ago) because you are obsessed with Sabbatarianism.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11)

The New Covenant ushered in a new day of rest and worship signifying a NEW CREATION, and Christians were observing the first day of the week as their day of rest and worship. We have many here denying that Christ arose on the first day of the week simply because they need to support their Sabbatarianism. Furthermore how could Christ arise on the day of rest? Would that not be absurd?

The Pharisees were constantly attacking Christ because He healed on the sabbath days. But He was teaching them that even under the Old Covenant doing good was permitted on the sabbath days. Further He is Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is Christ who decides which will be the Christian sabbath. Therefore He inspired the apostle John to speak about "the Lord's Day" which was reserved for the Lord's worship, and the Lord's Supper at the Lord's Table.

And you are told and told and told in scripture and STILL you read one scripture as an excuse to throw out an other.

If someone told you it rained in Alaska one day, and then told you it snowed in Alaska another day would you decide it snowed in Alaska but did not rain? God tells you about grace and the new covenant in Christ. You are getting it, you know that Christ died for you and what that means to you. You are also told about obedience and the promises of God that result from obedience. You are told what obedience does not do. Can't you accept what you are told about them?

Would you decide that rain looks white when it comes to earth? In the same way obedience does not save. But rain is a wonderful thing. In the same way (but oh, so much more so) obedience is wonderful, and the grace we have through Christ is wonderful. Different, but wonderful. The New Covenant is wonderful, the old covenant is wonderful. There simply is no reason to debate and argue about it.

Also, if we believe what Christ tells us and follow what Christ does then we listen to His Father and follow them. Christ did not oppose the Father in any way. The Father created the world and it was as He created it, and the Son did not come as an earthly rebel. What the Father said the Son said. The Father said that when he created the world He wove into it (how else can you say it, but wove seems wrong) the fact that it is made for working for six days and then resting. God blessed the seventh day. Our time is divided into weeks, and at first the days of the weeks were just counted. There was day one, day two, and so on. What was created and made so was a seventh day that was blessed and we were instructed to rest on that day. It was called a Sabbath. Resting on that day is what God did, it is what Christ did, and it is what we are to do. You can rebel, but you can't change what God has done.

 

[beta]

The Scriptures have been presented and re-presented but that makes no difference to you. So why are you complaining about "no Scriptures"?

You have even denied that the Lord's Day is the first day of the week, and that should tell you something. You have also mocked the proper understanding of the Lord's Day by good Christian men (which I presented some time ago) because you are obsessed with Sabbatarianism.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11)

The New Covenant ushered in a new day of rest and worship signifying a NEW CREATION, and Christians were observing the first day of the week as their day of rest and worship. We have many here denying that Christ arose on the first day of the week simply because they need to support their Sabbatarianism. Furthermore how could Christ arise on the day of rest? Would that not be absurd?

The Pharisees were constantly attacking Christ because He healed on the sabbath days. But He was teaching them that even under the Old Covenant doing good was permitted on the sabbath days. Further He is Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is Christ who decides which will be the Christian sabbath. Therefore He inspired the apostle John to speak about "the Lord's Day" which was reserved for the Lord's worship, and the Lord's Supper at the Lord's Table.

christian sabbath ???? where in scripture does it say that, when was it sanctified and hallowed ????
when did God or Jesus rest on it ???? all MAN MADE stuff of no effect !!!!
I am not mocking but stating facts.

 

[Studyman]

Do you believe that Christians must abide by the terms of the old covenant?
If not, must Christians abide by any of the terms of the old covenant?
If so, how do you interpret Paul's letter to the Galatians?

If you use the definition of the New Covenant given by the Word which became Flesh, then you would believe the old covenant mentioned is the Levitical Priesthood. In which case no one on this forum ever asked Christians to go back to finding a Levite Priest to receive the Word of God, or animal sacrifice for justification of sins. The Jews "Bewitched" the Galatians with these "works of the Law" of the old covenant. They had not accepted the New Priesthood with better promises.

 

[Blik]

If you use the definition of the New Covenant given by the Word which became Flesh, then you would believe the old covenant mentioned is the Levitical Priesthood. In which case no one on this forum ever asked Christians to go back to finding a Levite Priest to receive the Word of God, or animal sacrifice for justification of sins. The Jews "Bewitched" the Galatians with these "works of the Law" of the old covenant. They had not accepted the New Priesthood with better promises.

These are facts that were given to all of us so we would know about the God who created us. We are to learn about the Levitical Priesthood for it tells us of what our present priest does for us. Jesus did not change how God created, Christ took on the high priest work and does it much better. We are not to refuse to listen to the Lord as He tells us about what a high priest is and what he does. The work remains the same, Christ does it better.

It is the same with the innocent blood of animals shed for sin. Christ does that now but we are to listen as the Lord tells us of what that does, what sins it covers in chapters of OT text telling us about it. Christ's blood replaces animal blood.

God is a holy God, His work is holy. The old covenant and the new covenant were binding promises given by a dependable and holy God.

You are not to scoff at the centuries of innocent blood of animals that was shed for sin because we are blessed with the blood of Christ.