ENEMIES OF THE CROSS DOCTRINE

[UnderGrace]

This is in regard to pastoral ministry correct?

Do you think that "save" here is about eternal life?

We do not save ourselves so surely this is not what Paul is referring to.

As well, you can exert self effort, you may win some victories, I myself prefer to go to the Living Waters like Jesus instructed us to, there you will avoid sinning.

How do you explain this?

Fix [your] attention on yourself and on your teaching. Continue in them, for [by] doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Timothy 4:16​

I was disappointed that you didn't answer my question if it was wrong for a person to exert self effort to avoid sinning.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How do you explain this?

Fix [your] attention on yourself and on your teaching. Continue in them, for [by] doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Timothy 4:16​

This is in regard to pastoral ministry correct?

Do you think that "save" here is about eternal life?

I'm certain that it goes beyond pastoral ministry because it says that those who hear and continue in his doctrine will save themselves.

 

[UnderGrace]

Well if you believe you can save yourself then all I can say is you have missed the Good News message.

I'm certain that it goes beyond pastoral ministry because it says that those who hear and continue in his doctrine will save themselves.

 

[jameen]

Philippians 3:17-21 King James Version (KJV)

ENEMIES OF THE CROSS

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me (be "Fellow-imitators"), and mark them which walk so as you have us for an ensample (observe intently).

[SUP]18[/SUP](For many walk (speaks of those attempting to live for God outside of the victory and rudiments of the Cross of Christ), of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping (this is a most serious matter), that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ (those who do not look exclusively to the Cross of Christ must be labeled "enemies"):

[SUP]19[/SUP]Whose end is destruction (if the Cross is ignored, and continues to be ignored, the loss of the soul is the only ultimate conclusion), whose God is their belly (refers to those who attempt to pervert the Gospel for their own personal gain), and whose glory is in their shame (the material things they seek, God labels as "shame"), who mind earthly things.) (This means they have no interest in Heavenly things, which signifies they are using the Lord for their own personal gain.)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation (citizenship) is in Heaven (meaning the other ways will have no place in Heaven); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Rapture):

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Who (the Lord) shall change our vile body (the Resurrection), that it may be fashioned like unto his Glorious body (every Saint will have a Glorified Body), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself. ("All things" are done through the Cross.)​

The enemies of the cross are those people who used Christ's teachings in order to make a religion and make merchandise of its members by asking a lot of contributions from them (as mentioned in letters of Peter Chapter 2)

Most of them are in the Bible based groups. because a Catholic a go to church until he dies w/o giving a single cent every Mass.

while in some Bible based groups, a pastor will frighten you of stealing God, curses etc. if you do not give a lot for his congregation.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ should be made of none effect” (1 Cor.1:17). If it is to be noticed, he did not say.“lest the Resurrection of Christ should be made of none effect.”

He also said, “For the preaching (Word) of the Cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are Saved it is the Power of God.” (1 Cor.1:18). He did not say, “For the preaching of the Resurrection is to them….”​

The great Apostle also said, “But we preach Christ Crucified” (1 Cor. 1:23). He did not say, as it regards the Atonement,“We preach Christ Resurrected…” ​

Of course, Paul preached the Resurrection of Christ, even as Chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians bears out, but not as the Atonement.​

In 1 Corinthians 1:17 Paul states that Christ sent him to preach the gospel. The gospel includes the crucifixion (cross) as well as the resurrection as shown in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

That is the gospel.

It is in the resurrection from the dead that the power of God to those who are saved is revealed (1 Cor 1:18).

Again, the gospel includes both the crucifixion and the resurrection.

2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God.

He was crucified through weakness — He lives by the power of God Who raised Him from the dead.

Where is the power of God exhibited? Is the power of God revealed in the crucifixion? Or is the power of God revealed in the resurrection?


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He also stated to the Church at Corinth and to all others as well, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified” (1 Cor. 2:2). He did not say, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Resurrected…”

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The reason Paul states in 1 Cor 2:2 that he determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified is because for the most part the church at Corinth was a carnal church. He could go no further than the cross and the resurrection with them because of all the problems he had to deal with in the church.

However, there were some in the church who Paul could speak with in more depth and he could go beyond the rudiments of the gospel (cross and resurrection). In 1 Cor 2:6 Paul state howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (of full age, mature). For those who were babes in Christ (1 Cor 3:1), Paul taught the basics ... the gospel (Jesus Christ and Him crucified and the resurrection, which is the power of God).

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As I have stated before on other discussions, while the Resurrection, and the Ascension, and the Exaltation of Christ were of extreme significance, these three tremendous attributes were the result of the Atonement, i.e., “the Cross,” instead of the cause.

Did Jesus Christ know God was going to raise Him from the dead?​