Paul taught opposite to what Jesus said?

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Waggles

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Paul is not teaching any doctrine opposed to the teachings of Jesus.
BUT
the makers of this video are up to mischief and presenting very false
doctrinal dichotomies in their use of "opposing" scriptures.

Paul, an Apostle by Jesus Christ himself and taught by revelation through
the Holy Spirit, explains much to us on the nature of Christ Jesus and of his
ministry, and of his atoning sacrifice [and the power of his resurrection].
There is a great deal we would not know about Jesus as God and Saviour
without the information that Paul provides.

I suggest you read Romans and Hebrews.
 

Nehemiah6

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Can you clarify the points in the video. Why is it such that Pauls teaching are opposite to what Jesus taught?
Don't pay any attention to nonsense. Read and study your Bible and shut off You Tube.
 
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Can you clarify the points in the video. Why is it such that Pauls teaching are opposite to what Jesus taught?

https://youtu.be/3DY-t_Fwxv0


its a distortion like were warned of by peter about pauls epistles thier easy to distort a message from....

2 peter 3 " And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
as far as Paul speaking of Jesus doctrine and words.... He would say this to this video

1 timothy 6 " If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."



thats really the true North, if you have to explain why Jesus had it wrong concerning eternal Life, that only He can Give, its a sure fire herecy, best to part away from. Like the serpent in eden....." did God really say what He said?"...Naw listen to me ill explain.....


Not sure How christians fall for false doctrine, given We Have the truth written in every corner of the world available to all men. im not sure when the special interpreter became necassary in faith, but biblically, were supposed to follow Jesus and receive His Holy spirit and walk in the truth. i would advise People to really think about who can offer salvation, and what He said about salvation...and then Realize He said this will never ever change, it will be the same until the world ends. there is Only One way and it is Jesus. Paul Knew that better than Many.

realize people try to Make a doctrine out of Just Paul...but Nothing Paul said would Mean anything if Jesus did Not first Give the Gospel and then call Him to preach the Gospel. Pauls letters arent even " his" doctrine. they are corrective and supportive Letters He sent Back to the churches He established with barnabus and Luke. He says In the letters " be sure you obey all of the commands we gave you By Mouth, when we were with you, and also read these letters to the churches...


The Only " doctrine" for a Christian is the Gospel. that is the entirety of the covenant. Like the prophets.....the apostles are messengers spreading the News and calling People to Jesus. they arent Making anything New up, they are the Lords servants, His messengers. His fellows, those He chose to send the gospel out to the world from Jerusalem...... Paul is Just the same as any apostle, the Only thoing different is that He didnt walk with Jesus like the other 11, He received the same Gospel By revelation and was commissioned like the other 11 to carry the gospel to both Jew, and Gentile. all the earth.


Pauls teachings are all in direct Line with the Gospel, also with John and Peters epoistles its all the same thing written with different words, Paul just uses different phrases and imagery to say the same things, probably Because He was a roman citizen, and More educated than the Jews who were Not roman citizens, Paul was actually Born a Roman, so undoubtedly He was well educated and it shows , He is Maybe the Most eliquent writer in the early Modern History, In My opinion anyways.

How he says things the way He expresses the spiritual truths of Jesus in Words Making them so descriptuve, so tender in Places speaking of Love, so vivid in Places speaking of the fires of Jesus return and final Judgement.....Pauls a valuable great part of scripture, He doesnt teach contrary to anything in scriptiure.
 

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Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ,
and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)
Galatians 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus
our brother,
Colossians 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the
promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
2Timothy 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to
the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is
after godliness;
Titus 1:1
 

Waggles

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10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men?
for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached
of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by
the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:
 
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I have verified all the points and they are legitimate. Point one point that is faked?
 

graceNpeace

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Can you clarify the points in the video. Why is it such that Pauls teaching are opposite to what Jesus taught?

https://youtu.be/3DY-t_Fwxv0
FWIW I watched the whole video - it is only a few minutes long.

Based on the approach used I could make either Jesus contradict Himself or Paul contradict himself!
Basically once one takes Scripture out of context it is possible to make that Scripture say almost anything - as is the case here...

Of course many on BDF do exactly the same thing and also come up with weird doctrine...

Basically, if anyone accepts the conclusions of this video at face value they are either exceptionally gullible or incredibly stupid!
 

posthuman

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the 'video' is just a handful of poorly-researched memes stitched together that focus on denying the divinity of Christ. do an image search on "Paul vs Jesus" and you'll find them all.

Can you prove one point to be fake? Just One. Look and the first point and give your opinion
the 'first point' i guess is this:

John 14:28, "my Father is greater than I" vs. Jesus is equal to the Father

-- no need to appeal to anything Paul wrote to establish this; John himself didn't think it contradictory: just have a look at John chapter 1: God and the Word ((Christ)) are one and the same. also in John 17:5, Jesus Himself in prayer speaks of sharing the same glory as the glory of the Father - which in Isaiah 42:8 the LORD says He shares with no one. so there are two witnesses, John and Jesus Himself making the Son and the Father equal. furthermore Jesus was crucified on the charge of making Himself equal with God - as witnessed by Matthew, Mark & Luke also. to every Jew living at the time it was very obvious that Jesus, by what He did and said, implicated that He was equal to God, that He is God living in flesh. 50,000 more witnesses.

what you're missing is the mystery of godliness ((re: 1 Timothy 3:16)) - that God existed in the flesh. having taken the form of a man, He spoke as a man. being in very substance God, He also spoke as God. it is the same principle as when He was going with His disciples to raise Lazarus. He told them Lazarus was sleeping, and when they didn't understand, He "told them plainly" Lazarus was dead - though in another place He says to God all live. these are not contradictions; it is the Lord speaking spiritually and speaking in a human way when, because of the limitations of their understanding, they did not comprehend higher things ((compare Romans 6:19 e.g.)).


but are you actually looking to understand, or just looking to argue and win some kind of imaginary 'debate crown' ? maybe win some converts to Islam?
 

posthuman

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i will say it's refreshing to see that at least this antichrist acknowledges that the scriptures teach Jesus is God ((even though his meme doesn't give any scripture references to that point)).

there are a lot of people who profess to be Christian yet don't even believe that.

if even the antichrist admits it, shouldn't the church be proclaiming it and teaching it?
 

Zmouth

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i will say it's refreshing to see that at least this antichrist acknowledges that the scriptures teach Jesus is God ((even though his meme doesn't give any scripture references to that point)).
[FONT=&quot]Since words can be true or words can be lies, if the scriptures are teaching you that Jesus is God then how can a person be an antichrist if they believe the scriptures teach Jesus is God?
[/FONT]
 

John146

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Can you clarify the points in the video. Why is it such that Pauls teaching are opposite to what Jesus taught?

https://youtu.be/3DY-t_Fwxv0
They did not teach exactly the same thing, therefore, Jesus revealed to Paul the teachings to the church, His body, after the resurrection. These things were never revealed to other men.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

There are things that Paul taught that were revealed to Him by Jesus that were hard to understand with the rest of the Apostles including Peter.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

In the same way the OT saints had different truths dispensed to them, the NT is no different. God reveals truth to man as needed. What God gave Noah concerning the flood is not the same truth God gave Abraham, etc. What Jesus gave the Jews during His ministry on earth is not the exact same doctrine as He gave the Apostle Paul to preach to the Gentile world.
 

posthuman

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Since words can be true or words can be lies, if the scriptures are teaching you that Jesus is God then how can a person be an antichrist if they believe the scriptures teach Jesus is God?
i believe that the Vedas teach there are tens of thousands of gods and that individual personhood is an illusion.
that does not mean i believe what the Vedas teach.
 

hornetguy

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its a distortion like were warned of by peter about pauls epistles thier easy to distort a message from....

2 peter 3 " And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
as far as Paul speaking of Jesus doctrine and words.... He would say this to this video

1 timothy 6 " If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."



thats really the true North, if you have to explain why Jesus had it wrong concerning eternal Life, that only He can Give, its a sure fire herecy, best to part away from. Like the serpent in eden....." did God really say what He said?"...Naw listen to me ill explain.....


Not sure How christians fall for false doctrine, given We Have the truth written in every corner of the world available to all men. im not sure when the special interpreter became necassary in faith, but biblically, were supposed to follow Jesus and receive His Holy spirit and walk in the truth. i would advise People to really think about who can offer salvation, and what He said about salvation...and then Realize He said this will never ever change, it will be the same until the world ends. there is Only One way and it is Jesus. Paul Knew that better than Many.

realize people try to Make a doctrine out of Just Paul...but Nothing Paul said would Mean anything if Jesus did Not first Give the Gospel and then call Him to preach the Gospel. Pauls letters arent even " his" doctrine. they are corrective and supportive Letters He sent Back to the churches He established with barnabus and Luke. He says In the letters " be sure you obey all of the commands we gave you By Mouth, when we were with you, and also read these letters to the churches...


The Only " doctrine" for a Christian is the Gospel. that is the entirety of the covenant. Like the prophets.....the apostles are messengers spreading the News and calling People to Jesus. they arent Making anything New up, they are the Lords servants, His messengers. His fellows, those He chose to send the gospel out to the world from Jerusalem...... Paul is Just the same as any apostle, the Only thoing different is that He didnt walk with Jesus like the other 11, He received the same Gospel By revelation and was commissioned like the other 11 to carry the gospel to both Jew, and Gentile. all the earth.


Pauls teachings are all in direct Line with the Gospel, also with John and Peters epoistles its all the same thing written with different words, Paul just uses different phrases and imagery to say the same things, probably Because He was a roman citizen, and More educated than the Jews who were Not roman citizens, Paul was actually Born a Roman, so undoubtedly He was well educated and it shows , He is Maybe the Most eliquent writer in the early Modern History, In My opinion anyways.

How he says things the way He expresses the spiritual truths of Jesus in Words Making them so descriptuve, so tender in Places speaking of Love, so vivid in Places speaking of the fires of Jesus return and final Judgement.....Pauls a valuable great part of scripture, He doesnt teach contrary to anything in scriptiure.
the same scripture in easier-to-understand English....

[SUP]15 [/SUP]and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. [SUP]17 [/SUP]You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, [SUP]18 [/SUP]but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
 
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No, Paul did not teach the opposite of what Jesus said, and Paul was inspired by JESUS, taught by direct revelation from Jesus and it is absolute ignorance that would lead anyone to believe that Paul contradicted JESUS...........
 
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Can you prove one point to be fake? Just One. Look and the first point and give your opinion
If you want to know something, ask. If you want a review of a YouTube video, talk about it in the comment section under the video. This isn't a YouTube video review site. And you've given no relevant reason to watch yet-another-YouTube-video.