People of Judaic faith tradition are still God's chosen people as heritage of Jesus

[prove-all]

Christians need to be clear about the culpability of
the nation of Israel in the crucifixion of Christ

The bible says [the nation of Israel] was scattered abroad,
and was not even in the area when Christ was crucified.

 

[garee]

I was wondering what members of the forum thought about this issue? I believe that people of the Judaic faith tradition are still God's chosen people who were chosen to reveal salvation history, and fulfill it, since once God gives a decree, it can not be recalled. Mary and Joseph were both born of Jewish heritage to King David, and Jesus is also a son of David, as well as the Son of God as well as the Jewish Messiah, for those of us who are re-born into the New Covenant through faith.

Many people do not understand that it was not the Jewish people as a whole who rejected Jesus as Messiah, but, only many of the Israeli leaders at that time, who rejected both Jesus and John the Baptist, and tried to silence the early Christians. Some of the leaders of the Judaic heritage defended Jesus and it was a mob-mentality, fueled by religious legalistic strongholds, that were obsessed with silencing Him.

I think most, if not all of the disciples were Jewish, and so was the Apostle Paul, a former Pharisee. Luke was Greek I think?
So, Christians and Jews should learn to appreciate our common heritage.
It was not the Jews alone who crucified Jesus, but, everyone there--
and they represent all of us...
We are called to forgive all people equally, as we are ourselves forgiven through Jesus in the New Covenant.
The Apostle Paul is the most dramatic and powerful example of a Jewish Pharisee whose life was totally and dramatically transformed by turning to the Lord as the Christian Messiah.

Paul turned to his new faith, the faith of Christ from his previous Judaizers faith, the faith of men .​

 

[garee]

Christians need to be clear about the culpability of the nation of Israel in the crucifixion of Christ, as well as the fact that there will come a day in the future when "all Israel shall be saved". So God does have a future plan for believing Israel (redeemed and restored Israel). But we need to be clear about their guilt in the killing of Christ and how that brought God's judgment on Israel in the first century A.D​

Yes all Israel in respect to an inward Jew as those no different than a converted gentile .God purifying both by a work of His faith, working in man to both will and do His good pleasure

Not all Israel is Israel.

Remember the Son of man said of His own flesh it profits for nothing, nada zero zip

 

[Nehemiah6]

The bible says [the nation of Israel] was scattered abroad, and was not even in the area when Christ was crucified.

You are referring to the nation of Israel AFTER their dispersion in 70 AD. "Not even in the area" is not supported by Scripture. Please note:

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:22,23)

 

[prove-all]

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory,
and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God,
and the promises;

God's heritage


Job 31:2 (KJV)
For what portion of God is there from above?
and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

Psalms 127:3 (KJV)
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord:
and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Psalms 33:12 (KJV)
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people
whom he hath chosen for [his own inheritance].

1 Kings 8:51 (KJV)
For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest
forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:

Psalms 74:2 (KJV)
Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine
inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.


Jacob


Deuteronomy 32:9 (KJV)
For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

Psalms 94:14 (KJV)
For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Ezekiel 22:16 (KJV)
And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen,
and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.


to Jacob for a law, to Israel for an everlasting covenant

1 Chronicles 16:17
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known
to their children:


Isaiah 42:24
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.

 

[prove-all]

The promise was made to the Seed of Abraham, not seeds.

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
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“And Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me
at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me, And said unto me,

Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will
make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy
seed after thee for an everlasting possession” (Genesis 48:2-4).

“And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were
born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into
Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine”


The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads;
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth” (verses 14-16).

“Joseph is a fruitful bough,even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches
[margin, daughters] run over the wall” (verse 22).


“[T]he Almighty … shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings
of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors
unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph,
and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren”(v 25-26).


In Genesis 48 Jacob first passed the birthright on to the two sons of Joseph jointly,
speaking of them both together. Then he spoke of them separately—Manasseh
was to become the single great nation; Ephraim, the company of nations.

The promise of a future great nation and a company of nations, together great for
multitude, rich in national material prosperity,fruits of the ground, possessing the
“gates” of the Earth’s other nations,spread north south east and west , applies to
these lads and the two tribes which sprang from them.


Nothing at all about the septer promise of [the one seed] or grace,
but only physical nations and multitudes in the midst of earth

 

[OneFaith]

I was wondering what members of the forum thought about this issue? I believe that people of the Judaic faith tradition are still God's chosen people who were chosen to reveal salvation history, and fulfill it, since once God gives a decree, it can not be recalled. Mary and Joseph were both born of Jewish heritage to King David, and Jesus is also a son of David, as well as the Son of God as well as the Jewish Messiah, for those of us who are re-born into the New Covenant through faith.

Many people do not understand that it was not the Jewish people as a whole who rejected Jesus as Messiah, but, only many of the Israeli leaders at that time, who rejected both Jesus and John the Baptist, and tried to silence the early Christians. Some of the leaders of the Judaic heritage defended Jesus and it was a mob-mentality, fueled by religious legalistic strongholds, that were obsessed with silencing Him.

I think most, if not all of the disciples were Jewish, and so was the Apostle Paul, a former Pharisee. Luke was Greek I think?
So, Christians and Jews should learn to appreciate our common heritage.
It was not the Jews alone who crucified Jesus, but, everyone there--
and they represent all of us...
We are called to forgive all people equally, as we are ourselves forgiven through Jesus in the New Covenant.
The Apostle Paul is the most dramatic and powerful example of a Jewish Pharisee whose life was totally and dramatically transformed by turning to the Lord as the Christian Messiah.

In John chapter one you will find where Christ came to His own people and His own people received Him not and crucified Him. Because of this God took away their birthright. They are no longer God's people just because of physicality. God switched to spiritual adoption of "whosoever will". It no longer matters what nationality, all Jew and Gentile alike must be baptised into Christ the Vine in order to be God's people today. Physically speaking, they are no different than any other nation.