Has the Abrahamic Covenant been totally fulfilled?

[Nehemiah6]

The Abrahamic Covenant – the covenant which God made with Abraham, and confirmed to Isaac, and Jacob – is generally not understood properly by Christians. Some believe that is has already been fulfilled, and has no bearing on things eternal. But that is not really true. There are some aspects of this covenant which will only be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.

Abraham’s “seed” is mentioned several times in this covenant, and unless we rightly divide the Word of God, it would appear that it means the same thing every time. But as a matter of fact it has three applications: (1) Christ Himself as “the son” and “seed” (descendant) of Abraham, (2) all genuine believers, whether Jew or Gentile, and (3) redeemed and restored or “believing” Israel, living in greater Israel after the Second Coming of Christ. Replacement Theology refuses to accept the last application.

CHRIST AS THE “SEED” OF ABRAHAM -- FULFILLED
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal 3:13-16)

CHRISTIANS AS THE “CHILDREN” OF ABRAHAM – BEING FULFILLED
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham... Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. (Gal 3:7-9; 4:28-31)

REDEEMED AND RESTORED ISRAEL – TO BE FULFILLED
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God... But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (Gen 17:7,8,21)

And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother. And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham. (Gen 28:1-4)

And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (Gen 28:10-14)

Israel was driven out of Palestine in AD 70 under God's judgment, and much later the unbelieving secular Zionist nation-state of Israel was established in 1948. But received only a fraction of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. The “time of Jacob’s trouble” is in the future, after which will be the Second Coming of Christ. It is only then that the surviving Jews will receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and “all Israel shall be saved”. Following which Christ will establish His millennial Kingdom, and during that time Israel will occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates, as stated in the Abrahamic Covenant. But -- since it is an everlasting covenant -- it will also continue beyond that.

 

[Ariel82]

One Seed....unless you are in Christ, you have no part in the Abrahamic covenant....no matter how many times folks will try and make it say "seeds" the promise was given only to One Seed, Christ Jesus.

When Jesus returns the Old heaven and Earth will be destroyed and replaced with the New.

 

[Nehemiah6]

One Seed....unless you are in Christ, you have no part in the Abrahamic covenant....no matter how many times folks will try and make it say "seeds" the promise was given only to One Seed, Christ Jesus.

Why don't you try to HONESTLY interpret this for us?

And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God...

 

[Deade]

There are two parts to the covenant made with Abraham. One is spiritual and one is physical. We all know of the spiritual part which is the church of Christ, the called. The physical part is for Israel and it has to do with the promised land. But get it out of your head that God is talking about Judah. God speaks differently of Judah and Israel.

We may not know where Israel is, but God does. The nation that calls itself Israel is not Israel. The nation should be called Judah, and it is not even a kingdom. Open your eyes Israel is not back yet.

 

[KJV1611]

REDEEMED AND RESTORED ISRAEL – TO BE FULFILLED
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God... But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (Gen 17:7,8,21)

Was the covenant established with Isaac because of his fleshly heritage or because of his spiritual heritage?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why don't you try to HONESTLY interpret this for us?

And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God...

That's a different covenant than the one mentioned in Genesis 15 where GOD promised to give the land to Christ. Nowhere did GOD ever give the land to Abraham's descendants apart from the condition to obey his voice. If they obeyed they could stay in the land, if not, bye bye.

 

[garee]

There are many who are making certain claims concerning God's promise to Abraham as it relates to modern Israel today. And because they are not reading the whole Bible as itwould seem easily... it is possible to arrive at conclusions that are very muchcontrary to the Word of God.

There are two kinds ofpromises, involving two kinds of seeds, one in respect to the temporal as that seen, and another in respectthe eternal faith principle, not seen.

Remember the firstcentury reformation came when Christ said it is finished. The temporal use of Jewishflesh in parables has come to an end. It is still the time of Jacob’s trouble no outward representation. We are no longer to look for fruit coming from theFig tree just leaves to represent the healing of all the nations. Today Godputs no difference between the flesh of a Jew and Gentile, purifying the hearts of both by a work of his faith

The promise was given to Abraham that he wouldbe given the land of Canaan, that his temporal seed would inherit the land of Canaan, and that this promise of the inheritance of the physical land temporal of Canaan was completely fulfilled during the days of Solomon. In Nehemiah 9:7 - 8God speaks there of His promise to Abraham that the land of the Perizzite, theAmorite, the Canaanite, and so on, was to be given to his seed. And God was faithful. They did receive that land.

And we know from the language in IKings 4 that this gained its fullest fulfillment during the days of Solomon. Soin so much as the physical land of Canaan, there is no longer any part of thatpromise that must be fulfilled.

Abraham had purchased burial land outside of the promised land in respect to the eternal promise to typifythe new heavenly Jerusalem

Now this is a shocking idea to many, who have been taught that there still must be some kind of apromise fulfilled. But if we're going to let the Bible speak to us, if we'regoing to let the Bible be the authority, then we must conclude that there is nofurther implication in so much as this promise is concerned concerning the literalland of Canaan.

But remember that there was aneternal phase of this promise to Abraham, namely, that he would be given this land as an everlasting possession. Now the moment you find this phrase"everlasting" or "eternally" or "forever" in theBible, you can know immediately that it is not talking about something that is related to this corrupted earth, nor is it related to a political kingdom.

This sin-cursed earth is going to be destroyed by fire, and it will be recreated NewHeavens and a New Earth. And so when God spoke to Abraham about the land beingan everlasting possession, God had in view something other than the literal land of Canaan. And we saw that Abraham understood this. He immediately applied a spiritual understanding to that promise, and recognized that God was nottalking about the literal land or the literal flesh of a Jew. Christ said His flesh profits for nothing giving us the spiritual.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That's a different covenant than the one mentioned in Genesis 15 where GOD promised to give the land to Christ. Nowhere did GOD ever give the land to Abraham's descendants apart from the condition to obey his voice. If they obeyed they could stay in the land, if not, bye bye.

Kindly study this matter carefully and properly. The Abrahamic Covenant is ONE COVENANT, with multiple clauses. The same covenant is REITERATED to Isaac and Jacob. And it is an UNCONDITIONAL covenant.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Kindly study this matter carefully and properly. The Abrahamic Covenant is ONE COVENANT, with multiple clauses. The same covenant is REITERATED to Isaac and Jacob. And it is an UNCONDITIONAL covenant.

That's not the way I read it. Genesis 15 was a blood covenant that promised the land to Christ. Genesis 17 was the covenant of circumcision.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:5-9, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever. He has shown His people the power of His works, To give to them the inheritance of the nations. The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness. He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

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[Nehemiah6]

That's not the way I read it. Genesis 15 was a blood covenant that promised the land to Christ. Genesis 17 was the covenant of circumcision.

It is all ONE covenant with different clauses. So we can examine it in more detail and confirm this.

 

[Noose]

Israel in the old covenant, were a prophesy which is fulfilled in the in the new covenant by the church through Christ- nothing more, nothing less. In the new covenant, there's no Jew or gentile, just believers and that is so till the end of the age.

The whole of Romans is dedicated to this topic and Paul has clarified this issue- he explains what the promise means but people still want it to mean what they think it means.
There's no way Paul would write to Romans, telling them how tribal Jews are the chosen ones- of what benefit would this be to Romans? in fact, it would push away the gentiles/Romans.
Paul was encouraging the Romans, explaining to them how they are the 'real Jews' based on the Abrahamic promise because of their belief.

Going back to the promise itself, there's little indication that the seed would also apply to the church. So if it were a stand alone (without the NT), we would all be agreeing that it was almost certain that it was meant for tribal Jews only- But in the NT, we see an explanation of the promise, in this explanation, it is very clear that the promise was the church and there's very little indication that it meant tribal Jews.
So, the people coming up with hybridized explanation are just wrong. The church is Israel/Jews because they have believed, anyone who doesn't believe are a synagogue of satan.

Rev 3:9Look atthose who belong to the synagogue of Satan, whoclaim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will makethem come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Rev 2:9 I know your affliction and your poverty--though you are rich! And I am aware of the slander of those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan.

 

[graceNpeace]

Israel in the old covenant, were a prophesy which is fulfilled in the in the new covenant by the church through Christ- nothing more, nothing less. In the new covenant, there's no Jew or gentile, just believers and that is so till the end of the age.

The whole of Romans is dedicated to this topic and Paul has clarified this issue- he explains what the promise means but people still want it to mean what they think it means.
There's no way Paul would write to Romans, telling them how tribal Jews are the chosen ones- of what benefit would this be to Romans? in fact, it would push away the gentiles/Romans.
Paul was encouraging the Romans, explaining to them how they are the 'real Jews' based on the Abrahamic promise because of their belief.

Going back to the promise itself, there's little indication that the seed would also apply to the church. So if it were a stand alone (without the NT), we would all be agreeing that it was almost certain that it was meant for tribal Jews only- But in the NT, we see an explanation of the promise, in this explanation, it is very clear that the promise was the church and there's very little indication that it meant tribal Jews.
So, the people coming up with hybridized explanation are just wrong. The church is Israel/Jews because they have believed, anyone who doesn't believe are a synagogue of satan.

Rev 3:9Look atthose who belong to the synagogue of Satan, whoclaim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will makethem come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Rev 2:9 I know your affliction and your poverty--though you are rich! And I am aware of the slander of those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan.

I think you need to review your understanding...

What you have articulated is called "Replacement theology" and it basically says that, in the New covenant, all of the promises to Israel are now those of the church.
This is plain wrong!
And, in fact, the terms of the Abrahamic covenant spell this out, not to mention countless prophecies that make Israel part of God's plan going forward.

The Jews themselves seem to have forgotten that the all mankind was to be blessed through the Abrahamic covenant while many Christians have forgotten that the Abrahamic covenant specifically mentions what would be the Israel and the Jewish nation as beneficiaries!

The Abrahamic covenant is an unconditional covenant (very different to the terms of the Sinaitic covenant) and so is not changed by our, individual or collective, response to it. In reality, the promises made to Israel in this covenant are yet to be realised - they will be fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the future...

 

[Noose]

I think you need to review your understanding...

What you have articulated is called "Replacement theology" and it basically says that, in the New covenant, all of the promises to Israel are now those of the church.
This is plain wrong!
And, in fact, the terms of the Abrahamic covenant spell this out, not to mention countless prophecies that make Israel part of God's plan going forward.

The Jews themselves seem to have forgotten that the all mankind was to be blessed through the Abrahamic covenant while many Christians have forgotten that the Abrahamic covenant specifically mentions what would be the Israel and the Jewish nation as beneficiaries!

The Abrahamic covenant is an unconditional covenant (very different to the terms of the Sinaitic covenant) and so is not changed by our, individual or collective, response to it. In reality, the promises made to Israel in this covenant are yet to be realised - they will be fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the future...

Nice try, now go read Romans, it explains this very thing.

But i'll bring your attention:
Rev 3:9 Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Rom 2:28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward andphysical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

Why would God claim that there are 'real Jews' and fake Jews. What exactly does He mean?

 

[graceNpeace]

Nice try, now go read Romans, it explains this very thing.

But i'll bring your attention:
Rev 3:9 Look at those who belong to the synagogueof Satan,whoclaimto beJewsbutareliarsinstead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Rom 2:28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward andphysical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

Why would God claim that there are 'real Jews' and fake Jews. What exactly does He mean?

Only you know why you have asked this question???
Neither of those two texts prove in any way that Israel has no future in the plan of God.

All Romans 2:28 demonstrates is a partial fulfilment of the Abrahamic covenant in that Gentiles now stand equal with Jews before God - not that God has abandoned Israel.

Rev 3:9 appears to refer to people who are NOT Jews but claim to be...

 

[Noose]

Only you know why you have asked this question???
Neither of those two texts prove in any way that Israel has no future in the plan of God.

All Romans 2:28 demonstrates is a partial fulfilment of the Abrahamic covenant in that Gentiles now stand equal with Jews before God - not that God has abandoned Israel.

Rev 3:9 appears to refer to people who are NOT Jews but claim to be...

Rom 2:28 doesn't describe people who have an equal standing to tribal Jews, it describes who a Jew is in the eyes of God.

Rev 3:9 - why would any one claim to be a Jew when they are not?

 

[graceNpeace]

Rom 2:28 doesn't describe people who have an equal standing to tribal Jews, it describes who a Jew is in the eyes of God.

Rev 3:9 - why would any one claim to be a Jew when they are not?

Rom 2:28 try reading around this (I don't have an argument with what you have said above...
Rev 3:9, haven't the faintest idea why anyone would claim to be a Jew when they are not...perhaps its a reference to all the Hebrew Roots nut-jobs that seem so prevalent on this forum.

Either way I don't think that these texts show Israel is excluded from the plans of God...

 

[Noose]

Rom 2:28 try reading around this (I don't have an argument with what you have said above...
Rev 3:9, haven't the faintest idea why anyone would claim to be a Jew when they are not...perhaps its a reference to all the Hebrew Roots nut-jobs that seem so prevalent on this forum.

Either way I don't think that these texts show Israel is excluded from the plans of God...

Well, you don't have a clue because you chose to believe the word Jews means tribal Jews and the text (Rev 3:9) demonstrates clearly that Jews are not tribal Jews- because, most of you like quoting Romans 11:26 (all Israel will be saved) to support claims that God has a future plan for the tribal Jews in the very end, but Rev is about end times and we see God call some people 'real Jews' and others a synagogue of satan- so to Him (God), not all tribal Jews are going to be saved.

It is therefore ok to conclude that being a Jew as referred in Revelation means to be a believer; many who think are believers are actually not, they are a synagogue of satan. This view is supported by:

Matt 7:21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who doesthe will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

 

[garee]

Rom 2:28 try reading around this (I don't have an argument with what you have said above...
Rev 3:9, haven't the faintest idea why anyone would claim to be a Jew when they are not...perhaps its a reference to all the Hebrew Roots nut-jobs that seem so prevalent on this forum.

Either way I don't think that these texts show Israel is excluded from the plans of God...

Which Israel is excluded from the plan seeing all Israelis not born again Israel? The veil is rent. The reformation has come. Jewishflesh used as a shadow in parables concerning ceremonial laws had come to anend.

Romans 2:29 (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is oneoutwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:29 Buthe is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, inthe spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Above is the spiritual understanding of a born again believer called a Jew

The word Jew was never intended to represent one outwardly as in natural man separated from God. It’s just like the Israel… not all Israel is born again Israel.

Israel a word when defined that means he who wrestles with God and man and overcomes. It has nothing to do with natural man from any nation. A man must be born again and that includes an outward Jew

Romans9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

God is further defining the word Jew as to how he decides to use it.

Those in Revelation were hoping their Jewish flesh made them an inward Jew as being born again. A born again Gentile fills that requirement having the Spirit of Christ in them. They could be called a Jew.

Remember its God who defines words.

He is speaking to new creatures because the time of reformation had come.

Galatians3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, thereis neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The new name He named His chaste virgin bride the church, is Christian. It represents an inward Jew. Its never about the flesh .Even the Son of man of his own flesh informs us.. it profited for nothing.

God not seen, is not a man as us, seen. He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end of it. Some did know Christ the Holy Spirt of God according to the temporal demonstration of a spiritual work .But he informs us we do not know him than ever again.







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