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2 corinthians 13:1 "....In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established".

The Angel Gabriel.


luke 1 " And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."


The witness of the Father in Heaven , at Jesus Baptism.

matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.




Jesus transfigured , God speaks witnessed by Peter , james, John, Elijah, Moses....

mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. "

peters confirmation that Gods voice spoke this of Jesus ...His eye witness account.

2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount"


Peters witness which Jesus says, it is blessed and comes from God and Not men.

matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"

the entire purpose of what John wrote down in His gospel

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."


Pauls witness ....

2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Galatians 4 " 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,


5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. "


marthas witness..

john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

The ethiopien asking if He may be baptized....

acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."


the Man Jesus Healed who was born Blind.


john 9 " Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him."

matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."


confirmed further in hebrews to be the only begotten Son God sent into the world


Hebrews 1:6 " And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."


1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."




Jesus witness according to Marks Gospel


mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"


John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."

the psalms witness beforehand ......psalms 89 ....He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."

john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


John 4 " But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: ( says Jesus who is come in the flesh and Blood) and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

the witness of the holy spirit, and the resurrection according to paul

romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, ...v3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"

the witness of the spirit according to John

1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."

1 John 4:12-15 "No man hath seen God at any time. ( says John who walked with Jesus) If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."






john 3:16-18 " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

acts 3 " The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
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And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities



God sent Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son, to Be the Savior. " Israel Has No savior But God"....true, God saved ...By sending His Son to save us. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, its the Gospel, God Loved us so Much He sent Hos Son, to Make Many children in His Image God bless

 

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God sent Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son, to Be the Savior...

It s good to see that you mentioned "Only Begotten". Modern versions omit "begotten" and thereby change doctrine. "Only begotten" is correctly translated from the Greek monogenes which means UNIQUELY BEGOTTEN. This means that we are not to compare the "begetting" of the eternal Word of God with human reproduction, which requires a father and a mother. God the Father has an ETERNAL Father-Son relationship with God the Word (Jesus). Jesus is NOT "the only Son" since angels and humans are also called "sons of God". But He is definitely "the only begotten Son" since He is God.
" Israel Has No savior But God"....

This is also true when we recognize that Jesus Himself is God. There are many today who say that they believe that Jesus is the Son of God but that does not mean that He is God. And that is false. Jesus is God the Word manifest in the flesh (having taken on a human body).
 
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Matt 27:54

Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
 
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It s good to see that you mentioned "Only Begotten". Modern versions omit "begotten" and thereby change doctrine. "Only begotten" is correctly translated from the Greek monogenes which means UNIQUELY BEGOTTEN. This means that we are not to compare the "begetting" of the eternal Word of God with human reproduction, which requires a father and a mother. God the Father has an ETERNAL Father-Son relationship with God the Word (Jesus). Jesus is NOT "the only Son" since angels and humans are also called "sons of God". But He is definitely "the only begotten Son" since He is God.
This is also true when we recognize that Jesus Himself is God. There are many today who say that they believe that Jesus is the Son of God but that does not mean that He is God. And that is false. Jesus is God the Word manifest in the flesh (having taken on a human body).




:) Jesus is the Son of God, thats what we all Need to realize. Literally, God is the Father of Jesus. the Holy ghost Fathered Him. Just Like when a man, has a son. the life inside the Man, goes out of Himself, and in the womb, Becomes the Son. technically, the son is made of the Father Himself. thats true of any Son, any Begotten Son.


Begotten" regarding Jesus Means exactly that .

Jesus Has No earthly Father, that is Not true of any of us. God said to Mary through Gabriel " you will conceive and Have a son, He will be called Son of the Most High..." that is God concieving Jesus in Marys womb, it is How God always Brings forth, He says it, as soon as Mary says " Let it Be done to me according to thy Word..Jesus is conceived. By the power of the Holy Ghost.


Jesus is the Son, the Only Begotten Son of God. Literally, we all Have biological fathers...Jesus does Not, His Father is God. therefore......sure the Son of God, is the seed Of God. thats what a Son is He is of the Father. Jesus is the Only Man ever Fathered By God in the flesh.
 
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Heres what I mean, God is Literally the Father of Jesus the Christ.

Matthew 1 " Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."


Jesus the Christ, is Unique among all the Sons of men, Joseph did Not lay with Mary, she was concieved of the Holy ghost , God who is spirit, the God who spoke and creation Became, Fathered Jesus. He of course is spirit and His work is done By His words so.... Heres the rest of the picture

Luke 1 " And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37For with God nothing shall be impossible. 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."


Jesus is the " Word" of God Made flesh, His glory is the Begotten Son, the Only.

you literally see the conception. God sends the Word to Mary, the virgin Before she has even lain with a Man. " You will concieve and Have a Son, call His Name Jesus, He shall Be called the son of God......Mary asks " How can this Be since ive never Lain with a Man?" " The Holy Ghost will come upon you, and you will concieve....He shall be called son of the Highest"

Mary then accepts the Word of God, with Faith " Let it Be done to Me according to your Word" and the angel then departs, as soon as she accepts the Word, Jesus is concieved. it is How God does what He does. there is darnkess He says " Let there Be Light, and Light shones out of darkness"

it is Because His Word, is full of the Holy spirit, that Creates.

Gnesis 1 " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. "


john 1" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

" all things Made By Him. ...God said, Let there be light: and there was light. "

Genesis 1:26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion.......over all the earth.."

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. .....v17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."


john 1: That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Romans 8:29 "
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Psalm 89:27 " Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth."

colossians 1:15 " The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."


genesis 1:27 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful......

2 corinthians 4" In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."


2 corinthians 3 "
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

Hebrews 2 " But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

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For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

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Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."

Hebrews 4 " Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

John 14 "
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


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These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."


God is Spirit, through Christ we are Born of the spirit, thus Children of God, Born of His Will. Christ, is the Only Begotten Because we all have biological fathers, Jesus biological Father is the Holy Ghost


 

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I agree with all the posts so far....but can we define this a little further ?
Jesus had a 'dual nature....He was Man and He was/is God .
The way I understand : as a Man/Human Jesus was/is the SON of God but IN SPIRIT He was/is GOD....because He and His Father are One Spirit, One God !
 
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Jesus the Son of God.

Before we dig profoundly the topic above, we need to know first that; The realm in which we live is a temporal realm, it means that this realm has a period of its existence at a time when it is surpassed that it must no longer exist in its place.
Almighty God is an immortal being unlimited by the dimension of space and time, and He is also the alpha and omega, meaning that even if the earth we live in has been over God still remains.

If the earth we live in is a temporary realm, then the creatures that exist on this earth are also temporary (only when this temporal existence exists), if God is eternal then the man He created living on this earth also is not for His ultimate purpose but only for a while wandering or sojourning then surely move to the eternal world (where God is), But how could this temporal being be in eternal realm that is not bounded by space and time limitation?, surely they not fit to live in this eternal realm?. The conclusion is the spirit of man that will come eternally and this human spirit surely is not a natural product of this perishable realm , means that the human spirit must be the eternal realm product which was placed by God to exist in the physical body of man to temporarily wander / sojourn in This perishable earth for a particular purpose of God which had been planned since before this perishable world was formed.
Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Ecc12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

Jer1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

Then what is His particular purpose for His people while sojourning this perishable earth?
If we learn from the Bible that eternal realm is not limited by time, it means that whenever its existence will remain flat its graph / no change / its inhabitant does not get older or more and more or more clever or more stupid / steady, but not for this perishable realm there is born there is dead there is young there is old there is clever there is fool, so His particular purpose for His people while sojourning in this perishable earth is Growth for growth is not exist in eternal realm.

Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope

1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Heb5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat

2Pet3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen

If God's particular purpose for His people is growth (obviously, the man initially did not know the difference between good and evil), then what is God's ultimate goal for His creation?
Glorifying God: the human mouth and heart say that "glory is for God alone".

Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him

Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

If the ultimate goal (glorifying God) can be achieved simply without passing into the perishable realm, God surely chose this simplest way, but it turn out that sojourning through this perishable realm is the only way that the ultimate goal can be reached.

For man can glorify God, man must come to understand that the salvation (living in eternal realm with God) is the grace of God alone.
Salvation= grace of God alone, then the men must understand and agree that they will never be able to achieve the salvation through their own efforts what ever those sound good.

Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away

Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us


Then start gradually God teaches His people through His word which is recorded from Genesis to Revelation, and His people verify theirselves.

First; In the premise of "Salvation = the grace of God alone" there must be the Chosen people which means the spiritual beings who were sent by God from the eternal Realm to the perishable realm while it is in the process of development / purification until finally win / understood, or only those whose names were written in the book of life Since before the creation of the world, or surely the devil can not participate even though he also exists in the temporal realm and also dwells in the natural human body /born of flesh / earth dust Gen3: 14, then here appears It is clear that there is a difference between those who are the chosen people, and those who are born of flesh where these very people are possible to become the camp of the devil …. So ----- > the chosen = born of God (in the physical body there is a human spirit which God sent to wander/sojourn On earth), relating to this then God is the Father of this chosen people, there is also the man of the world = the dust = born of flesh = possible to be the devil's camp= possible the devil surely will be the father of these men (John 8:44).

Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So it is clear: in order to His people/the chosen understood that "salvation = the grace of God alone" so; God must introduce Himself as the Father of His people/ God the father.

Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.



It must also be taught to them/His people/the chosen that while they are sojourning/wandering in this perishable earth they surely will be kept by God Himself as a guide, entertainer, helper, that they surely will not be a meal of the devil, here: God must introduce Himself as the Holy Spirit.

Luke11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first

Isa44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

Isa51:12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;


Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:
46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you






Finally His people also should be compelled to witnessing the manifestation of the God Grace that was demonstrated by the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir through crucifixion and resurrection ( cause naturally they will never grasp and admit about it), where in the OT also had been revealed well that the savoir is only God Himself, the redeemer is only God Himself ( Isa 49:26 , Isa 43:11, Isa 47:4) , so relating to this event : God must introduce Himself as God the Son.

Hence until here it is clear that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are the identities of God Himself so that His people who were sent to sojourn to this perishable realm "well understood " that Salvation = only by God's Grace.


Without these introductions ( God as God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, God the Son ) Men will never be able to understand that “the Salvation = By God’s Grace alone “

Additions ; If God did not create men in this perishable realm, then there must have been an eternal realm whose inhabitants were God, angels and demons (the spirits), where the angel had no gender, should God introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to the angels? Of course not because the terms are very strange to them who is genderless, not able to multiply, and who cannot interchange his position (from devil to faithful angel vice versa).

Isa44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

So by this brief explanation hopefully gives a little bit clearer about Who God the Son really is . He is God Himself .
 

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:) Jesus is the Son of God, thats what we all Need to realize. Literally, God is the Father of Jesus. the Holy ghost Fathered Him. Just Like when a man, has a son. the life inside the Man, goes out of Himself, and in the womb, Becomes the Son. technically, the son is made of the Father Himself. thats true of any Son, any Begotten Son.


Begotten" regarding Jesus Means exactly that .

Jesus Has No earthly Father, that is Not true of any of us. God said to Mary through Gabriel " you will conceive and Have a son, He will be called Son of the Most High..." that is God concieving Jesus in Marys womb, it is How God always Brings forth, He says it, as soon as Mary says " Let it Be done to me according to thy Word..Jesus is conceived. By the power of the Holy Ghost.


Jesus is the Son, the Only Begotten Son of God. Literally, we all Have biological fathers...Jesus does Not, His Father is God. therefore......sure the Son of God, is the seed Of God. thats what a Son is He is of the Father. Jesus is the Only Man ever Fathered By God in the flesh.

You shall study Hebrew culture on what Father means and what Son means, just to get you started read II Kings 2, 4 and 6 and tell us if the sons of the prophets are Elijah and Elisha biological sons?

Did God really Father Light as James said in James 1:17?

The reason I ask is because Jesus did not need a Father and He Himself is called Father in Isaiah 9:6, it is not a trick question I'm just trying to help you understand Jewish culture, since the Bible is written from a near eastern cultural ideology.
 
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I agree with all the posts so far....but can we define this a little further ?
Jesus had a 'dual nature....He was Man and He was/is God .
The way I understand : as a Man/Human Jesus was/is the SON of God but IN SPIRIT He was/is GOD....because He and His Father are One Spirit, One God !

God is a Spirit. Jesus was Made of flesh and blood.....And the spirit of God.

Jesus is the Son of God....... that is the definition of who Jesus Christ is. God the Father was IN Jesus. One with Him.

There is a distinction between God the Father, and His Only Begotten Son.

We are Not the Brothers and sisters of God, there is No doctrine that says we are Gods Brethren, Jesus is the firstborn of Many brothers " God Has No Father, He has a Son. God has No God, Jesus His Son, Has Both a God, and a Father. sister Jesus promises you and I that the Holy spirit will come to Live in us, that if we acknowledge the Son of God, Jesus Christ. then God Lives in us.

Does that then Make us God also? Note that Jesus continually Makes the statement " Not Me, but my Father who sent Me" The words i sopeak are Not Mine, they belong to the Father who sent Me" .....Not me, but the Father who lives IN ME.

john 14:10 " Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."


Whatever is Born of Gods spirit, is One with God.


I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

john 14:20 " 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. "

when we receive the Holy spirit, One with God becomes something also true of you and I . that Means by the spirit we are of God also, we are in other words Children of God By the spirit...remembering God is a spirit. to Be one with God by spirit, does not Make us God, it makes us children of God, Brethren of Christ Jesus.

God the Father sent His Only begotten Son, that whosever Believeth in Him,"

i think "Son of God" sort of already makes the statement that God Fathered Him, which Means God is In Jesus. One with Him. as any Fathers Life is and will remain One with His Son. what happens when we receive the Holy Ghost and the epistles teach us " You are the Body of Christ, Gods spirit Lives in you" does it Mean we are God ? " I have been crucified with Christ and No longer Live christ in Me"...so does that Mean we are each God?

or Becoming One with Jesus the Son of God.......does that Make us each children of God with Gods spirit Living in us?

john 17 "
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
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And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."


Jesus is the Son of God, for christianity to make sense, He is the Son of God. Born of God, came out from God that will never change He will always be the Son of the Living God, God will always Be hius Father. Man has a son of a Man, God Has a Son of the Only God.....we are children because we Believe in the Son who came to us, in order to Bring us to the Father as Children One with Jesus his Only begotten Son, who is One with God.....Father, Son and the Holy ghost in you, by the Holy ghost we too are One with God through Christ Jesus, His Son. God is One.


 

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God is a Spirit. Jesus was Made of flesh and blood.....And the spirit of God.

Jesus is the Son of God....... that is the definition of who Jesus Christ is. God the Father was IN Jesus. One with Him.
Jesus is also defined as the Word of God made flesh. The Word that was with God from the beginning, through Whom all things were made, for Whom all things were made, to Whom all authority has been given... the Word also defined as being God as per John 1:1 and 14.
 
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You shall study Hebrew culture on what Father means and what Son means, just to get you started read II Kings 2, 4 and 6 and tell us if the sons of the prophets are Elijah and Elisha biological sons?

Did God really Father Light as James said in James 1:17?

The reason I ask is because Jesus did not need a Father and He Himself is called Father in Isaiah 9:6, it is not a trick question I'm just trying to help you understand Jewish culture, since the Bible is written from a near eastern cultural ideology.

so you are saying God is Not the Father of Jesus Christ? wow that sort of destroys the Whole concept of Christianity....i think i will stick with what The Bible teaches " That God sent His only Begotten Son, that whosoever Believes in Him shall have eternal Life" ill trust that God the Father who cannot Be seen, sent Jesus His Son, in the power of His Name, to offer eternal Life to those who believe in the Name of Gods Only begotten Son.

ill stay with simplicity that is repetetively written in the Word of God, God bless
 
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The Father/Son/Holy spirit are authorities of God and Jesus demonstrates all these authorities- that's why it is said "the fullness of deity dwells in Him..".

Jesus calls Himself Father:

Rev 21:7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. "


revelation 5 "
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
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And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."


the One who sits on the throne, is unseen glorious Light, Jesu is the Lamb who overcame and inherited all things. the Son of God. the Fact that God fathered Jesus Christ, is an iremovable concept in Christianity, its truth is the Means by which we are made Gods children. we are Not Gods brethren, we are Brethren to His Son, Jesus Christ. who Prays to the same God as you and I pray to.


 

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The reason I ask is because Jesus did not need a Father and He Himself is called Father in Isaiah 9:6...
Even though Jesus is called "the everlasting Father" there is absolutely no question that God the Father is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is repeated over and over again in the New Testament. In view of that we need to properly understand in what sense Christ is "the everlasting Father" (which we need not discuss at this point). And it is not for mere mortals to say whether or not Jesus "needed" a Father.
 

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You shall study Hebrew culture on what Father means and what Son means, just to get you started read II Kings 2, 4 and 6 and tell us if the sons of the prophets are Elijah and Elisha biological sons?

Did God really Father Light as James said in James 1:17?

The reason I ask is because Jesus did not need a Father and He Himself is called Father in Isaiah 9:6, it is not a trick question I'm just trying to help you understand Jewish culture, since the Bible is written from a near eastern cultural ideology.
We are to understand GOD...NOT jewish culture !

Did Jesus create Himself ? it is obvious from scripture that Jesus' Father was and is GOD...and thus Jesus will always be His Son ! Jesus is not the Father Himself but the 'express image of His Father !

An IMAGE is not the Original but a COPY or Likeness of the Original therefore there are still 2 Beings....Father AND Son....for OUR understanding now !

But IN SPIRIT they are ONE ! Joh 10v30....a 'state WE are in the process of growing into yet future in perfection. We are all on different 'levels of growth and need to be patient with each other !
 
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2 corinthians 13:1 "....In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established".

The Angel Gabriel.


luke 1 " And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."


The witness of the Father in Heaven , at Jesus Baptism.

matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.




Jesus transfigured , God speaks witnessed by Peter , james, John, Elijah, Moses....

mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. "

peters confirmation that Gods voice spoke this of Jesus ...His eye witness account.

2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount"


Peters witness which Jesus says, it is blessed and comes from God and Not men.

matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"

the entire purpose of what John wrote down in His gospel

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."


Pauls witness ....

2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Galatians 4 " 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,


5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. "


marthas witness..

john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

The ethiopien asking if He may be baptized....

acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."


the Man Jesus Healed who was born Blind.


john 9 " Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him."

matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."


confirmed further in hebrews to be the only begotten Son God sent into the world


Hebrews 1:6 " And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."


1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."




Jesus witness according to Marks Gospel


mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"


John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."

the psalms witness beforehand ......psalms 89 ....He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."

john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


John 4 " But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: ( says Jesus who is come in the flesh and Blood) and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

the witness of the holy spirit, and the resurrection according to paul

romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, ...v3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"

the witness of the spirit according to John

1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."

1 John 4:12-15 "No man hath seen God at any time. ( says John who walked with Jesus) If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."






john 3:16-18 " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

acts 3 " The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
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And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities



God sent Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son, to Be the Savior. " Israel Has No savior But God"....true, God saved ...By sending His Son to save us. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, its the Gospel, God Loved us so Much He sent Hos Son, to Make Many children in His Image God bless

Spreading your Arian heresy again, I see. :( :mad:
 

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We are to understand GOD...NOT jewish culture !

Did Jesus create Himself ? it is obvious from scripture that Jesus' Father was and is GOD...and thus Jesus will always be His Son ! Jesus is not the Father Himself but the 'express image of His Father !

An IMAGE is not the Original but a COPY or Likeness of the Original therefore there are still 2 Beings....Father AND Son....for OUR understanding now !

But IN SPIRIT they are ONE ! Joh 10v30....a 'state WE are in the process of growing into yet future in perfection. We are all on different 'levels of growth and need to be patient with each other !

Jesus is not a copy, He always was.


John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 
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It s good to see that you mentioned "Only Begotten". Modern versions omit "begotten" and thereby change doctrine. "Only begotten" is correctly translated from the Greek monogenes which means UNIQUELY BEGOTTEN. This means that we are not to compare the "begetting" of the eternal Word of God with human reproduction, which requires a father and a mother. God the Father has an ETERNAL Father-Son relationship with God the Word (Jesus). Jesus is NOT "the only Son" since angels and humans are also called "sons of God". But He is definitely "the only begotten Son" since He is God.
This is also true when we recognize that Jesus Himself is God. There are many today who say that they believe that Jesus is the Son of God but that does not mean that He is God. And that is false. Jesus is God the Word manifest in the flesh (having taken on a human body).



The Word Manifest in the flesh, is the Son of God. its what the entire Bible is about My Friend. I have never said " Jesus is Not God" I have Now and always will remain Jesus is the Son of God, He came out from God, God Sent His Only Son. that is different from " God came" when a person removes " God sent His Only Son" they are Missing That it is the Humanity of Jesus, that Makes Him different From God, God is Not a Man, The Only Man, God will ever Father, is Jesus Christ.


for anyone to then Jesus is Man , and God. the Mediation Of Man, and God. Christ is where Man Meets God, where they are One. God is the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it is the Will of God, that His Only Begotten Son, Be exalted. its really simple why is it so difficult for us to accept a witness such as John, or peter, or Paul ?

1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."


I personaly think that alot of folks really Have it wrong, the eternal Life is always attatched to the Son of God, the One God sent, the Son whom He gave all thing to, who He called to sit down at His right Hand.

theres no place where anyone in the nt teaches that " Jesus is God" it Never does, it always teaches God sent His son, look at How Many examples are in Just the Op, i Know there are as Many again just as Clear that say the exact same thing. John 3:16 " God sent His Only Begotten Son, Jesus of Nazareth. The Messiah, the " Annointed One" Promised and promised again over and over in the prophets. were do not Have to look at say Peter or Johns interpretations and then interpret them any further, those are the things were supposed to Believe.

The Gospel is the God almighty, sent Hos Son, Glorified His Son, Jesus and Made Him Lord and Christ, <<< that is Not My theory Look at Peter what He is saying, its an explanation Not a riddle Like the ot.

acts 2 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.25For David speaketh concerning him......

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear....

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

I can see a Bunch of people from this site then explaining to Peter, Jesus is God...Jesus is God, if He is Not God then were Not forgiven...or any Number of things People say. Yet Here is the Apostle Peter, Just filled with the Promise of the Holy Ghost Jesus Made to them in John 14-16, Just received the spirit of God, and He is explaining this..He then Goes further

acts 3 " The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

the Name Jesus of Nazareth is the Name peter uses to give the Man healing, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. God has glorified, exalted Jesus Christ to sit at His right Hand, He has shed the holy ghost into the earth that all who believe may receive Him and Be the children of God...


you see i dont get why we dont Just accept thier version of the gospel..Paul teaches the same things all of the Holy Bible, is about God and Man, coming together at Christ. He is the Son of God, God is the Father, He is indeed Greater than Jesus the Son. Jesus says it. God says Clearly this is My Son, whoever wants eternal Life...accoept Him, whatever My Son says, Goes. He has My authority over all mankind " Kiss the Son lest He be angry and His wrath is kindled but a little"


the message is about Jesus Christ, the Son of God. sure, He came out from God, is Part of God , placed in the flesh of a woman, He is Both the Son of God, and He is One of us, He is a son of Man, the Son of Man. God is Not a Man, Jesus Christ His Son is a Man, infact all of His children are Men, Mankind are the children. was Jesus before all things yes, He was in God, He came Out from the eternal God, always was, He came to us became One of Us and always will be. and He then Returned to the presence of God, a Man, Glorified in the presence of God Jesus the Son of God is the Whole plan, God sent His Son, the inheritance is for the Son of God.

 

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And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. "


revelation 5 "
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
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And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."


the One who sits on the throne, is unseen glorious Light, Jesu is the Lamb who overcame and inherited all things. the Son of God. the Fact that God fathered Jesus Christ, is an iremovable concept in Christianity, its truth is the Means by which we are made Gods children. we are Not Gods brethren, we are Brethren to His Son, Jesus Christ. who Prays to the same God as you and I pray to.


Rev 3:21To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

If the Father (and not Jesus) is the one speaking in Rev 21, then Rev 1 won't make any sense:

Rev 1:
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which Godgave Him to show His servants what must sooncome to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

How did the Father send Jesus only to come and deliver the message Himself?
The Father and the son are one , repeat after me.
 
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