10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

joaniemarie · Apr 22, 2018

Me too! I have many years of "crying a river" based on what I thought God was doing in my life only to find years down the road God had nothing to do with it. Today., most of my prayers are ones of thankfulness to God and what He has done through Jesus for me. Making it my goal to learn more and more about Jesus and who I am now in Him. That is totally different than the way I used to pray and live the Christian life.

I was soooo sincere those years ago but soooooooooo sincerely WRONG. And the Holy Spirit was disregarded by me because I thought He was telling me what my emotions were telling me. I couldn't figure out why nothing was working in life when I was doing what the Bible said and what I had learned. It's about the hidden man of the heart... it's about an inward change that effects the outward. We can't change our outside hoping the inside will be effected.

What most Christians don't realize is we cannot prop up our old flesh and just be a better version of ourselves. No., we are totally NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST. Learning about our spirit man and how to relate to the Holy Spirit through the spirit. We can't relate to the Spirit by our flesh (our old manner of life) What we are called to do is SEE JESUS and then we will see who we are IN Him.

It always goes back to Jesus where the answers are found, where the love and truth is found. The Bible reveals Jesus and the Holy Spirit points to Jesus.

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

Can you elaborate a bit more, I am not going to debate or even discuss it further I just want to understand your view?

I am well aware of how Gnotiscism (esoteric knowledge) has permeated Christianity over the years.

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

^^^^^^^^^

That is the key right there.

joaniemarie said:

Me too! I have many years of "crying a river" based on what I thought God was doing in my life only to find years down the road God had nothing to do with it. Today., most of my prayers are ones of thankfulness to God and what He has done through Jesus for me. Making it my goal to learn more and more about Jesus and who I am now in Him. That is totally different than the way I used to pray and live the Christian life.

I was soooo sincere those years ago but soooooooooo sincerely WRONG. And the Holy Spirit was disregarded by me because I thought He was telling me what my emotions were telling me. I couldn't figure out why nothing was working in life when I was doing what the Bible said and what I had learned. It's about the hidden man of the heart... it's about an inward change that effects the outward. We can't change our outside hoping the inside will be effected.

What most Christians don't realize is we cannot prop up our old flesh and just be a better version of ourselves. No., we are totally NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST. Learning about our spirit man and how to relate to the Holy Spirit through the spirit. We can't relate to the Spirit by our flesh (our old manner of life) What we are called to do is SEE JESUS and then we will see who we are IN Him.

It always goes back to Jesus where the answers are found, where the love and truth is found. The Bible reveals Jesus and the Holy Spirit points to Jesus.

joaniemarie · Apr 22, 2018

UnderGrace said:

And yet that is what most Christians think God wants. As if our fighting and wrestling the flesh is even possible. Yet many of us are fooled into thinking the "good fight of faith" is being mizerable as we fight the flesh and try to make it bend to our will. Many religious people are so frustrated they can't stand living.

The flesh can't fight the flesh that is something unsaved people do all the time and it's man made religion and man made morality and beating the flesh *** touch not taste not handle not. What it becomes is a life of rules and regulations to keep the flesh at bay. But walking in the spirit is walking OUT what Jesus has created IN us. When we begin doing that., the flesh is not going to control us., we will control it.

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

Amen and Amen !!!

joaniemarie said:

And yet that is what most Christians think God wants. As if our fighting and wrestling the flesh is even possible. Yet many of us are fooled into thinking the "good fight of faith" is being mizerable as we fight the flesh and try to make it bend to our will.

The flesh can't fight the flesh that is something unsaved people do all the time and it's man made religion and man made morality and beating the flesh *** touch not taste not handle not. What it becomes is a life of rules and regulations to keep the flesh at bay. But walking in the spirit is walking OUT what Jesus has created IN us. When we begin doing that., the flesh is not going to control us., we will control it.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Apr 22, 2018

UnderGrace said:

Were you aware that the book you recommended everyone read is permeated with gnosticism?

joaniemarie · Apr 22, 2018

UnderGrace said:

AMEN AND AMEN THIS IS WHY WE COME TO CC.. TALK ABOUT JESUS!!! AND LEARN TOGETHER and FELLOWSHIP AND PRAISE THE LORD FOR ALL HE HAS DONE AND IS DOING AND WILL DO. AMEN!

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

In your view of the intersection of Gnosticism and Christianity somewhat, which I wish you would elaborate on

I also know there is an overlap in the use of words just like how Calvin used "illumination"

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

HeRoseFromTheDead · Apr 22, 2018

UnderGrace said:

I'm not really interested in elaborating on it. Gnosticism originally was a Christian heresy. Except in elemental forms here and there, it really didn't exist prior to that.

joaniemarie · Apr 22, 2018

Re: What does it mean to "abide" in Christ? (John 15:1-8)

Originally Posted by simplifiedtruth

Metanoia and Metanoeo are two different words, check the definition of Metanoia in Matthew 3:8. Also, obviously these two words are related to each-other when it comes to the the message of repenting. It is based on reversal of your decision about sinning, which means to stop sinning. Also consider John 8:11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

One word is simply the noun and the other is the verb of the exact same meaning. The word itself has no reference to sinning within itself. That is a religious connotation put on the word from our church upbringing.

However "stop sinning" can be a fruit of having already repented ( changed your mind to trust in the gospel which is Christ )

The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind ". In Jesus and Paul's day the word would be used in a sentence like this. " I was going to the synagogue but I metanoia (changed my mind ) and went to the market.

There are "fruits" of repentance ( changing the mind ) as in the case above...the person "went to the market". ( every fiber of my being wants to say..."and this little piggy stayed home".....but I will refrain )

To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.

We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.

There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root"before the "fruit" comes.

The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.

Sometimes our religious traditions can "hi-jack" the meanings of words and can present false assumptions.

Here is post by Grace777 about this subject from another thread and I agree with this too.

joaniemarie · Apr 22, 2018

We should be "repenting" changing our minds daily. This is a process we do in our new creation (in the spirit) by the power of the Holy Spirit pointing us to Christ in the Word each day. Daily fellowship IN HIM. That is our calling. The life of Christ in us. Amen!

Gal.2:20

tourist · Apr 22, 2018

joaniemarie said:

This is why I come to CC too.

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

No problem, but it seems that you find a lot of Gnoticsm in evangelical thought, illumination would have been nice.

hehe

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

UnderGrace · Apr 22, 2018

Indeed we should, I tend think of it more of a reminding rather than a process, but then that is just semantics.

joaniemarie said:

HeRoseFromTheDead · Apr 23, 2018

UnderGrace said:

I have never mentioned evangelical in this context. Why did you use that term?

eternally-gratefull · Apr 23, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Well i got this far, and just have to say,

1. this poster just proved he has not any idea what ben was trying to say or believes (if he would listen to ben, he would know ben does not think or believe we have no responsibility or desire to confess our sins to god, bens argument is against doint it as a means of getting sins forgiven and restoring or maintaining salvation.

2. all this has done is turn into another hypergrace bash thread, by people who THINK they know what they believe but continues to prove they donot

sadly i have a few more pages to,read and i doubt it will get any better.

7seasrekeyed · Apr 23, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

you should be careful

do you see how eternally grateful has brought up a subject we are not supposed to discuss?

he knows that well

make sure you don't mention it as he would enjoy you doing that so he could report it

no I'm not kidding

this thread needs to be buried anyway. it's just another one of many that have the same op and the same results

joaniemarie · Apr 23, 2018

I strongly believe if someone or someones are not happy with this thread then they should not join in. Simple as that. I enjoy discussing this topic very much as it applies to my life today and apparently so do many others. If there is a thread I don't like I just won't join in. I don't try to shut it down. And certainly this topic is something we most certainly SHOULD BE DISCUSSING. It's the Christian life in Christ.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 23, 2018

SovereignGrace said:

Yes, and notice

1.david did not ask forgiveness
2. God forgave him anyway without him asking
3, later in psalms, david admitted to god, sacrifice and burnt offering God did not desire, undaerstandng the law would not redeem his sin.

UnderGrace · Apr 23, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I strongly believe if someone or someones are not happy with this thread then they should not join in. Simple as that. I enjoy discussing this topic very much as it applies to my life today and apparently so do many others. If there is a thread I don't like I just won't join in. I don't try to shut it down. And certainly this topic is something we most certainly SHOULD BE DISCUSSING. It's the Christian life in Christ.[/QUOTE

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