10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

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you should be careful

do you see how eternally grateful has brought up a subject we are not supposed to discuss?

he knows that well

make sure you don't mention it as he would enjoy you doing that so he could report it

no I'm not kidding

this thread needs to be buried anyway. it's just another one of many that have the same op and the same results

I have yet t report any thread for being hypergrace or of the type, but thanks for judging.

The word does not even need to be used for people to see it is yet another attack, all you have to do is look at the terms and the false accusations that are thrown around to see that.
 

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I have yet t report any thread for being hypergrace or of the type, but thanks for judging.

The word does not even need to be used for people to see it is yet another attack, all you have to do is look at the terms and the false accusations that are thrown around to see that.
People add the "hyper" to grace in an effort to shut down those who believe salvation is a gift from God that cannot be earned, or retained, by works.

They are Pharisaical, and desire little but keeping people under the yoke of the Law.
 
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People add the "hyper" to grace in an effort to shut down those who believe salvation is a gift from God that cannot be earned, or retained, by works.

They are Pharisaical, and desire little but keeping people under the yoke of the Law.
Hyper grace is a movement, we were exposed to it when a member would post all sorts of videos by jospeh prince to help explain something, which was a mistake, because then about 5 members went to war, it got nasty so nasty that the mods had to make a thread saying these things were off limits, alot of people got banned, etc etc..

it us just the things people say against it the people they are fighting (hypergrace movement) do not actually believe, like i just showed how one member said ben did not believe we had to do something which is not true,
 

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Sadly, that rarely happens, and this thread is no exception.
On the contrary, this thread does exactly that. It only deflects when people bring about false accusations, sadly.

What we should, or can, do is agree that we have the total forgiveness of sin because that is exactly what Jesus Christ purchased for us through His bloodshed. Then we can discuss the necessity of repentance, being open with the Lord about areas we are falling short, resisting temptation, and walking in holiness. The latter not granting the former, for it is by faith in the Son of God.
 
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On the contrary, this thread does exactly that. It only deflects when people bring about false accusations, sadly.

What we should, or can, do is agree that we have the total forgiveness of sin because that is exactly what Jesus Christ purchased for us through His bloodshed. Then we can discuss the necessity of repentance, being open with the Lord about areas we are falling short, resisting temptation, and walking in holiness. The latter not granting the former, for it is by faith in the Son of God.
If you are stating that there are some on this thread, can you point out the false accusations, please? Thank you.
 

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Probably another thread

But maybe a thread thanking God for overcoming things in our lives that have inhibited our walk with him.

But maybe confessing it has released us.
 

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Sadly, that rarely happens, and this thread is no exception.
That's why I mostly hang out in the Conversation About Nothing In Particular thread in Singles. It's called 'hardiharharville' there. It's a fun place to be and there are a lovely bunch of peeps to converse with.
 

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If you are stating that there are some on this thread, can you point out the false accusations, please? Thank you.
Hey HeRoseFromTheDead. No problem, I'm going to use one from you, one from Angela, and two from 7seasrekeyed.

#6 - A sinner needs to be cleansed of an evil conscience. The only way that can happen is to be in agreement with the holy spirit that we have sinned, and acknowledge it.
This is said as if it refutes what point 6 is, but doesn't acknowledge that I am not opposed to sin confession in the sense of transparency before God. I agree that we are to be in agreement with God on sin, its sinfulness, and the need to repent of it.

well those believers then need encouragement and study and to understand that we are no longer under condemnation

but it is the entire package of ignoring instruction regarding forgiveness on a horizontal level that has been addressed more than once at CC with some people insisting it is not necessary

that, and stating Jesus was old school and now it's all different

the people who have said this here and tried to teach that here, know who they are

so really, while your immediate post contains truth and I agree some people are consumed by guilt, it in no way address the bigger problems many of us have been addressing and concerned about during your absence

you would have an awful lot of reading to catch up
Where have I stated that we are to ignore forgiveness on a "horizontal level?" In my very first post, the OP, I literally post a verse at the bottom that specifically tells us to forgive others. This criticism couldn't be further from the truth.

this thread has been cleverly manipulated to make it seem that you can interpret scripture in the way best suited to your own understanding

the premise is one we have heard ad infinitum and the responses are canned and tired

nobody really listens and some of the snappy comebacks have ZERO to do with the op; they are simply geared as an 'HAHA I got you' while denying doing any such thing

nonetheless, ignore what the NT actually teaches, you will have to ignore what Jesus says but of course He is 'old school' to many these days

it's all good though, eh?
This thread hasn't been cleverly manipulated at all, nor does it ignore what the NT teaches or ignore what Jesus says. I have used scripture to make my argument that we have the total forgiveness of sin. If you disagree don't attack me personally, but show why you disagree biblically. Its not as if I just pulled this idea out of thin air, I used chapter and verses (something I've been accused of not doing, and when I do, its ignored).

You have obviously not been following this hypergrace fiasco as long as I have. Point blank, they deny that we need to confess our sins. And make amends, as Jesus said.

Hypergrace and Word Faith are both an overrealized eschatology. They repeatedly take promises meant for when we are made perfect, glorified, when Jesus returns, and apply them to Justification. Now, Justification is important! But it is our starting point.

I personally do not understand this teaching at all, focusing on your own righteousness. How do you change and grow, if you only focus on a future event? It makes no sense from a human point of view. How do you change and grow if you never come to grips with your weak areas, the one the Holy Spirit convicts me to change?

When I came to Christ, God changed me in some amazing ways. Things that I have literally never had to deal with again. Like drinking. God told me never again, and in 38 years I’ve never been tempted. So, I don’t have to confess that sin, I don’t have it anymore. BUT, many people have a different journey.

But God left me lots of stuff to work on! I cannot deny that. And he still continues to help me. And that comes about by prayer, by talking to God, and certainly asking him to help me with the obvious wrongs I have committed. I am so much closer to God, because of that process of confessing my sins. I am not losing my salvation, to feel sorry and contrite like David did, (nope, not going to even get into that stupid nonsense about dispensations, which is partly where a lot of this theological nonsense comes from.)

Point blank! The teachings of hypergrace and Word Faith are wrong on every level, and it includes this too!

I am so tired to the doublespeak, too! Certainly, repentance is NOT just a change of mind, that is a bad translation of the word metanoia. It means so much more than that. It means “turning from your sin.” And sometimes,that takes a long time!

I certainly wonder how hypergrace people even grow, when they can make the Bible say anything it wants, when they focuse on feeling good and the self, rather than the basic message of Christianity, which is Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. From Genesis 3 to Revelation we need to confess our sins. And hopefully, feel sorry enough to seek God to help us change, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Where do I begin? No we are not against sin confession, but I am against it for the sake of forgiveness because God for Christ's sake has forgiven us already. As for making amends, this is another person who says I am, or we are, against this and teach such but is so very wrong.

Worst of all is the accusation of hyper-grace and WOF as a blanket statement to dismiss what someone is teaching because they do not have the time or means of refuting what has been said. I have used scripture, in context with sound exegesis. Where is the rebuttal? They've resorted to ad hominem attacks, attacking the person as a means of dismissing the content of what has been said.

As you can see accusations have been thrown around without actually considering what has been said. They speak of canned and tired responses, well look in the mirror! Clearly such responses are not accurate refutations of what has been said, but straw men.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and asking for such proof in a respectful manner.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said

"Father forgive them for they do not know what they are both doing?

What did he mean when he said "It is finished?
 

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What did Jesus mean when he said

"Father forgive them for they do not know what they are both doing?
Yes, we can be merciful to people's ignorance. This is a good point. On the other hand, some people come out swinging not desiring to come to a place of unity and agreement. This doesn't have to be me versus them, we can be in it together coming to an understanding of the truth.
 

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I'd like to ask those who obviously present themselves to be on the other side of this argument, what have I missed? What do you disagree with? Do we not have the total forgiveness of sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, who is our High Priest able to save us completely? Where have I applied something falsely? Maybe instead you'd admit this thread has given you something to think on? I don't know, lets discuss.
 

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I'd like to ask those who obviously present themselves to be on the other side of this argument, what have I missed? What do you disagree with? Do we not have the total forgiveness of sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, who is our High Priest able to save us completely? Where have I applied something falsely? Maybe instead you'd admit this thread has given you something to think on? I don't know, lets discuss.
Does the following apply

Isaiah 1:18
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
 
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Hey HeRoseFromTheDead. No problem, I'm going to use one from you, one from Angela, and two from 7seasrekeyed.

This is said as if it refutes what point 6 is, but doesn't acknowledge that I am not opposed to sin confession in the sense of transparency before God. I agree that we are to be in agreement with God on sin, its sinfulness, and the need to repent of it.
I have no idea what the minutiae of your beliefs are, and it's not my responsibility to stay update on them, but it is your responsibility to state what you believe clearly, without ambiguity, so that people are not left with doubts. You asked for dialogue on your points, so I gave my opinion to facilitate that. On point #6 you said:

6. Jesus being the sufficient sacrifice that He is for all sin, there is no more offering for sin (Hebrews 10:18). Therefore, there is nothing more to do in order for sin to experience remission/forgiveness. Jesus did it.
I replied with my opinion that a person with a defiled conscience would need for it to be cleansed by agreeing with the holy spirit that he has sinned, and acknowledging it before experiencing forgiveness.

If you think that is a false accusation, then you have some serious issues.

You said you wanted discussion, but when I tried to do so, you didn't respond. If you want to discuss this issue, then do so. You had every opportunity to discuss the issue, but instead you used it as an opportunity to falsely accuse me.

Examine your heart, friend.
 

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Yes, we can be merciful to people's ignorance. This is a good point. On the other hand, some people come out swinging not desiring to come to a place of unity and agreement. This doesn't have to be me versus them, we can be in it together coming to an understanding of the truth.
But we need to realise that it does become me verses them.
The reason being disagreement.
If one disagrees with another then the another does not know the truth.

If it's not truth then it's a lie.
 

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I have no idea what the minutiae of your beliefs are, and it's not my responsibility to stay update on them, but it is your responsibility to state what you believe clearly, without ambiguity, so that people are not left with doubts. You asked for dialogue on your points, so I gave my opinion to facilitate that. On point #6 you said:



I replied with my opinion that a person with a defiled conscience would need for it to be cleansed by agreeing with the holy spirit that he has sinned, and acknowledging it before experiencing forgiveness.

If you think that is a false accusation, then you have some serious issues.

You said you wanted discussion, but when I tried to do so, you didn't respond. If you want to discuss this issue, then do so. You had every opportunity to discuss the issue, but instead you used it as an opportunity to falsely accuse me.

Examine your heart, friend.
I'm not so sure it can be seen that way, but if you feel that I have falsely presented you I am sorry. The point of point six was to establish that there is no other means of obtaining forgiveness than through Jesus Christ. This is made clear when considering all ten points.
 
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I'd like to ask those who obviously present themselves to be on the other side of this argument, what have I missed? What do you disagree with? Do we not have the total forgiveness of sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, who is our High Priest able to save us completely? Where have I applied something falsely? Maybe instead you'd admit this thread has given you something to think on? I don't know, lets discuss.
I responded to 3 points that I disagree with and you ignored them. Now you're asking the same question again. What game are you playing?
 

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Does the following apply

Isaiah 1:18
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
Right off the bat, I am not sure if I brought this point up in this discussion but here is something interesting to consider. Most Christians would say that the law is written on their hearts, right? Well, where this is said another fact is stated.

[h=1]Hebrews 10:15-17 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Both of these statements are current realities, why do we so easily accept the first one and not the next? Just as His law is written on our hearts and in our minds, He just as well remembers our sins and iniquities no more. Its said within the parameters of a covenant. [/FONT]
 
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I responded to 3 points that I disagree with and you ignored them. Now you're asking the same question again. What game are you playing?
How do you know he ignored them, maybe his time is limited or he just plan missed them.

That is an assumption on his state of mind.

I do not read every single post though I try to follow through on questions if I can, but life is busy and it is not always possible.
 

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I responded to 3 points that I disagree with and you ignored them. Now you're asking the same question again. What game are you playing?
That isn't true, I already addressed one when I said that it wasn't accurate, and falsely accused me of a perspective I do not hold. Why would I address any straw men? However, let me bring up your posts, as I am not trying to ignore you.

#5 - Sin does not put us under the type of condemnation mentioned in Romans 8:1. It grieves GOD and our consciences condemn us (not the Romans 8:1 kind).
#6 - A sinner needs to be cleansed of an evil conscience. The only way that can happen is to be in agreement with the holy spirit that we have sinned, and acknowledge it.
#9 - This is a non-sequitur the way you stated it. It only makes sense if a person has no faith.
Your issue with #5 only affirms my point against sin confession for forgiveness. If sin, as you say, "doesn't put us under the condemnation mentioned in Romans 8:1" then we do not have to confess our sins in order to obtain forgiveness. You agree with me, then?

To state that #9 is a non-sequitor and only makes sense if a person has no faith isn't entirely true. There are many Christians who alienate themselves from God when they have sinned because they feel condemned and distanced from God.

For some it is matter of being in the mire a little longer, enjoying it while they can, until they repent because they are already condemned (might as well enjoy the party). Of course God is not mocked and sees the heart, but under grace even more so is there no excuse for sin (yet His grace is sufficient).

#9 is actually very important because it lets us know that God wants fellowship, and because our sin is forgiven we may have fellowship unhindered. He may even address sin in such fellowship, especially sins in need of immediate repentance (addressing the elephant in the room).

I agree with you whole heartedly! Our own hearts condemn us, and yet God is greater than our hearts. Its like we enter fellowship with God but our own heart is like, "I hope He isn't thinking about what I did earlier." lol We cannot hide anything from God, but must also keep in mind He isn't holding it against us. He wants us to walk in victory.

I hope you feel I have addressed your "concerns" adequately.