10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

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That isn't true, I already addressed one when I said that it wasn't accurate, and falsely accused me of a perspective I do not hold. Why would I address any straw men? However, let me bring up your posts, as I am not trying to ignore you.
You need to get your terminology correct. Not accounting for every detail of your beliefs might result in an unintentional false characterization of your beliefs on my part, but that is by no means a false accusation.
 
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You need to get your terminology correct. Not accounting for every detail of your beliefs might result in an unintentional false characterization of your beliefs on my part, but that is by no means a false accusation.
The accusations were from 7seasrekeyed and Angela mainly. I don't know HeRoseFromTheDead, sometimes it feels like you're addressing the same straw men, but possibly we can have a new beginning. Its nice to chat with someone who actually reads what you are saying.
 
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I would agree on that!!

The accusations were from 7seasrekeyed and Angela mainly. I don't know HeRoseFromTheDead, sometimes it feels like you're addressing the same straw men, but possibly we can have a new beginning. Its nice to chat with someone who actually reads what you are saying.
 
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I agree on this too, what I mean and how it is interpreted can be different sometimes, helps to choose words wisely but we all rush sometimes and slip up.


You need to get your terminology correct. Not accounting for every detail of your beliefs might result in an unintentional false characterization of your beliefs on my part, but that is by no means a false accusation.
 
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Your issue with #5 only affirms my point against sin confession for forgiveness. If sin, as you say, "doesn't put us under the condemnation mentioned in Romans 8:1" then we do not have to confess our sins in order to obtain forgiveness. You agree with me, then?
Let's look at it this way. See if you agree with this.

Forgiveness of all sin so that we don't ever incur GOD's wrath occurred at the cross. That is covered when we are baptized into Christ. Those who remain in Christ are safe, just as those in Egypt who remained in their blood protected houses were safe from the death angel.

Forgiveness of sins we might commit after that point do not cause us to incur GOD's wrath, but they do impact us. The forgiveness is there and waiting, but we have to turn away from our sin and acknowledge it to receive that forgiveness.
 
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Let's look at it this way. See if you agree on this.

Forgiveness of all sin so that we don't ever incur GOD's wrath occurred at the cross. That is covered when we are baptized into Christ. Those who remain in Christ are safe, just as those in Egypt who remained in their blood protected houses were safe from the death angel.

Forgiveness of sins we might commit after that point do not cause us to incur GOD's wrath, but they do impact us. The forgiveness is there and waiting, but we have to turn away from our sin to receive it.
I agreed with everything up until the point of your last sentence I put in bold. I still believe in repentance and turning away from sin, especially in respect to walking in God's will for our lives. Multiple times are we told to walk in righteousness because the righteous commit righteousness, we are told to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. So I have no issue with repentance.

The forgiveness is truly there, but it is not waiting. Its been given. Repentance is not something we do to receive God's forgiveness, its what we do to walk in that forgiveness. We may have great fellowship with God for example, when we know He doesn't hold our sins against us, and there is no condemnation. The forgiveness is ours, and because of this, we may be before Him repentant asking for deliverance, the escape, the victory, and He will give it to us. He also will assure us, comfort us, of His forgiveness (that is sourced through Christ).

We are not worthy of this goodness, far from it. Yet Christ did die for it, in accordance with the Father's will.
 
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To state that #9 is a non-sequitor and only makes sense if a person has no faith isn't entirely true. There are many Christians who alienate themselves from God when they have sinned because they feel condemned and distanced from God.
People are listening to the devil and wrong doctrine when they do this. GOD doesn't condemn anyone who seeks his mercy. He loves for us to acknowledge the truth so that he can be merciful.
 

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People are listening to the devil and wrong doctrine when they do this. GOD doesn't condemn anyone who seeks his mercy. He loves for us to acknowledge the truth so that he can be merciful.
Exactly! This is the fruit of sin confession for forgiveness, always battling one's standing with God instead of being assured of the solid foundation that is Christ Jesus. Forgiveness is what we have from the Father for Christ's sake. Let this truth pierce your very soul!
 
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The forgiveness is truly there, but it is not waiting. Its been given. Repentance is not something we do to receive God's forgiveness, its what we do to walk in that forgiveness. We may have great fellowship with God for example, when we know He doesn't hold our sins against us, and there is no condemnation. The forgiveness is ours, and because of this, we may be before Him repentant asking for deliverance, the escape, the victory, and He will give it to us. He also will assure us, comfort us, of His forgiveness (that is sourced through Christ).

We are not worthy of this goodness, far from it. Yet Christ did die for it, in accordance with the Father's will.
The problem with this reasoning is that when a person sins, his/her conscience becomes defiled. It's GOD's way of letting us know we've done something unrighteous. We can't just ignore a defiled conscience or it will become seared. Acknowledging the truth allows forgiveness to cleanse a defiled conscience.
 

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John 20:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]23 [/SUP]If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

It looks like you must confess your sins to an apostle or one of their successors so that they can decide whether to forgive you or not.
 
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John 20:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]23 [/SUP]If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

It looks like you must confess your sins to an apostle or one of their successors so that they can decide whether to forgive you or not.
On the surface that is what it looks like, but subsequent scripture doesn't bear that out. Instead it shows Peter and the other apostles having the authority to authorize water baptism of repentant souls into the forgiveness of their sins.
 

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On the surface that is what it looks like, but subsequent scripture doesn't bear that out. Instead it shows Peter and the other apostles having the authority to authorize water baptism of repentant souls into the forgiveness of their sins.
Could you supply some scripture quotes?
 
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Could you supply some scripture quotes?
Sure. There may be more. I haven't studied this in depth

And having heard, they were vexed in the heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of [the] apostles, What shall we do men, brethren? And Peter said to them, Repent, and be immersed each of you in the name of Jesus Christ for a release of sins! and you shall receive the present of the holy spirit. Acts 2:37-38

Surely no one can withhold the water for these [people] to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!” So he ordered [that] they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay for several days. Acts 10:47-48
 

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The problem with this reasoning is that when a person sins, his/her conscience becomes defiled. It's GOD's way of letting us know we've done something unrighteous. We can't just ignore a defiled conscience or it will become seared. Acknowledging the truth allows forgiveness to cleanse a defiled conscience.
I've heard one person say that for a Christian to sin is like a fish out of water. It doesn't belong. We may sin (as John said "If anyone sins...") but we, as believers, walk in righteousness. If/when we sin it does weigh on our conscience, and what usually lifts this weight is making amends (as some have brought up).

Some people feel that they must seek forgiveness for sin, after committing it, where as others believe they are forgiven, express apologies, and move on. It is through this expression that often our own guilt is lifted, especially is the case when we believe ourselves to be in some way condemned by God (eternally, or even relational). So they repent, confess their sin, and because they believe God has now forgiven them, all is well. The negative emotions are lifted.

What is the difference between the person who believes God has forgiven them already, and the one that seeks forgiveness? Peace! As for the defiled conscience, would you not say that such feelings are far more extreme for the one that believes a penalty is to be incurred? They are in fear, and their conscience weighs heavy as a result of such belief, as opposed to just their conscience bearing witness against them (as they know better). There is a difference between a healthy/pure conscience and one that is oppressive as a result of false doctrine.

Either way, and again, many of us here have already stated that they confess their sins (not for forgiveness) and so even under your premise, of not acknowledging the sin would lead to a seared conscience, people do acknowledge their sin. The only difference is that they aren't seeking forgiveness from God but transparency unto victory. They do not hide their sin, a silly endeavor.

Therefore your conclusion as to what my reasoning would lead to is incorrect. God's grace (and forgiveness) won't lead someone to a seared conscience. In fact, under such reasoning it would lead to a healthier conscience (not being oppressive due to condemnation, eternally or on a relational level). God's forgiveness, already being given, doesn't desensitize us to our wrongs. We still acknowledge them.
 

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Sure. There may be more. I haven't studied this in depth
And having heard, they were vexed in the heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of [the] apostles, What shall we do men, brethren? And Peter said to them, Repent, and be immersed each of you in the name of Jesus Christ for a release of sins! and you shall receive the present of the holy spirit. Acts 2:37-38

Surely no one can withhold the water for these [people] to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!” So he ordered [that] they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay for several days. Acts 10:47-48
I believe your scriptures proves baptism remits sins. But what about sins committed after baptism?
 
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Forgiveness of sins we might commit after that point do not cause us to incur GOD's wrath, but they do impact us. The forgiveness is there and waiting, but we have to turn away from our sin and acknowledge it to receive that forgiveness.
I believe the confessing to God is more for the person.

What confession does is help the believer realize God's grace, mercy, forgiveness.

So maybe if the last sentence stated as follows:

"The forgiveness is there and waiting, but we have to turn away from our sin and acknowledge it to realize that forgiveness"


When we turn from God, we easily forget who and what we are in Christ Jesus. God still sees us as His children. And we still have Jesus Christ as our Intercessor (Heb 7:25) and our Advocate (1 John 2:1). However, when we have turned from God, we don't see ourselves as He sees us.



I speak only for myself:

I can feel when I have turned from Him. So the moment I realize I've turned from Him, I go to God and bare my heart before Him. He has never rejected me. He has always welcomed me with open arms and He holds me close to Him and whispers His sweet words in my heart and applies His healing balm.

Now I've just got to get to the point where I see the snare laid out so I don't fall into it. [sigh]
 
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I believe your scriptures proves baptism remits sins. But what about sins committed after baptism?
Confess to the high priest

​Therefore, [because we] have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast to our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is not able to sympathize with our weaknesses, but who has been tempted in all [things] in the same way, without sin. Therefore let us approach with confidence to the throne of grace, in order that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:14-16
 
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The problem with this reasoning is that when a person sins, his/her conscience becomes defiled. It's GOD's way of letting us know we've done something unrighteous. We can't just ignore a defiled conscience or it will become seared. Acknowledging the truth allows forgiveness to cleanse a defiled conscience.

He has said numerous time he believes one needs to confess their sins to God, Just not as a means of forgiveness (maintaining salvation). Why do you keep ignoring that fact?

If your not going to pay attention to what people say, why even bother?
 
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What is the difference between the person who believes God has forgiven them already, and the one that seeks forgiveness? Peace! As for the defiled conscience, would you not say that such feelings are far more extreme for the one that believes a penalty is to be incurred? They are in fear, and their conscience weighs heavy as a result of such belief, as opposed to just their conscience bearing witness against them (as they know better). There is a difference between a healthy/pure conscience and one that is oppressive as a result of false doctrine.

Either way, and again, many of us here have already stated that they confess their sins (not for forgiveness) and so even under your premise, of not acknowledging the sin would lead to a seared conscience, people do acknowledge their sin. The only difference is that they aren't seeking forgiveness from God but transparency unto victory. They do not hide their sin, a silly endeavor.

Therefore your conclusion as to what my reasoning would lead to is incorrect. God's grace (and forgiveness) won't lead someone to a seared conscience. In fact, under such reasoning it would lead to a healthier conscience (not being oppressive due to condemnation, eternally or on a relational level). God's forgiveness, already being given, doesn't desensitize us to our wrongs. We still acknowledge them.
False humility. A "healthy/pure conscience" is the result of confessing our sin(s) with a sorrowful and contrite heart ... and not in believing that "we're good to go" by simply "acknowledging". BTW ... what's the difference in confessing and acknowledgement ? And why would one acknowledge and at the same time not bother confessing or asking for forgiveness ? Does God frown on us or are we pestering Him when we come to Him for forgiveness for a transgression after we've been redeemed ? The psalms are full of sorrowful pleas for forgiveness ... by believers. "they aren't seeking forgiveness but transparency unto victory" >>>>> What is that supposed to mean ? God doesn't want or expect believers to confess our sins because we're already saved ? He's fine with us saying ... Yeah .. I blew it again Lord but I know you're cool with it because I acknowledged it ? Complete nonsense bordering on arrogance ... if not already submersed in it. "God's grace (and forgiveness) won't lead somebody to a seared conscience" .... you're right ... it won't ... because if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us. I don't feel condemned for this very reason.
 
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Do you believe at the moment of conversion/regeneration all sins are forgiven past, present, and future?



False humility. A "healthy/pure conscience" is the result of confessing our sin(s) with a sorrowful and contrite heart ... and not in believing that "we're good to go" by simply "acknowledging". BTW ... what's the difference in confessing and acknowledgement ? And why would one acknowledge and at the same time not bother confessing or asking for forgiveness ? Does God frown on us or are we pestering Him when we come to Him for forgiveness for a transgression after we've been redeemed ? The psalms are full of sorrowful pleas for forgiveness ... by believers. "they aren't seeking forgiveness but transparency unto victory" >>>>> What is that supposed to mean ? God doesn't want or expect believers to confess our sins because we're already saved ? He's fine with us saying ... Yeah .. I blew it again Lord but I know you're cool with it because I acknowledged it ? Complete nonsense bordering on arrogance ... if not already submersed in it. "God's grace (and forgiveness) won't lead somebody to a seared conscience" .... you're right ... it won't ... because if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us. I don't feel condemned for this very reason.