Why are you always so focused on "not" confessing sin? It seems like a weird focus from my point of view, so what if I confess my sin before God, why does whether or not someone else confesses their sin to God matter to anyone else at all? It seems like you are on a mission to make this clear, but to me it comes off like someone who has, or has had the burden of tons of guilt. I can't see how anyone's personal confession to God in our relationship with Him, through our Christ Jesus, is of any concern what so ever to anyone else. At the same time if in your walk you do not ever confess to God, then I do not think that is of concern to anyone else either. I just don't understand why this would be a huge teaching point honestly, and certainly not a place of contention at all.
10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!
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We already have freedom from a guilty conscience and must take a hold of that gift we got at the time of our salvation daily. We were sprinkled with the blood of Jesus from a guilty conscience and when we feel guilt and shame., we look to Jesus who cleansed us 100%.
We daily need our feet washed with the washing of the water of the Word. This is a (change of mind) Repentance from the days grime of being in the world having the way we saw things that were wrong to how God sees that is right. The rest of us who have Jesus are fully clean and free from guilt and shame and condemnation. All because of Jesus. But we cannot walk in that truth unless we first hear about it and then believe it and then walk it out each day.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. (Heb 10:22)
He has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over his own head on the cross. (Col 2:13-14, Phillips)
Many Christians battle with guilt because they’ve not fully grasped the finished work of the cross. They’re filtering life through the obsolete lens of the rule-keeping covenant.
Justified = not guilty
We daily need our feet washed with the washing of the water of the Word. This is a (change of mind) Repentance from the days grime of being in the world having the way we saw things that were wrong to how God sees that is right. The rest of us who have Jesus are fully clean and free from guilt and shame and condemnation. All because of Jesus. But we cannot walk in that truth unless we first hear about it and then believe it and then walk it out each day.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. (Heb 10:22)
He has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over his own head on the cross. (Col 2:13-14, Phillips)
Many Christians battle with guilt because they’ve not fully grasped the finished work of the cross. They’re filtering life through the obsolete lens of the rule-keeping covenant.
Justified = not guilty
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We already have freedom from a guilty conscience and must take a hold of that gift we got at the time of our salvation daily. We were sprinkled with the blood of Jesus from a guilty conscience and when we feel guilt and shame., we look to Jesus who cleansed us 100%.
We daily need our feet washed with the washing of the water of the Word. This is a (change of mind) Repentance from the days grime of being in the world having the way we saw things that were wrong to how God sees that is right. The rest of us who have Jesus are fully clean and free from guilt and shame and condemnation. All because of Jesus. But we cannot walk in that truth unless we first hear about it and then believe it and then walk it out each day.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. (Heb 10:22)
He has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over his own head on the cross. (Col 2:13-14, Phillips)
Many Christians battle with guilt because they’ve not fully grasped the finished work of the cross. They’re filtering life through the obsolete lens of the rule-keeping covenant.
Justified = not guilty
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Amen...Justified!!
Not guilty! Jesus paid the debt for us.
It is like going to court over and over again to confess a crime that has already been paid for and forgiven.
What were are left with is thankfulness and humility at what has been accomplished for us, we confess thankfulness and thereby find humility at His feet.
Not guilty! Jesus paid the debt for us.
It is like going to court over and over again to confess a crime that has already been paid for and forgiven.
What were are left with is thankfulness and humility at what has been accomplished for us, we confess thankfulness and thereby find humility at His feet.
Note... we should never speculate why another Christian is posting something here on CC because we have NO idea what is on that person's heart. We can only speculate and guess. What good is it to do so in public putting a wrong interpretation on something that was actually good and right and wholesomely shared?
And as it happens., the truth that we are already cleansed is of MAJOR importance for us Christians to KNOW and live. Many of us Christians (myself included) didn't hear about this until many years later well into my 50s.
And as it happens., the truth that we are already cleansed is of MAJOR importance for us Christians to KNOW and live. Many of us Christians (myself included) didn't hear about this until many years later well into my 50s.
Amen!! And it also goes to show we all have soooo much to learn and it's really possible to learn from one another and from other preachers and teachers. Even our tried and true Bible teachers and preachers have more to learn. We are all human in need of daily mind renewal and transformation.
Romans 12:2
2 [FONT="]Do not conform[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] to the pattern of this world,[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]—his good, pleasing[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] and perfect will.[/FONT]
I don't disagree with what you're saying, and I'm not going to be pulled into a straw man debate. I want to say that I do not believe in anything we "have to do" for salvation. I am not saying "we have to confess our sin to God", I'm saying "I" do if/when I find myself outside of God's will and what He has commanded me to , and I do so because I want to. I WANT to tell my Father I am so sorry for this and thank Him for being so good. My point is what I do on my personal walk with God is not your, or anyone's, concern at all? I just think it's a weird thing to focus on.
I also find a slight contradiction in what you're saying, to talk about "We daily need our feet washed with the washing of the water of the Word", what is this feet washing thing about in your view? Do our feet get dirty as we walk around in this world? Also what do you think us going to Him to have them washed is? I believe it's exactly what I experience when I go to Him and pour out my heart, we are being molded into His image more everyday, and I am not talking about "maintaining salvation", or confession as a rule to be upheld, I am simply describing what I do in my walk, and can not see how it's anyone else's business honestly, and a very silly thing to focus on or debate about.
I also find a slight contradiction in what you're saying, to talk about "We daily need our feet washed with the washing of the water of the Word", what is this feet washing thing about in your view? Do our feet get dirty as we walk around in this world? Also what do you think us going to Him to have them washed is? I believe it's exactly what I experience when I go to Him and pour out my heart, we are being molded into His image more everyday, and I am not talking about "maintaining salvation", or confession as a rule to be upheld, I am simply describing what I do in my walk, and can not see how it's anyone else's business honestly, and a very silly thing to focus on or debate about.
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Well., your life is no one's business here unless you make yourself a part of the thread so then people end up answering your question that you posted. (??)
So I answered your question because I just happen to be here at the time you posted. I have no idea what straw man debate you're talking about being pulled into. You came to this thread. No one pulled you in. (???)
The feetwashing thing is to be transformed by the renewing of our minds... that means what we thought in and of ourselves needs to get changed by reading the Word of God and being WASHED by the water of the Word to think RIGHT and not WRONG.
God's thoughts need to become our thoughts... and we DAILY need that kind of "washing of the water of the Word" to learn to think differently than we did BEFORE we read the Word of God. And so., so we ARE being transformed by the renewing of our minds. That is the washing we need and get when we submit to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
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You need to study the passage,
“he who sins has never seen god or known him”
“whoever is born of god can not sin because his seed in in him and thus he can not sin”
there is no command there, it is a compair and contrast of those who are born of God vs those who of the devil (not born of God)
your eisegesis is flawed and terribly wrong
“he who sins has never seen god or known him”
“whoever is born of god can not sin because his seed in in him and thus he can not sin”
there is no command there, it is a compair and contrast of those who are born of God vs those who of the devil (not born of God)
your eisegesis is flawed and terribly wrong
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Lol, in my opinion, you treat the grace of God so lifhtly its as if it is a bad thing and needs to be banished away.
How can we know we have eternal life if we must always go to god and ask forgiveness? You can’t know it, you would live in continual fear, even if you do not think you are, and you will hide sins you struggle with out of fear god may not forgive you,
grace is the means to a blessed life of right thinking and doing, not works,
I speak very "to the point" and bluntly, but if I offended you I'm sorry, but your responses don't even make sense.
"Well., your life is no one's business here unless you make yourself a part of the thread so then people end up answering your question that you posted"
Well what I am saying isn't your, or anyone else's, business is my personal confessions to God. If I feel I have sinned and choose to, or not to, confess to God, how is that ANYONE ELE'S business? I'm not talking about this conversation, you seem to have missed my point completely here.
"So I answered your question because I just happen to be here at the time you posted. I have no idea what straw man debate you're talking about being pulled into. You came to this thread. No one pulled you in."
The straw man debate is setting it up like it's "have to confess" vs "do not confess at all", and I really don't think anyone is arguing for either. My point has only been "How is my walk, if I do or do not confess anything to God, how is this personal thing anyone's business at all? That, and I think the whole angle of "we shouldn't confess sin to God", a strange thing to focus on in general.
"The feetwashing thing is to be transformed by the renewing of our minds... that means what we thought in and of ourselves needs to get changed by reading the Word of God and being WASHED by the water of the Word to think RIGHT and not WRONG."
This I agree with fully, and I believe it is called sanctification. Part of my personal sanctification includes when I find myself doing what I know is wrong I turn to God and "confess" in my brokenness, thanking Him for showing me and for being a forgiving God. I feel that you are saying I am wrong to do this, I say how it "that" your concern at all. I believe I'm saved, I don't think my confessing is needed or necessary, I am just lead to do this. Can you tell me I'm wrong to do so? If not then you understand, and this is my biggest point.
"God's thoughts need to become our thoughts... and we DAILY need that kind of "washing of the water of the Word" to learn to think differently than we did BEFORE we read the Word of God. And so., so we ARE being transformed by the renewing of our minds. That is the washing we need and get when we submit to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God."
I agree, and that is how He works in me every day, molding me into Him image more every day. Again I can't see how my personal confession to God contradicts any of this. In my life it's a part of it.
"Well., your life is no one's business here unless you make yourself a part of the thread so then people end up answering your question that you posted"
Well what I am saying isn't your, or anyone else's, business is my personal confessions to God. If I feel I have sinned and choose to, or not to, confess to God, how is that ANYONE ELE'S business? I'm not talking about this conversation, you seem to have missed my point completely here.
"So I answered your question because I just happen to be here at the time you posted. I have no idea what straw man debate you're talking about being pulled into. You came to this thread. No one pulled you in."
The straw man debate is setting it up like it's "have to confess" vs "do not confess at all", and I really don't think anyone is arguing for either. My point has only been "How is my walk, if I do or do not confess anything to God, how is this personal thing anyone's business at all? That, and I think the whole angle of "we shouldn't confess sin to God", a strange thing to focus on in general.
"The feetwashing thing is to be transformed by the renewing of our minds... that means what we thought in and of ourselves needs to get changed by reading the Word of God and being WASHED by the water of the Word to think RIGHT and not WRONG."
This I agree with fully, and I believe it is called sanctification. Part of my personal sanctification includes when I find myself doing what I know is wrong I turn to God and "confess" in my brokenness, thanking Him for showing me and for being a forgiving God. I feel that you are saying I am wrong to do this, I say how it "that" your concern at all. I believe I'm saved, I don't think my confessing is needed or necessary, I am just lead to do this. Can you tell me I'm wrong to do so? If not then you understand, and this is my biggest point.
"God's thoughts need to become our thoughts... and we DAILY need that kind of "washing of the water of the Word" to learn to think differently than we did BEFORE we read the Word of God. And so., so we ARE being transformed by the renewing of our minds. That is the washing we need and get when we submit to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God."
I agree, and that is how He works in me every day, molding me into Him image more every day. Again I can't see how my personal confession to God contradicts any of this. In my life it's a part of it.
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I think you and jonimarie have a semantic issue
I do not believe she is saying we do not confess our sins to God (i know ben is not) she is saying we do not go asking for forgiveness every time we turn around
confess = Admit/state/acknowledge you have sinned
ask forgiveness means your asking for god to forgive you of something he already stated he has put as far as the east is from the rest.
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Feetwashing is a good analogy, their feet needed washed because they were unclean, sins make us unclean, they not only did not ask for forgiveness, they tried to stop Jesus, hey wanted to wash their own feet, oh is this not the human way.
god forgives us even when we fight and screem and try to handle things our way (if we are true believers, if we are not (completely clean by the word (saved) he will not fogive us at all, even though he paid the price for our sin, he will. Ot forgive sin of rejecting his sons offer of salvation based on grace apart from works.
god forgives us even when we fight and screem and try to handle things our way (if we are true believers, if we are not (completely clean by the word (saved) he will not fogive us at all, even though he paid the price for our sin, he will. Ot forgive sin of rejecting his sons offer of salvation based on grace apart from works.
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it seems you have some fear about your salvation with regards to your own efforts
why else would you constantly mock the posts of people who do not agree with you?
as John says we are a liar if we say we have no sin and if we confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive our sin, then why would you disagree with that?
that is written to believers.
this has nothing to do with eternal life. nothing at all.
that is either your red herring of choice or you just really cannot comprehend what you don't agree with and therefore you disagree
might be both
it's just really odd IMO, that you go out of your way to object to what scripture clearly says
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confusing guilt/sin/forgiveness with eternal life is ridiculous and illustrates a lack of comprehension
we are not guilty but forgiven
people refuse to see what John writes and seem to be afraid of loosing salvation and confuse issues that illustrate a personal bias and I believe also fear
as God's love casts out fear, why constantly mock and belittle people who simply point out the truth of scripture?
some here go out of their way to do it and can be found in threads that are not even about their inner conflict and they will misrepresent what is being said and then assume a superior air with the lol's and name calling
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well thanks for your opinion, but your dead wrong, if i had fear about salvation i would be preaching works and demand that people understand salvation can be lost.
why is ot people like HRFTD keep mocking people by refusing to see what they are saying and continue to slander them by claiming they say or believe things they do not believe.
i will continue to point out their sin until maybe one day the light turns on and they see what they are doing.
I did not mock him, he mocked so eone else with his own post, and i repeated what he said only in a flavor which suits him
If he can not handle maybe he needs to nt dish it out.
who said I Disagreed with confessing sin? Name one person in this tread who disagrees with the fact we need to confess sin, can you name one? There may be and i do not remember,
do you even read what people say?
Your so busy trying to be the mother protector of certain people you are not reading what actually is going on.
right now the issue is people like HRFTD and others slandering ben and others claiming they do not believe we have to confess our sins to god, which is not true,
Quite a few people have pointed it out to him but like many, they refuse to confess or acknowledge their sin, but keep on commiting the same sin over and over, then continue to preach we must repent and ask gods forgiveness , do you not see a major flavor of hypocrisy here?
Then again, hour defending him, what does that tell us?
Its really odd that we keep going like this over and over and you still have no idea what my beef is, or what i really believe.
why is ot people like HRFTD keep mocking people by refusing to see what they are saying and continue to slander them by claiming they say or believe things they do not believe.
i will continue to point out their sin until maybe one day the light turns on and they see what they are doing.
I did not mock him, he mocked so eone else with his own post, and i repeated what he said only in a flavor which suits him
If he can not handle maybe he needs to nt dish it out.
who said I Disagreed with confessing sin? Name one person in this tread who disagrees with the fact we need to confess sin, can you name one? There may be and i do not remember,
do you even read what people say?
Your so busy trying to be the mother protector of certain people you are not reading what actually is going on.
right now the issue is people like HRFTD and others slandering ben and others claiming they do not believe we have to confess our sins to god, which is not true,
Quite a few people have pointed it out to him but like many, they refuse to confess or acknowledge their sin, but keep on commiting the same sin over and over, then continue to preach we must repent and ask gods forgiveness , do you not see a major flavor of hypocrisy here?
Then again, hour defending him, what does that tell us?
Its really odd that we keep going like this over and over and you still have no idea what my beef is, or what i really believe.
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you do not seem able to deal with any scripture that deals with our attitudes towards sin
what I have seen from you, is that you are uncomfortable discussing it and throw up big smoke screens to avoid it...like your post in response to what I wrote
the fact is, you should deal with the scripture because I did not express an opinion
I referred to scripture
interesting how you believe you see this behavior in others when you function in that manner often
oh. I thought we didn't have to worry about that. or is it just the sin of others you believe needs attention?
you present a conflicted understanding of the doctrine of sin, and it is a doctrine, which it appears some would like to just redact clean out of scripture
and here we have what you say I am doing. so you need to go around correcting everyone for Ben's sake do you?
why would that be? if you do not approve of that kind of behavior in others, why are you doing it?
well no worries. the teaching of the Third Covenant is perfected in that very thing
that is not accurate. everyone in the forums knows your beefs because you express them to let us know what they are
if someone does not know what you 'really' believe, I would suggest you should be clearer about them
we can only read what you post. no mind readers here in spite of the people who post that that the Holy Spirit directed them in how to respond
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I would suggest that a lack of accountability with regards to humbling ourselves both before God and man results in a lack of credibility
To believe and teach others we do not need to ask for forgiveness..and I have seen that expressed in the BDF in those exact words..means you do not believe what Jesus taught.
it's that simple
To believe and teach others we do not need to ask for forgiveness..and I have seen that expressed in the BDF in those exact words..means you do not believe what Jesus taught.
it's that simple
I know right? the title of this thread is "10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!", now they make it out like it's way off base to conclude that Ben is speaking directly against confession. Which I want to be super clear I do NOT believe we "have to" confess, it's just in my walk, and my in experience I do. My biggest misunderstanding in this whole matter is why are you even worried about people confessing to God, I just don't understand why anyone would look for scripture saying we don't have to confess, which I believe anyway. I guess my biggest question to Ben about this OP is why do you focus so much on this issue, you come across like completely anti-confession, but the peanut crew comes in and assures us this is not what you believe. Well please clear it up Ben, not ANYONE else, please ben, can you please tell me what your mission against confession is? If you're not on a "mission against confession", then it may help to stop posting threads with titles like "10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!", when the bible clearly describes confession to God a good thing. Thanks.