10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

[Ugly]

Thank you for your reply. Is this practice common among Bible Christians? I have always thought you confessed directly to God. I can agree that confession is good for the soul.

This sort of confession is more of an "iron sharpens iron" thing and is not to be confused with confessing to God.
I can't speak for the experiences of the posted but what I see is more Christians are afraid to confess sins due to a legitimate fear of judgment and ridicule.
And many times those that do confess are seeking justification rather than assistance.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Literally you can go down a list of 59 translations and they all say forgive...(https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ephesians 4:32).

Even so, what did God grant to us in Christ? FORGIVENESS, the remission of our sins.

This isn't the only verse stating we have forgiveness in Jesus Christ from God. Go back to the OP of this thread, there are many verses that explain exactly why we have the total forgiveness of sin through Christ.

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Ephesians 1:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;


Colossians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.


Colossians 1:13-14 King James Version (KJV)

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:


1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Colossians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV)

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Romans 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Really doesn't matter if every translation says forgive. The word can mean that, but it doesn't have to.

I'm looking through every verse you listed and about half of them use χαρίζομαι, and in none of them is the real word for forgive (ἀφίημι) in the past tense, i.e., were forgiven. Not trying to give you a hard time, just doing a study.

 

[BenFTW]

Really doesn't matter if every translation says forgive. The word can mean that, but it doesn't have to.

I'm looking through every verse you listed and about half of them use χαρίζομαι, and in none of them is the real word for forgive (ἀφίημι) in the past tense, i.e., were forgiven. Not trying to give you a hard time, just doing a study.

Thats cool HeRoseFromTheDead. I mean, we are presently forgiven so maybe that has something to do with it?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thats cool HeRoseFromTheDead. I mean, we are presently forgiven so maybe that has something to do with it?

There's no question that we have total and complete forgiveness in Christ. Just looking at how scripture witnesses to the expression "sins were forgiven".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you for your reply. Is this practice common among Bible Christians? I have always thought you confessed directly to God. I can agree that confession is good for the soul.

No, sadly not grew up in a traditional church, and they nevermdid this, they had no discileship, i just wonder, would i habe been a stronger christian if they did.it is,sad the church misses this major aspect of spiritual growth , many churches has no issue pushing laws and judging people but have no concept of discipleship and helping them live in a way which fulfill thesei laws

 

[JGIG]

Yes, we can be merciful to people's ignorance. This is a good point. On the other hand, some people come out swinging not desiring to come to a place of unity and agreement. This doesn't have to be me versus them, we can be in it together coming to an understanding of the truth.

I totally love it when you just ask people to 'let us reason'.

That's all we're really asking.

We can disagree, and that's fine.

But some here say, "I disagree because . . . Hyper-Grace!!!", or "I disagree because . . . Gnosticism!!!", or WOF or whatever.

Just bring contextual Scripture and 'let us reason'.

They don't want to discuss anything, they just want to shut down anyone they disagree with.


-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Let's look at it this way. See if you agree with this.

Forgiveness of all sin so that we don't ever incur GOD's wrath occurred at the cross. That is covered when we are baptized into Christ. Those who remain in Christ are safe, just as those in Egypt who remained in their blood protected houses were safe from the death angel.

Forgiveness of sins we might commit after that point do not cause us to incur GOD's wrath, but they do impact us. The forgiveness is there and waiting, but we have to turn away from our sin and acknowledge it to receive that forgiveness.

I do understand what you're saying, but can find no Scripture to back it up.

Scripture says that the wages of sin is death.

I agree that sin affects us - choosing sin is dumb and destructive, but if we're not forgiven for all sins (past, present, future), Scripturally death is the penalty, not 'acknowledgment'.

-JGIG

 

[BenFTW]

I do understand what you're saying, but can find no Scripture to back it up.

Scripture says that the wages of sin is death.

I agree that sin affects us - choosing sin is dumb and destructive, but if we're not forgiven for all sins (past, present, future), Scripturally death is the penalty, not 'acknowledgment'.

-JGIG

This is why in my defense of the total forgiveness of sin (and the redundancy of sin confession for forgiveness) I state how sin experiences remission according to God's word. Through the shedding of blood. In our case, through the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ).

 

[JGIG]

This is why in my defense of the total forgiveness of sin (and the redundancy of sin confession for forgiveness) I state how sin experiences remission according to God's word. Through the shedding of blood. In our case, through the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ).

Yes, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin, so if all sin was not dealt with at the Cross (all sins after the Cross being in the future), we're ALL SUNK, because Jesus is NOT coming back to shed His Blood again!

That is a HUGE point in this discussion that cannot be (but is) overlooked.

-JGIG

 

[BenFTW]

This is why in my defense of the total forgiveness of sin (and the redundancy of sin confession for forgiveness) I state how sin experiences remission according to God's word. Through the shedding of blood. In our case, through the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ).

Which means all sin that we will ever commit as a Christian has experienced remission (or if you prefer, will experience remission the moment it is committed being washed in the blood of Christ). If sin experiences remission through bloodshed, and we have sins that are not forgiven/remitted then scripture is plain on this issue. Christ would have had to suffer since the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 9:22-28 King James Version (KJV)

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

If we look at verse 25, "nor yet that he should offer himself often", it explicitly states that He will not sacrifice Himself often. He did it once (verse 28), one offering for all sin. So we through Christ's bloodshed, have the remission of our sins. We have no sin on our account that Christ's blood hasn't remitted, because He paid the penalty for all sin.

 

[JGIG]

Actually Ben I believe a person's sins are completely forgiven when a person is baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ. That IMO is when a person enters into covenant with GOD and is circumcised in the heart. Then all he has to do is remain in Christ until the end. Sin caused by walking outside of Christ needs to be forsaken and a return to Christ be made.

How do you 'return' to Christ Who has promised to never leave or forsake you?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Being at odds with Christ would be when someone is walking contrary to GOD's will.

Revelation 2 talks about 3 churches that Jesus held their sins against them and he uttered some consequences if they didn't repent.

I believe that true believers will repent and return.

What does this passage mean, then?

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. (from 2 Cor. 5)​

-JGIG

 

[BenFTW]

No I don't agree. Seeking forgiveness we have in Christ is essential to keeping us whole and steadily on the path to life. IMO you treat sin so lightly, as if it's just a bad thought that simply needs to be banished away.

I don't understand your logic. We have forgiveness in Christ, but we must seek this forgiveness? Where do you find this example in the OT (sacrificial system) as a shadow for what is found in Christ? Was not the sacrifice itself sufficient, for sin? Sin being imputed and righteousness being imputed, penalty being paid and reconciliation being made? Where do you find this concept of seeking forgiveness from God after remission has been granted?

 

[JGIG]

In the Bible, 'repent' is often paired with the phrase 'and turn' or 'be converted'. Two separate things - one is the change of mind and heart that allows for the turning to or from something or someone. It really is no more complicated than that. You are adding meaning to the Greek word that appears and is translated as 'repent'.

IF your added-to construction is accurate, then you would have to say that when God repented (Gen. 6:6 and Ex 32:14), that He had to turn away from idols and turn to Himself. Even the OT definition translated as 'repent' speaks only of a change of mind/heart/regret and even has an element of comfort:

Strong's H5162 - nacham נָחַם

to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

1. (Niphal)
   1. to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion
   2. to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to comfort oneself, ease oneself
2. (Piel) to comfort, console
3. (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled
4. (Hithpael)
   1. to be sorry, have compassion
   2. to rue, repent of
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to ease oneself

So if we're going to talk about how 'repent' applies in Scripture, we must be consistent. The meaning is consistent; context is consistent - for both God and man. 'Turn' is a different word, with a different meaning, and is in addition to/often a result of one's repentance.

I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.


-JGIG

If you count the four gospels all saying the same thing, yes. Just because it's used with those phrases doesn't take away from it's meaning to the church:
Acts 8:13 (KJV)
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts 8:18-24 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, [SUP]19 [/SUP] Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. [SUP]20 [/SUP] But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. [SUP]21 [/SUP] Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. [SUP]22 [/SUP] Repent(3340) therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. [SUP]23 [/SUP] For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. [SUP]24 [/SUP] Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Romans 2:1-12 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP] But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP] And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance(3340)? [SUP]5 [/SUP] But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; [SUP]6 [/SUP] Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [SUP]7 [/SUP] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: [SUP]8 [/SUP] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [SUP]9 [/SUP] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [SUP]10 [/SUP] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [SUP]11 [/SUP] For there is no respect of persons with God. [SUP]12 [/SUP] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

2 Corinthians 7:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. [SUP]9 [/SUP] Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance(3341): for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

2 Corinthians 12:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: [SUP]21 [/SUP] And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented(3340) of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[HR][/HR]2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

All of these are directed to the church, not the sinner.


Actually, N6 didn't use the OT definition at all, which means this whole 2nd half is a strawman argument.

If you know so much about the Bible, why do you choose to use deceptive tactics?

N6 was talking about the Biblical definition of repent. The OT is in the Bible, yes? And the argument has been that when the word 'repent' is used that it means to turn away from sin and to God. Yet God repented. So there is a flaw in that reasoning, and I was just pointing that out. The fact remains that the Biblical definition of repent is to change one's mind/heart, often with an element of remorse/sorrowfullness, which is often FOLLOWED by an action, either a turning toward or away from something, or an exhortation to do so. But repentance is a separate thing.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

No I don't agree. Seeking forgiveness we have in Christ is essential to keeping us whole and steadily on the path to life. IMO you treat sin so lightly, as if it's just a bad thought that simply needs to be banished away.

You say the wages of sin is confession and repentance - sin, confess, repent, rinse and repeat.

The Bible says that the wages of sin is death.

Who's taking sin more seriously?

-JGIG

 

[BenFTW]

You say the wages of sin is confession and repentance - sin, confess, repent, rinse and repeat.

The Bible says that the wages of sin is death.

Who's taking sin more seriously?

-JGIG

Nice, that is a good way of looking at it.

 

[JGIG]

confusing guilt/sin/forgiveness with eternal life is ridiculous and illustrates a lack of comprehension

we are not guilty but forgiven

people refuse to see what John writes and seem to be afraid of loosing salvation and confuse issues that illustrate a personal bias and I believe also fear

as God's love casts out fear, why constantly mock and belittle people who simply point out the truth of scripture?

some here go out of their way to do it and can be found in threads that are not even about their inner conflict and they will misrepresent what is being said and then assume a superior air with the lol's and name calling

So the wages of sin is . . . . what, exactly?

 

[BenFTW]

It is an interesting ploy to make it seem as if forgiveness is ours in Christ but must be applied (per sin). As if forgiveness is available (by His sacrifice) but isn't ours truly, until we confess our sins and repent of them (as believers, so they say). The problem with this line of thought is that it isn't biblical. It goes contrary to the sacrificial system that was a shadow of Christ and His atonement.

[video=youtube;G_OlRWGLdnw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_OlRWGLdnw[/video]

As you can see when it comes to the sacrificial system, the remission of sins was, in fact, immediate and automated. When an animal was sacrificed the sin was imputed to it (just like Christ on the cross) and then righteousness was imputed to the person making the offering (as Christ has imputed His righteousness to us).

Hence, forgiveness isn't something sought after sin has experienced remission by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. It is the present day case for believers (that we are forgiven) because we have Jesus Christ, who is the last and eternal sacrifice for sin, and having resurrected He lives on forever with an eternal priesthood. So no longer are sacrifices necessary for forgiveness, because Jesus is the sacrifice for sin forever. We by the blood of Jesus are forgiven, our sins remitted, and we are reconciled to God, forevermore.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is an interesting ploy to make it seem as if forgiveness is ours in Christ but must be applied (per sin). As if forgiveness is available (by His sacrifice) but isn't ours truly, until we confess our sins and repent of them (as believers, so they say).

Ben,

You still don't get it, and that comes from listening to and believing false teachers.

ALL SINS WERE PAID FOR (ATONED FOR) AT THE CROSS -- TRUE

ALL SINS WERE AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN AT THE CROSS -- FALSE

1. Unless sinners obey the Gospel their sins are not remitted and they are under wrath.

2. Unless saints deal with their present sins, they remain out of fellowship with God and other Christians, and also face serious consequences, up to premature death.

 

[BenFTW]

Ben,

You still don't get it, and that comes from listening to and believing false teachers.

ALL SINS WERE PAID FOR (ATONED FOR) AT THE CROSS -- TRUE

ALL SINS WERE AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN AT THE CROSS -- FALSE

1. Unless sinners obey the Gospel their sins are not remitted and they are under wrath.

2. Unless saints deal with their present sins, they remain out of fellowship with God and other Christians, and also face serious consequences, up to premature death.

Where have I stated that sinners, those condemned because they are outside of Christ, are not to repent? What do I not get? Also, I have already stated the importance of repentance, holiness, and righteousness for the believer. This is about understanding the total forgiveness of sin that believers have as a result of Christ's shed blood (the means by which sin is remitted, through the shedding of blood).

I would retort, respectfully, what don't you get?