10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!
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I mean when we sin we ask for forgiveness by saying I'm sorry Lord...I didn't mean to do that and need you to please help me not to do that again....
I may just be totally confused with what others are saying...It sounds like a bunch of double talk...All I'm hearing, is we don't have to repent Jesus already forgave us so all is well... we probably should feel sorry for it but we don't have to ask for forgiveness...It's already been forgave.
How can you learn and grow if you don't deal with (repent from) sin?
That makes no sense to me at all.
I may just be totally confused with what others are saying...It sounds like a bunch of double talk...All I'm hearing, is we don't have to repent Jesus already forgave us so all is well... we probably should feel sorry for it but we don't have to ask for forgiveness...It's already been forgave.
How can you learn and grow if you don't deal with (repent from) sin?
That makes no sense to me at all.
So what happens to the sinner at the time of conversion if he/she forgets to confess some of the sins committed? Does God hold that against them and send them away?
Please note the following verses:
Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The sinner confesses homologeó (agrees with God's Word) that Jesus Christ is Lord and believes in his/her heart that God raised Him from the dead.
The sinner is not required to confess his/her sin. The sinner is to confess the One Who releases us from the bondage of sin.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
My understanding of 1 John 1:9 is that after a person is born again and he/she sins, he/she is to confess homologeó (agree with God's Word) that sin has occurred.
We may not sin willfully, but we know when we have drifted from intimate fellowship with Father. Our hearts are not settled, we are not at peace, we are not joyful, etc. God has a way of letting us know when we have turned from Him. So we examine ourselves and maybe we see where we turned (and maybe we don't see where the turning occurred, but we know in our heart of hearts that we turned). Let God know that we understand we turned. He is faithful and just. He forgives.
So what happens if we don't acknowledge? Does that mean we are no longer born again? No longer sons of God? No. It just means we have turned from God and we are wandering. And as in the parable, the Shepherd leaves the ninety and nine and goes after the lost. He finds us and lays us on His shoulders and brings us back to the fold.
Hebrews 12 speaks of the chastening of the Father. That's another thing God works in our lives. He chastens us because we are His children (Heb 12:7) and the chastening is not pleasant but needful and as we endure the chastening, the result is the peaceable fruit of righteousness (Heb 12:11).
Please note the following verses:
Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The sinner confesses homologeó (agrees with God's Word) that Jesus Christ is Lord and believes in his/her heart that God raised Him from the dead.
The sinner is not required to confess his/her sin. The sinner is to confess the One Who releases us from the bondage of sin.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
My understanding of 1 John 1:9 is that after a person is born again and he/she sins, he/she is to confess homologeó (agree with God's Word) that sin has occurred.
We may not sin willfully, but we know when we have drifted from intimate fellowship with Father. Our hearts are not settled, we are not at peace, we are not joyful, etc. God has a way of letting us know when we have turned from Him. So we examine ourselves and maybe we see where we turned (and maybe we don't see where the turning occurred, but we know in our heart of hearts that we turned). Let God know that we understand we turned. He is faithful and just. He forgives.
So what happens if we don't acknowledge? Does that mean we are no longer born again? No longer sons of God? No. It just means we have turned from God and we are wandering. And as in the parable, the Shepherd leaves the ninety and nine and goes after the lost. He finds us and lays us on His shoulders and brings us back to the fold.
Hebrews 12 speaks of the chastening of the Father. That's another thing God works in our lives. He chastens us because we are His children (Heb 12:7) and the chastening is not pleasant but needful and as we endure the chastening, the result is the peaceable fruit of righteousness (Heb 12:11).
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]confess” is word #G3670 ὁμολογέω homologeo (ho-mo-lo-ǰe'-ō) v.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. to affirm., 2. to admit, acknowledge., 3. (specially) to confess (guilt)., [from a compound of the base of G3674 and G3056], KJV: con- (pro-)fess, confession is made, give thanks, promise , Root(s): G3674, G3056
not confessing/acknowledging sin before Yah leads to one not evencaring they have transgressed.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
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It should be understood that when I say "sin confession" I am referring to the practice of sin confession for forgiveness. I am not dismissing sin confession in terms of honing up to our wrongs, being open with the Lord, and asking Him to help us in a troubled area.
Saying sorry comes from our heart, and repenting is our response to turn from sin as God brings us to the revelation that we are no longer slaves to sin. We repent by agreeing with God about our sin, in all aspects, and the fact that He desires for us to repent is in and of itself testament that we do not have to be under its dominion. Praise the Lord.
Saying sorry comes from our heart, and repenting is our response to turn from sin as God brings us to the revelation that we are no longer slaves to sin. We repent by agreeing with God about our sin, in all aspects, and the fact that He desires for us to repent is in and of itself testament that we do not have to be under its dominion. Praise the Lord.
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Okay lets back up, I am glad you do believe righteousness is imputed and yes I agree it is credited to one's account.
I have not read anyone redefine repent to mean changing one's mind towards an awareness of being perfected.
In the fullness of the term to repent, change one's mind (metanoia) does not mean to feel sorry for your sins at all, it IS a call to believe in the cross of Christ as the only way to salvation, a partial attempt at being good and following the law is not sufficient to save, one needs the full redemptive work of Jesus.
Again you misrepresent, it is a focusing on the righteousness of Jesus!! We keep our eyes on Him, He is the remedy for sin not our sense of contrition and sorrow.
Please do not twist the teaching.
It is not that we do not acknowledge sin before God, it is that we do not do so for the obtainment of forgiveness. Look at the OP as to why. We have forgiveness from God the Father for Christ's sake. To seek forgiveness is to ignore what Jesus has accomplished on our behalf (and there is no other way around it).
Just because a person doesn't confess their sin in order to obtain forgiveness doesn't mean they are against repentance. Repentance is still a part of our walk of sanctification and walking in the will of God for our lives. Sin confession as a believer is not for the sake of forgiveness but transparency. God already sees all things, being omniscient, but it is because there is no condemnation that we may be open about such shortcomings, not being condemned, and may have confidence towards God. We desire righteousness, so it is no shame to have no closed doors before God, asking Him to cleanse (sanctify) us.
Just because a person doesn't confess their sin in order to obtain forgiveness doesn't mean they are against repentance. Repentance is still a part of our walk of sanctification and walking in the will of God for our lives. Sin confession as a believer is not for the sake of forgiveness but transparency. God already sees all things, being omniscient, but it is because there is no condemnation that we may be open about such shortcomings, not being condemned, and may have confidence towards God. We desire righteousness, so it is no shame to have no closed doors before God, asking Him to cleanse (sanctify) us.
Who has stated that they have no sin? This seems to often be the accusation, but where do you see such proclamations? While we may yet have sin, as John says, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1 John 2:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
This is how sin is forgiven through Jesus Christ. He is our High Priest, and the sacrifice as well. It is through His blood shed that we have experienced the remission of our sins.
What needs to be clearly understood is that we are in the light (Christ) and walking there we are cleansed of all sin. This is not saying we have no sin, this is saying that through Christ our sin has been paid in full (through His sacrifice) and we are then forgiven having experienced the remission of our sins (by His blood).
1 John 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
No one is saying to not forsake sin, for how can we who are dead to it live therein (Romans 6:1-4)? We all believe in repentance, walking righteously (do not be deceived the righteous walk in righteousness, 1 John 3:7), and approaching the throne of grace in time of need. God's grace is not a license to sin, for under it sin does not have dominion (Romans 6:14).
1 John 2:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
This is how sin is forgiven through Jesus Christ. He is our High Priest, and the sacrifice as well. It is through His blood shed that we have experienced the remission of our sins.
What needs to be clearly understood is that we are in the light (Christ) and walking there we are cleansed of all sin. This is not saying we have no sin, this is saying that through Christ our sin has been paid in full (through His sacrifice) and we are then forgiven having experienced the remission of our sins (by His blood).
1 John 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
No one is saying to not forsake sin, for how can we who are dead to it live therein (Romans 6:1-4)? We all believe in repentance, walking righteously (do not be deceived the righteous walk in righteousness, 1 John 3:7), and approaching the throne of grace in time of need. God's grace is not a license to sin, for under it sin does not have dominion (Romans 6:14).
why do certain people work so hard at trying to make scripture say things it never said
just throw out the Bible already and right your own
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is that what it is
just throw out the Bible already and right your own
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is that what it is
Yet, as we know, it is Christ and Him crucified. Salvation is a gift, not a wage due (Ephesians 2:8). The idea that we must confess our sin in order to be forgiven directly puts salvation in our hands, thereby no longer validating the truth that we are saved by grace through faith. Rather salvation under such a belief system makes us account managers, keeping things under watch, and all things must be balanced. No longer would it be Christ and Him crucified, but salvation would depend upon our transparency before God (something we ought to be anyways).
This is a matter of faith, not works. We are forgiven, this we believe. We do not seek (work) for it by some practice. A healthy practice if indeed it understands that we are forgiven already, there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ, and we wish to put before God areas that grieve us (desiring to walk in victory). It is a matter of perspective, and perspective matters.
We are discussing the Gospel, and the forgiveness of sin as a result of such good news (Christ's sacrifice and resurrection). This isn't the topic which you have mentioned, but rather a discussion of whether sin confession for forgiveness is valid, or goes contrary to what Jesus has done through His work. In essence, why seek for that which has already been granted? It is ours through Christ. This does not eliminate the need for repentance though, or approaching the throne of grace in time of need.
I was thinking of the Hebrews verse:
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
To come boldly before the throne is to come with freedom of speech. We have a High Priest Who was tempted in all points like as we are (yet without sin). Because of this, we can freely speak before the throne of grace in order that we may obtain mercy and grace in time of need (including when we do screw up).
This all comes about through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to do what Adam and Eve did and try to hide from God, or cover up our shortcomings. He knows our failings.
I love Psalm 103 and there are a couple of verses that also came to mind Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust (vss 13,14).
He knows what we're made of. He knows our weaknesses and limitations. He loves us in spite of our failings and He begs us to come to Him, open our hearts and talk to Him, so that He can apply that healing balm of forgiveness, grace, mercy, love. Our hearts can quickly become hardened as we live our lives in a world that is at enmity with God and all that He is. That also affects us and draws our eyes away from the Lord. God has made a way for us to come to Him, lay bare our hearts before Him and He then applies the mercy and grace we so desperately need.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
To come boldly before the throne is to come with freedom of speech. We have a High Priest Who was tempted in all points like as we are (yet without sin). Because of this, we can freely speak before the throne of grace in order that we may obtain mercy and grace in time of need (including when we do screw up).
This all comes about through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to do what Adam and Eve did and try to hide from God, or cover up our shortcomings. He knows our failings.
I love Psalm 103 and there are a couple of verses that also came to mind Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust (vss 13,14).
He knows what we're made of. He knows our weaknesses and limitations. He loves us in spite of our failings and He begs us to come to Him, open our hearts and talk to Him, so that He can apply that healing balm of forgiveness, grace, mercy, love. Our hearts can quickly become hardened as we live our lives in a world that is at enmity with God and all that He is. That also affects us and draws our eyes away from the Lord. God has made a way for us to come to Him, lay bare our hearts before Him and He then applies the mercy and grace we so desperately need.
Beautifully said! People must understand that if our sins were to be held against us, we wouldn't even be able to approach the throne of grace! There would be condemnation. However, because Christ has granted us the forgiveness of sin and God has extended grace and mercy to us, we may approach Him without condemnation. We are reconciled to God, and the veil (the barrier between us and God) has been torn.
It is good to know that when we approach God, and we express our apologies to Him (for example, having to put up with us and He is patient), it is not seeking forgiveness but He will express that we are indeed forgiven. That truth that He condemns us not, that He loves us, embraces us, understands us, and that His grace is sufficient for us sets us free from guilt and condemnation. We feel renewed, strengthened by the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
As we continue to see the riches of His grace, there is a reciprocity at work. The more we know of His love, the greater our love for Him expands and deepens.
It is good to know that when we approach God, and we express our apologies to Him (for example, having to put up with us and He is patient), it is not seeking forgiveness but He will express that we are indeed forgiven. That truth that He condemns us not, that He loves us, embraces us, understands us, and that His grace is sufficient for us sets us free from guilt and condemnation. We feel renewed, strengthened by the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
As we continue to see the riches of His grace, there is a reciprocity at work. The more we know of His love, the greater our love for Him expands and deepens.