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...and have no confidence in the flesh (in things other than the Cross, which alone is the guarantee of Salvation and Victory. Philippians 3:3


​How does the Believer accomplish this?
 
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Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
 
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Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death


The fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto his death = the cross of Christ.

Please note vs 10 also encourages us to know the power of His resurrection.

 
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No Believer, can live a life of victory by depending on his own strength, whether he does so ignorantly or otherwise. Even Paul could not do such, even as Romans Chapter 7 outlines. It is all by Faith in Christ and what He did at the Cross.

When I talk about placing your Faith in Christ, they understand that. When I talk about placing your Faith in the Cross, 99% on this form don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. They think you are talking about a wooden beam...it is the same with most Christians.
 
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When I talk about placing your Faith in Christ, they understand that. When I talk about placing your Faith in the Cross, 99% on this form don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. They think you are talking about a wooden beam...it is the same with most Christians.
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Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death


The fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto his death = the cross of Christ.

Please note vs 10 also encourages us to know the power of His resurrection.

​Conformable unto His death is literally being Baptized into the death of Christ, in effect, "crucified with Christ" (Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:3).
 
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​Conformable unto His death is literally being Baptized into the death of Christ, in effect, "crucified with Christ" (Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:3).

The Believer is to remain there all the days of his life, and I speak of being "in Christ," which includes not only His Death, but as well, His burial, Resurrection, and Exaltation (Rom. 6:3-5; Eph. 2:6).

 
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Conformable unto His death is literally being Baptized into the death of Christ, in effect, "crucified with Christ" (Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:3).
The Believer is to remain there all the days of his life, and I speak of being "in Christ," which includes not only His Death, but as well, His burial, Resurrection, and Exaltation (Rom. 6:3-5; Eph. 2:6).
You claim that when you speak of being "in Christ" you refer "not only His death, but as well, His burial, Resurrection, and Exaltation", but that is not what comes across in your posts.

For the most part your posts leave Christ on the cross. The crucifixion points to the sufferings of Christ and His humiliation (He "despised the shame" according to Heb 12:2).

Jesus knew His Father would raise Him up on the third day. He had that promise and He held to it even as He was led away to be crucified.

And we are to reckon ourselves buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin (Rom 6:4,5).

We are crucified with Christ in order that we can overcome sin (not serve sin) and thereby we walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4).


Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

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...and have no confidence in the flesh (in things other than the Cross, which alone is the guarantee of Salvation and Victory. Philippians 3:3


How does the Believer accomplish this?
How does the believer accomplish this? Start by not adding to Scripture.
 
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You claim that when you speak of being "in Christ" you refer "not only His death, but as well, His burial, Resurrection, and Exaltation", but that is not what comes across in your posts.

For the most part your posts leave Christ on the cross. The crucifixion points to the sufferings of Christ and His humiliation (He "despised the shame" according to Heb 12:2).

Jesus knew His Father would raise Him up on the third day. He had that promise and He held to it even as He was led away to be crucified.

And we are to reckon ourselves buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin (Rom 6:4,5).

We are crucified with Christ in order that we can overcome sin (not serve sin) and thereby we walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4).


Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


We must never separate Christ from His finished work or the finished work from Christ. Of course, we know that Jesus is no longer on the Cross. In fact, He is presently in Heaven, seated by the right hand of the Father (Eph. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). What we are actually talking about are the results of the Cross; the results of the Blood of Jesus; the results of the Finished Work at Calvary's Cross.

There is only one way of Victory, and that's Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross. If we try to divorce Christ from the Cross, which men are attempting to do today, then we have "another Jesus," "another gospel," another Spirit" (2 Cor. 11:4).

JSM

 

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...and have no confidence in the flesh (in things other than the Cross, which alone is the guarantee of Salvation and Victory. Philippians 3:3


​How does the Believer accomplish this?
Simple don't rely on anything of yourself rely solely on him, I have no confidence in my flesh but only because I was made weak in this world. From the beginning of my life even compared to other people I have only known weakness in every sense of the word I have known weakness but it's specifically because I have known only weakness that I recognize true strength- his strength. And it's because I am so weak and because of how amazingly strong he is that all things are possible.
 

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There is only one way of Victory, and that's Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross.
Christians cannot omit or ignore the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit at the same time. And the gift of the Holy Spirit is a result of the finished work of Christ on the Cross. We need to keep everything in proper balance and in proper perspective.
 
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...and have no confidence in the flesh (in things other than the Cross, which alone is the guarantee of Salvation and Victory. Philippians 3:3


​How does the Believer accomplish this?
Receive and rely on the circumcision done by God, not by the hands of men:

"nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29...circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."-Romans 2:28-29
 
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"they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.
14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[SUP]a[/SUP] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.
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Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule"-Galatians 6:13-16


Put your confidence in the cross and circumcision by the Spirit, not in external religious works in the flesh.
 
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...and have no confidence in the flesh (in things other than the Cross, which alone is the guarantee of Salvation and Victory. Philippians 3:3


​How does the Believer accomplish this?
It means he must not live by the flesh as mentioned in Galatians Chapter 5.

What are the works of the flesh that you should not do? then read verses 19-21.

Live by the spirit in Galatians Chapter 5 means you will live according to Jesus' teachings because his words he had spoken are spirit (John 6:63)

And Jesus teachings' were taught by his Father God in John Chapter 12:49. so Jesus' teachings are Words of God.

The answer to your question is live according to the words of God as taught by Jesus. do not live by the works of the flesh.

 
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It means he must not live by the flesh as mentioned in Galatians Chapter 5.

What are the works of the flesh that you should not do? then read verses 19-21.

Live by the spirit in Galatians Chapter 5 means you will live according to Jesus' teachings because his words he had spoken are spirit (John 6:63)

And Jesus teachings' were taught by his Father God in John Chapter 12:49. so Jesus' teachings are Words of God.

The answer to your question is live according to the words of God as taught by Jesus. do not live by the works of the flesh.

It can only be accomplished by the Believer placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was WON. We then receive the help of the Holy spirit who works between the parameters of Christ (who He is), and the Cross (what He has done), i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. the Holy Spirit does all that needs to be done. NO BORN AGAIN BELIEVER CAN MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THEIR OWN FLESH...WHICH MOST TRY AND DO!
 
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It can only be accomplished by the Believer placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was WON. We then receive the help of the Holy spirit who works between the parameters of Christ (who He is), and the Cross (what He has done), i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. the Holy Spirit does all that needs to be done. NO BORN AGAIN BELIEVER CAN MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THEIR OWN FLESH...WHICH MOST TRY AND DO!

The Holy Spirit works in the Believer by line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little (Isaiah 28:10).

The Apostle Paul said, " According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-11).

As we grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (
2 Peter 3:18), we must remember our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 6:19). There can be no works in the temple. Only the Finished Work of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can be added by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:18).

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (
John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (
Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (
Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (
Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

As we study the House of the Lord, the Temple that Solomon built (Type); all construction of the Temple were finished at a quarry, so there was no sound of hammer, ax, or any other iron tool heard in the House, while it was in building (
1 Kings 6:7). The same with us, there must be no labor inside the Temple where the Holy Ghost dwells inside of us. Only the Finished Work that was done at the Calvary's Cross can be added to the Believer. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Quiet please!
 
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There is only one way of Victory, and that's Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross. If we try to divorce Christ from the Cross, which men are attempting to do today, then we have "another Jesus," "another gospel," another Spirit" (2 Cor. 11:4).
To preach the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is preaching "another Jesus"?

To preach the ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven is preaching "another gospel"?

To preach the giving of the Holy Spirit on Day of Pentecost is preaching "another Spirit"?



Jesus told His disciples that He would be resurrected from the dead.


Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said.



Jesus told His disciples that He would go away.


John 16:4-5 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?



Jesus told His disciples He had to go away so the Comforter (Holy Spirit) could come:


John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 
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To preach the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is preaching "another Jesus"?

To preach the ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven is preaching "another gospel"?

To preach the giving of the Holy Spirit on Day of Pentecost is preaching "another Spirit"?



Jesus told His disciples that He would be resurrected from the dead.


Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said.



Jesus told His disciples that He would go away.


John 16:4-5 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?



Jesus told His disciples He had to go away so the Comforter (Holy Spirit) could come:


John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

As it regards the Cross of Christ versus the Resurrection, the great Apostle said:

“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ should be made of none effect” (1 Cor.1:17). If it is to be noticed, he did not say.“lest the Resurrection of Christ should be made of none effect.”



He also said, “For the preaching (Word) of the Cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are Saved it is the Power of God.” (1 Cor.1:18). He did not say, “For the preaching of the Resurrection is to them….”



The great Apostle also said, “But we preach Christ Crucified” (1 Cor. 1:23). He did not say, as it regards the Atonement,“We preach Christ Resurrected…”



Of course, Paul preached the Resurrection of Christ, even as Chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians bears out, but not as the Atonement.



He also stated to the Church at Corinth and to all others as well, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified” (1 Cor. 2:2). He did not say, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Resurrected…”



He also stated, “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ…” (Gal. 6:14). He did not say,“But God forbid that I should glory, save in the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ…”


As I have stated before on other discussions, while the Resurrection, and the Ascension, and the Exaltation of Christ were of extreme significance, these three tremendous attributes were the result of the Atonement, i.e., “the Cross,” instead of the cause.

JSM