Do You Bank on the Bible as True?

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John146 said:
Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

NASB 2 Samuel 21:19 There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Did Elhanan kill Goliath or is the NASB lying? I thought David killed Goliath. The NASB parallel passage says Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath, therefore, the NASB contradicts itself and cannot be trusted.

NASB 1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
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interesting

i didnt compare every single word or every single chapter

i did a few chapters just to see if the same actual message is being shown (mainly the from NT and the book of job)


however...

lol david did kill goliath


maybe ill look into the nasb again in context and see whats being said there


(maybe id be in more of a hurry if it was something pertaining to the gospel of Jesus....or salvation)


that seems to be the battle God has wanted me to fight


those who preach the false doctrine that a born again adopted son of God can end up in the lake of fire through any means....

it just isnt the case
 
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mcubed said:
How many Books are the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d? There are 66 of them that make up the Bible. How many do you believe are G-d breathed? Talken' creation 6 days Genesis all the way to Revelation and if you alter one word.... all the plagues in the Book will be cast upon you.....



Is all Scripture the word of G-d? If not what parts should I believe? If not how do you choose what is? If parts are dead, I think some might say; did G-d die? Or is His Word not Him, alive, so it died but He did not?


I ask these questions because I want to understand how people think.... I honestly don't get anyone not believing the all 66 Books are alive, sharper than a two edged sword dividing the soul and marrow.....
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I believe that either the entire word of God is in fact the word of God himself or none of it is, if only part of it is true then it is imperfect and God is one of perfection and thus so is his word.
However I do understand how people can think only part of it is true. I mean for instance how could noah have two of every animal on earth in a single boat no matter how big? Or the fact there are dinosaur bones and yet we never read about them in the bible I mean a T rex alone is not something people can just see and not be eaten. There is speculation to try to explain these things like maybe the earth didn't have that many animals at that time and that also is what happened to the dinosaurs but it's really all it is we have no concrete scriptural evidence to actually prove any of that.

But that is why we live by faith, we believe in what we don't see and don't understand. I mean a lot of the things God said and told people didn't make sense and seemed insane yet every time people believed in him and accepted him at his word he did amazing things. It's a pattern that is etched all throughout the bible, God saying something or telling people to do something it not making any sense what so ever but when done is faith God shows his wonders. There is a reason the bible is not just ink and paper it doesn't make sense to the human brain because it's not for the human brain we are not meant to understand it with simple logic it requires eyes and a heart that can see both in logic and in blind faith because lets be honest the bible in many ways doesn't make sense and that is because God doesn't makes sense.

I mean no matter how long we get to know God he will remain a mystery to us because the depth of himself is endless and we cannot understand the things of God with out humanity intact. In the same way so is his word, we can study and read it and drink of it's amazing treasures for a million years and yet I guarantee you will still find hidden treasures in it. It is said that there is power in the word, that it is alive and breathing and that it holds the very power of God and the holy spirit in it's pages yet I wonder how many really believe this?
 
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Yes I do, every single word, period, comma, jot, and tittle.
 
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mcubed said:
How many Books are the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d? There are 66 of them that make up the Bible. How many do you believe are G-d breathed? Talken' creation 6 days Genesis all the way to Revelation and if you alter one word.... all the plagues in the Book will be cast upon you.....



Is all Scripture the word of G-d? If not what parts should I believe? If not how do you choose what is? If parts are dead, I think some might say; did G-d die? Or is His Word not Him, alive, so it died but He did not?


I ask these questions because I want to understand how people think.... I honestly don't get anyone not believing the all 66 Books are alive, sharper than a two edged sword dividing the soul and marrow.....
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There are parts of the Bible I believe are pure crap. The advice from Job's friends, for instance. :)
 
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John146 said:
Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

NASB 2 Samuel 21:19 There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Did Elhanan kill Goliath or is the NASB lying? I thought David killed Goliath. The NASB parallel passage says Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath, therefore, the NASB contradicts itself and cannot be trusted.

NASB 1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
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The KJV has inconsistencies and errors, as has been discussed EXTENSIVELY in other threads. Once again you are causing division unnecessarily by making narrow claims with partial evidence.

Why, for the love of God, can't you be content with your preference and leave others to theirs? Why must you continually bring strife and confusion?

This is NOT a simple issue adequately addressed by comparing single verses among various translations. Anyone swayed by such arguments is worse off for it.
 
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Numbers 3, the 3 family clans of the Levites are 7500, 8600, 6200. The bible says the sum is 22,000. This is the sum rounded to the nearest thousand but the accurate sum is 22300. Using the correct sum of 22300, the Levites owe 27 times 5 shekels but the bible's rounded sum of 22000, the first born sons pay 273 times 5 shekels.
My interpretation, this is prophecy of Levites cheating God's first born Son.
 
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Dino246 said:
The KJV has inconsistencies and errors, as has been discussed EXTENSIVELY in other threads. Once again you are causing division unnecessarily by making narrow claims with partial evidence.

Why, for the love of God, can't you be content with your preference and leave others to theirs? Why must you continually bring strife and confusion?

This is NOT a simple issue adequately addressed by comparing single verses among various translations. Anyone swayed by such arguments is worse off for it.
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Would you at least admit that the NASB is a false witness?

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Btw, notice the title of the thread. I did not come up with this thread, just responded. Don't I have that right? I would hope that if you believed you had the preserved word of God, you would stand up for it as well.
 
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There are parts of the Bible I believe are pure crap. The advice from Job's friends, for instance. :)
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Everything in the bible is truthfully stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. Cain killed his brother Abel but that does not mean that God condones murder.
 
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John146 said:
Would you at least admit that the NASB is a false witness?
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Perhaps... after you admit that the KJV is a false witness. One standard of measurement for all.
 
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Dino246 said:
Perhaps... after you admit that the KJV is a false witness. One standard of measurement for all.
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Standard of measurement is, a faithful witness will not lie. The NASB lied in 2 Samuel 21:19.
 
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John146 said:
Standard of measurement is, a faithful witness will not lie. The NASB lied in 2 Samuel 21:19.
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That's a single verse pulled out of context and applied where convenient. Get some integrity and stop attacking other translations.
 
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John146 said:
Would you at least admit that the NASB is a false witness?

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Btw, notice the title of the thread. I did not come up with this thread, just responded. Don't I have that right? I would hope that if you believed you had the preserved word of God, you would stand up for it as well.
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Honestly I sometimes think you purposely insert your kjv thing just to cause strife, I mean I don't understand how you and others who are kjv only people can always find a way to cause an argument about the kjv in any kind of thread. We could be debating about the holy spirit itself and somehow you guys always find a way to insert this annoyingly over used issue claiming to be doing it for the truth but you know the division it causes you know the arguments it makes and yet you guys always seem to do it anyways.

I mean if there was ever a constant trolling I would say it's the kjv only group
 
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Blain said:
Honestly I sometimes think you purposely insert your kjv thing just to cause strife, I mean I don't understand how you and others who are kjv only people can always find a way to cause an argument about the kjv in any kind of thread. We could be debating about the holy spirit itself and somehow you guys always find a way to insert this annoyingly over used issue claiming to be doing it for the truth but you know the division it causes you know the arguments it makes and yet you guys always seem to do it anyways.

I mean if there was ever a constant trolling I would say it's the kjv only group
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Thread: Do You Bank on the Bible as True?

Yes, I believe the Bible I use is true and others are false. I'm just responding to the thread. I am passionate about the word of God. I will not apologize for that.

I have responded to others threads, not just about the Bible version issue.
 
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Dino246 said:
That's a single verse pulled out of context and applied where convenient. Get some integrity and stop attacking other translations.
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Out of context? There is truth to be known in 2 Samuel 21:19. Please tell me, what's the context?

Again, the thread is, "Do you bank on the Bible is true?"
 
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John146 said:
Thread: Do You Bank on the Bible as True?

Yes, I believe the Bible I use is true
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You could have left it there. There was no need to add this...

John146 said:
and others are false.
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The second part it is quite unnecessary and, frankly, irrelevant to the thread. It's a deliberate attack. It amazes me that you are so quick to defend the KJV against perceived attacks (most of which aren't actually attacks), and yet so quick to attack other translations when nobody had "attacked" the KJV.
 
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John146 said:
Out of context? There is truth to be known in 2 Samuel 21:19. Please tell me, what's the context?

Again, the thread is, "Do you bank on the Bible is true?"
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If the bible is not true than really, what's the point?
 
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