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CS1

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I would like to update you all on the latest in California Assembly Bill 2943.

This bill will make the Bible and Christian chuches unauthorized to teach. preach, and use material for the purpose of

1. confession
2. conversion
3. speaking to anything that is against gay, transgender acceptance, here is aword from adear brother of mine below who sent this message to me before the voting of it.

"On the eve of the most dangerous law ever written against California believers—shocking silence has fallen on the church here. Look on Facebook. They are not even talking about it. Do you see a groundswell of action? Are state senators being flooded with calls and emails? Did your mega church even say anything about it yesterday? I am guessing nothing was said.

Don’t tell me I am writing too many warnings about this. Paul said in Acts 21: 31 “Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.” Like Paul, I am not going to stop warning you.

California Assembly Bill 2943 passed and has been sent to the State Senate for final approval. Jerry Brown has already said he would sign it into law if the Senate approves it. If he does it will be a point of no return.

Here is what the new law would do: It will prohibit resources concerning treatment or ministry in order to reduce or eliminate same sex attraction or gender dysphoria. Essentially, conferences, counseling, teaching, books, or publications, where money is exchanged for the resource, would be prohibited. This is dangerous.

Fully enforced, this law would ban the sale of Bibles in California. Moreover, this law is a gateway law—it will lead to even more laws that persecute Christian faith.

The Body of Christ, in the Golden State is in a do or die situation. Please don’t bend Bible verses out of context so you can bury your head in the sand. If you believe it can’t happen here, you are not only part of the problem, you are denying what Christians in other countries suffer. Other nations have had moments when the simple use of democracy would have prevented the loss of their freedoms.

Is there still hope to turn this crisis around? The answer is clear: there is only hope if we take action. Here is what I am asking you to do right now.

Understand the danger of this law and why you oppose it. This is vital so you can make sense to State Senators. You already see how California flouted the Constitution with their sanctuary law. This new law openly violates freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Use social media to get Christians in California to email and call their state senator. Even if you don’t live in California you can still contact those you do know. And you can pray. At the end of this blog you will see a link to contact the State Senate. Again, use your social media accounts to broadcast this urgent threat to the church. Share this blog with as many as possible.

My final words are to all voting age Christians in California: it is time to put aside every excuse. Don’t delay! I am not exaggerating…Assembly Bill 2943 that will lead to banning the Bible in California. WE MUST ACT BEFORE THURSDAY."

How long will it be before this comes to your State?

I have heard many Christians say to me " You can not legislate Morality ". I can tell you as a Minster of the Gospel I am not trying to do that, what I am doing is FIGHTING THE LEGISLATION OF IMMORLAITY !

That is the job of all Christian to Be light and salt..... what say you all ? Please pray for California,

thank you
 

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I would wonder if it is written in such a way that they are banning only those resources where money is exchanged; would a possible loophole around this simply be to not charge money for conferences, counselling ,teaching, and to rather distribute Bibles for free?
 

PennEd

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I would like to update you all on the latest in California Assembly Bill 2943.

This bill will make the Bible and Christian chuches unauthorized to teach. preach, and use material for the purpose of

1. confession
2. conversion
3. speaking to anything that is against gay, transgender acceptance, here is aword from adear brother of mine below who sent this message to me before the voting of it.

"On the eve of the most dangerous law ever written against California believers—shocking silence has fallen on the church here. Look on Facebook. They are not even talking about it. Do you see a groundswell of action? Are state senators being flooded with calls and emails? Did your mega church even say anything about it yesterday? I am guessing nothing was said.

Don’t tell me I am writing too many warnings about this. Paul said in Acts 21: 31 “Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.” Like Paul, I am not going to stop warning you.

California Assembly Bill 2943 passed and has been sent to the State Senate for final approval. Jerry Brown has already said he would sign it into law if the Senate approves it. If he does it will be a point of no return.

Here is what the new law would do: It will prohibit resources concerning treatment or ministry in order to reduce or eliminate same sex attraction or gender dysphoria. Essentially, conferences, counseling, teaching, books, or publications, where money is exchanged for the resource, would be prohibited. This is dangerous.

Fully enforced, this law would ban the sale of Bibles in California. Moreover, this law is a gateway law—it will lead to even more laws that persecute Christian faith.

The Body of Christ, in the Golden State is in a do or die situation. Please don’t bend Bible verses out of context so you can bury your head in the sand. If you believe it can’t happen here, you are not only part of the problem, you are denying what Christians in other countries suffer. Other nations have had moments when the simple use of democracy would have prevented the loss of their freedoms.

Is there still hope to turn this crisis around? The answer is clear: there is only hope if we take action. Here is what I am asking you to do right now.

Understand the danger of this law and why you oppose it. This is vital so you can make sense to State Senators. You already see how California flouted the Constitution with their sanctuary law. This new law openly violates freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Use social media to get Christians in California to email and call their state senator. Even if you don’t live in California you can still contact those you do know. And you can pray. At the end of this blog you will see a link to contact the State Senate. Again, use your social media accounts to broadcast this urgent threat to the church. Share this blog with as many as possible.

My final words are to all voting age Christians in California: it is time to put aside every excuse. Don’t delay! I am not exaggerating…Assembly Bill 2943 that will lead to banning the Bible in California. WE MUST ACT BEFORE THURSDAY."

How long will it be before this comes to your State?

I have heard many Christians say to me " You can not legislate Morality ". I can tell you as a Minster of the Gospel I am not trying to do that, what I am doing is FIGHTING THE LEGISLATION OF IMMORLAITY !

That is the job of all Christian to Be light and salt..... what say you all ? Please pray for California,

thank you
I know its easy for me, not in California, to say it's actually kinda exciting to see real opportunities to stand for the Lord and be persecuted, and I hope it doesn't happen, but it means we can be tested and suffer for the Word.
 

Locutus

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California Assembly Bill 2943 does not mention the Bible, Christianity, or religion at all, so when Allen claimed that the legislation would “literally” prohibit the sale of the Bible, he was stating something that is demonstrably and clearly false.

In reality the legislation, which was introduced in February 2018 by San Jose-based Democrat Evan Low, enhances California’s already-existing prohibition on “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), commonly known as “gay conversion therapy.” In 2012, the California Assembly passed Senate Bill 1172, which banned mental health professionals from performing SOCE on children under the age of 18.

The law defines SOCE as: “any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.”

Full text:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-bible-ban/

 

CS1

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California Assembly Bill 2943 does not mention the Bible, Christianity, or religion at all, so when Allen claimed that the legislation would “literally” prohibit the sale of the Bible, he was stating something that is demonstrably and clearly false.

In reality the legislation, which was introduced in February 2018 by San Jose-based Democrat Evan Low, enhances California’s already-existing prohibition on “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), commonly known as “gay conversion therapy.” In 2012, the California Assembly passed Senate Bill 1172, which banned mental health professionals from performing SOCE on children under the age of 18.

The law defines SOCE as: “any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.”

Full text:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-bible-ban/


well dear friend this is not from Travis Allen and you do know that Snopes is a left leading group that smear people.
and the language of sb 2943 is very clear in this area as shown by "Califonia family Council".

"The chair of the California LGBT Caucus recently introduced a bill to outlaw Christians and others with a Biblical view of sexuality from helping people with unwanted same-sex desires or gender identity confusion. Assemblyman Evan Low’s bill, AB 2943 , declares “advertising, offering to engage in, or engaging in sexual orientation change efforts with an individual” as illegal under state’s consumer fraud law.
The implications of this legislation spread far beyond regulating the type of counseling offered by licensed counselors, who are already banned from helping minors with unwanted same-sex attractions. Several legal experts have confirmed that this bill targets the ability of religious non-profits, churches, and pastors from teaching and practicing their faith regarding sexual orientation and gender.

“The language used in this bill casts a wide net calculated to entangle religious institutions and ministers,” said Kevin Snider, Chief Counsel Pacific Justice Institute. “Any exchange of money for goods or services that provide a biblical perspective on the power of the Gospel to deliver from certain types of sexual sin springs the law and entraps the ministry.”

The bill would also ban books from being sold in California that tell people to trust in the power of Jesus Christ and His Gospel to help them change their same-sex attraction or gender dysphoria, according to Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF).


“California AB 2943 makes it unlawful for any person to sell books, counseling services, or anything else that helps someone overcome unwanted same-sex attraction or gender identity confusion,” said ADF Attorney Matt Sharp. “As a result, it could be a violation if a pastor encourages a congregant to visit the church book store to purchase books that help people address sexual issues, perhaps including the Bible itself, which teaches about the importance of sexual purity within the confines of marriage between a man and woman.” (Read complete ADF bill analysis here)

Alliance Defending Freedom is so concerned about this bill, that they flew Sharp out to California’s capitol last Friday for television and radio interviews, and to speak to legislative offices, warning them about the implications of this bill.

Joining him were several psychologists and a medical doctor who told legislative staff how this bill would prevent them from providing services to clients seeking their help.

One of those psychologists, Christopher Rosik, Ph.D., works with the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity, an organization dedicated to preserving the right of individuals to obtain the services of a therapist to help them with unwanted same-sex attractions. He presented California legislative offices with a journal article he authored rebutting critics who use “incomplete and dishonest presentation of the scientific record” to discredit this type of therapy. The article also corrects the “false caricatures of licensed therapists who do this work.”

snopes did not provide the full context as they have shown thier hand to be bias. Also I from California and have lived here for 52 years . I think i'm more versed then snopes. thank you very much :).
 
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CS1

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California Assembly Bill 2943 does not mention the Bible, Christianity, or religion at all, so when Allen claimed that the legislation would “literally” prohibit the sale of the Bible, he was stating something that is demonstrably and clearly false.

In reality the legislation, which was introduced in February 2018 by San Jose-based Democrat Evan Low, enhances California’s already-existing prohibition on “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), commonly known as “gay conversion therapy.” In 2012, the California Assembly passed Senate Bill 1172, which banned mental health professionals from performing SOCE on children under the age of 18.

The law defines SOCE as: “any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.”

Full text:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-bible-ban/


this is more than just bible ban, read the post I just added from CFC
 

CS1

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I know its easy for me, not in California, to say it's actually kinda exciting to see real opportunities to stand for the Lord and be persecuted, and I hope it doesn't happen, but it means we can be tested and suffer for the Word.
LOL if you want to see real persecution please don't wait for it to come your State you can voice your concern for legisation of immorlaity now:)
 

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I would wonder if it is written in such a way that they are banning only those resources where money is exchanged; would a possible loophole around this simply be to not charge money for conferences, counselling ,teaching, and to rather distribute Bibles for free?
[h=1]New CA Bill Outlaws Helping Anyone with Unwanted Same-Sex Desires or Gender Confusion[/h]By Greg Burt on March 14, 2018 in Culture, Faith, Law, Liberty, Political, Rights


read this for yourself.
 
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I would like to update you all on the latest in California Assembly Bill 2943.

This bill will make the Bible and Christian chuches unauthorized to teach. preach, and use material for the purpose of

1. confession
2. conversion
3. speaking to anything that is against gay, transgender acceptance, here is aword from adear brother of mine below who sent this message to me before the voting of it.

"On the eve of the most dangerous law ever written against California believers—shocking silence has fallen on the church here. Look on Facebook. They are not even talking about it. Do you see a groundswell of action? Are state senators being flooded with calls and emails? Did your mega church even say anything about it yesterday? I am guessing nothing was said.

Don’t tell me I am writing too many warnings about this. Paul said in Acts 21: 31 “Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.” Like Paul, I am not going to stop warning you.

California Assembly Bill 2943 passed and has been sent to the State Senate for final approval. Jerry Brown has already said he would sign it into law if the Senate approves it. If he does it will be a point of no return.

Here is what the new law would do: It will prohibit resources concerning treatment or ministry in order to reduce or eliminate same sex attraction or gender dysphoria. Essentially, conferences, counseling, teaching, books, or publications, where money is exchanged for the resource, would be prohibited. This is dangerous.

Fully enforced, this law would ban the sale of Bibles in California. Moreover, this law is a gateway law—it will lead to even more laws that persecute Christian faith.

The Body of Christ, in the Golden State is in a do or die situation. Please don’t bend Bible verses out of context so you can bury your head in the sand. If you believe it can’t happen here, you are not only part of the problem, you are denying what Christians in other countries suffer. Other nations have had moments when the simple use of democracy would have prevented the loss of their freedoms.

Is there still hope to turn this crisis around? The answer is clear: there is only hope if we take action. Here is what I am asking you to do right now.

Understand the danger of this law and why you oppose it. This is vital so you can make sense to State Senators. You already see how California flouted the Constitution with their sanctuary law. This new law openly violates freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Use social media to get Christians in California to email and call their state senator. Even if you don’t live in California you can still contact those you do know. And you can pray. At the end of this blog you will see a link to contact the State Senate. Again, use your social media accounts to broadcast this urgent threat to the church. Share this blog with as many as possible.

My final words are to all voting age Christians in California: it is time to put aside every excuse. Don’t delay! I am not exaggerating…Assembly Bill 2943 that will lead to banning the Bible in California. WE MUST ACT BEFORE THURSDAY."

How long will it be before this comes to your State?

I have heard many Christians say to me " You can not legislate Morality ". I can tell you as a Minster of the Gospel I am not trying to do that, what I am doing is FIGHTING THE LEGISLATION OF IMMORLAITY !

That is the job of all Christian to Be light and salt..... what say you all ? Please pray for California,

thank you
Thoughts in random order:
1. I saw my name in the title of your thread. (I used to be AtWhatCost. Still am, actually, if you ever google the phrase rolled together, I'm bound to show up somewhere along the way.) And this kind of thing is why that was/is my user name since I first joined the "super highway" over 20 years ago. Many people want government to take care of them so much, they don't measure the cost.

2. What FB is quiet? I've been seeing as much about this bill as I saw of the Trump/Hillary presidential election. Big buzz. Not silence.

3. Technically, it can't happen. They canNOT overthrow the first amendment. But then again, technically, Roe V. Wade never happened either. I see this passing out of sheer stupidity. And, even if it doesn't pass, it will be enacted by the Ninth District Courts.

4. I'm old, I'm disabled, and I cannot go to war, but I also know I cannot stay silent. I'm never going to shut up about what the Bible says, even on this issue. I am curious what happens if people "just say no." Jail time or fine time? Criminal or civil? I can see the true church coming together, just like it did for those pizza shop owners, the florist, and the cake decorator.
 
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California Assembly Bill 2943 does not mention the Bible, Christianity, or religion at all, so when Allen claimed that the legislation would “literally” prohibit the sale of the Bible, he was stating something that is demonstrably and clearly false.

In reality the legislation, which was introduced in February 2018 by San Jose-based Democrat Evan Low, enhances California’s already-existing prohibition on “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), commonly known as “gay conversion therapy.” In 2012, the California Assembly passed Senate Bill 1172, which banned mental health professionals from performing SOCE on children under the age of 18.

The law defines SOCE as: “any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.”

Full text:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-bible-ban/

And why did the mental health field stop considering same-sex attraction a mental health issue? Because the government and anarchists said it wasn't. Either the mental health field had to become "enlightened" or lose their jobs. Same reason it's getting harder and harder for doctors to treat people in pain with medication.

We're not at the top rung of the atheists' ladder yet, but we haven't been on the ground for a long time either.
 

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Well from what I am reading here it seems to indicate they will be banning the sale of such services as the gay conversion therapy and/or materials such as the Bible. So I think the most logical way to combat this would be to just simply offer them for free. Even from a biblical point of view, the Gospel, its teachings, deliverance, etc. should be free anyways.

Freely you have received, freely give, it is written.
 

CS1

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Thoughts in random order:
1. I saw my name in the title of your thread. (I used to be AtWhatCost. Still am, actually, if you ever google the phrase rolled together, I'm bound to show up somewhere along the way.) And this kind of thing is why that was/is my user name since I first joined the "super highway" over 20 years ago. Many people want government to take care of them so much, they don't measure the cost.

2. What FB is quiet? I've been seeing as much about this bill as I saw of the Trump/Hillary presidential election. Big buzz. Not silence.

3. Technically, it can't happen. They canNOT overthrow the first amendment. But then again, technically, Roe V. Wade never happened either. I see this passing out of sheer stupidity. And, even if it doesn't pass, it will be enacted by the Ninth District Courts.

4. I'm old, I'm disabled, and I cannot go to war, but I also know I cannot stay silent. I'm never going to shut up about what the Bible says, even on this issue. I am curious what happens if people "just say no." Jail time or fine time? Criminal or civil? I can see the true church coming together, just like it did for those pizza shop owners, the florist, and the cake decorator.

Face book = FB and your name really?
 

CS1

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Well from what I am reading here it seems to indicate they will be banning the sale of such services as the gay conversion therapy and/or materials such as the Bible. So I think the most logical way to combat this would be to just simply offer them for free. Even from a biblical point of view, the Gospel, its teachings, deliverance, etc. should be free anyways.

Freely you have received, freely give, it is written.

the issue there is Non-Profit do for the most part give many thing's way for free including Bibles and teaching . many local churches do not look to make a profit in the sale of the items but cover the cost to get the book. Also did you know in California if you are a volunteer of the church no matter what it is you are considered by the state of California an unpaid employee .


Also I do not trust the leaders of California . This is about the opinon of free books , this is about liberials trying to legislate immorality. The APA is not an enitity of authority concerning transgender, or gay sexual prefernce . they have clearly over reached.
 

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the issue there is Non-Profit do for the most part give many thing's way for free including Bibles and teaching . many local churches do not look to make a profit in the sale of the items but cover the cost to get the book. Also did you know in California if you are a volunteer of the church no matter what it is you are considered by the state of California an unpaid employee .


Also I do not trust the leaders of California . This is about the opinon of free books , this is about liberials trying to legislate immorality. The APA is not an enitity of authority concerning transgender, or gay sexual prefernce . they have clearly over reached.
Well firstly, the question in the title is at what cost will people stand for God's word? Well it seems to me to not be a very high cost to simply provide such things for free which if they actually believe the Bible they should be doing that anyways because Jesus himself said they should.

Secondly, well yes I do indeed think the liberal degenerates are using this as part of their on-going larger agenda, like they always do. After all their three-part agenda has been going on for my whole lifetime, so they certainly will not stop there because they just never do. Though we also have to face reality, California is a cesspit, it is infamous for being filthy and shameful in every single way. The likelihood this bill will pass is pretty high. So we better stay one step ahead of them. In this case this is not too hard to counter. Just provide such teachings and the Bibles for free like the Bible all ready says you should, so wow God has all ready prevailed over them before they even began.

I think also if this article is true, there is a lot of potential here for them to fall into their own snare. I mean just for one example; could one successfully claim that Hollywood by using money to spread homosexual or other such degenerate propaganda is in violation of this new law?
 
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Face book = FB and your name really?
Yes, FB = Facebook.

And, my old user name on here, (AOL, and just about every forum I've ever joined), was AtWhatCost. (Only old thread I can fine for old user name.)
 
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Well from what I am reading here it seems to indicate they will be banning the sale of such services as the gay conversion therapy and/or materials such as the Bible. So I think the most logical way to combat this would be to just simply offer them for free. Even from a biblical point of view, the Gospel, its teachings, deliverance, etc. should be free anyways.

Freely you have received, freely give, it is written.
My denominational church has a sexual-sin outreach. It has two trained psychologists, quite a few counselors, and many volunteers. It has its own office space in Center City Philadelphia, (where office space costs the biggest hunk of change to rent.) And it is there because it is right smack in the middle of the LBGTQetc. district of our fair city. It has weird things like desks, and computers, phones, printers, files, office managers, staff, and probably has those freaky things like lights, blotters, trash cans, and maybe even a plant or two. Possibly even something on the walls. :eek:

They help people with any sexual sin -- whether it's old-fashioned infidelity, pornography, or adultery, and they help people through sexual-addictions, including, but not limited to, homosexuality, transgender, cross-dressing, orgies, swinging, or constant parade of sexual partners.

How do they help? First there is counseling of course -- group and private -- but they also go around the city to bring meals to people who can't get out shopping anymore because of AIDS or advanced HIV that hasn't hit full-blown AIDS. They help those with the disease go to doctor appointments, or get them any help they can, all the while presenting them the one and only help for what ails them -- Jesus.

Soooo, you're saying this should all be for free? It IS free for those who can't afford the help, sliding scale, for those who can, and biggy -- donations. None of that will be available in California anymore if this passes, because, dagnabit, it is a full-fledged ministry that cost money.

What do you do for a living? And should you do that for free too? Funny how Christians want everything for free except for any service or product they provide. Because they deserve the money, but they know no one else ever does.

(Also the reason when I had a business I was very worried about advertising in the Christian Yellow Pages. Automatically assumed Christians would expect cut-rate or free simply because they deserve it.)
 

CS1

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Well firstly, the question in the title is at what cost will people stand for God's word? Well it seems to me to not be a very high cost to simply provide such things for free which if they actually believe the Bible they should be doing that anyways because Jesus himself said they should.

Secondly, well yes I do indeed think the liberal degenerates are using this as part of their on-going larger agenda, like they always do. After all their three-part agenda has been going on for my whole lifetime, so they certainly will not stop there because they just never do. Though we also have to face reality, California is a cesspit, it is infamous for being filthy and shameful in every single way. The likelihood this bill will pass is pretty high. So we better stay one step ahead of them. In this case this is not too hard to counter. Just provide such teachings and the Bibles for free like the Bible all ready says you should, so wow God has all ready prevailed over them before they even began.

I think also if this article is true, there is a lot of potential here for them to fall into their own snare. I mean just for one example; could one successfully claim that Hollywood by using money to spread homosexual or other such degenerate propaganda is in violation of this new law?
lol yes ther title does say that but the cost is not in context to $$$$$$$$. so you think the system just allows you to provide it for free and they(liberials) will be cool with it and the law is really nothing to be concerned about?

are you from California? Do you know what the 9th circuit court did with California law of traditional Marriage ?
do you think the premise of this law would ever hurt Hollywood using money to spread homosexuality ? LOL you do know TV has a gay channels right? the Law protects this sexual prefrence .
 

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My denominational church has a sexual-sin outreach. It has two trained psychologists, quite a few counselors, and many volunteers. It has its own office space in Center City Philadelphia, (where office space costs the biggest hunk of change to rent.) And it is there because it is right smack in the middle of the LBGTQetc. district of our fair city. It has weird things like desks, and computers, phones, printers, files, office managers, staff, and probably has those freaky things like lights, blotters, trash cans, and maybe even a plant or two. Possibly even something on the walls. :eek:

They help people with any sexual sin -- whether it's old-fashioned infidelity, pornography, or adultery, and they help people through sexual-addictions, including, but not limited to, homosexuality, transgender, cross-dressing, orgies, swinging, or constant parade of sexual partners.

How do they help? First there is counseling of course -- group and private -- but they also go around the city to bring meals to people who can't get out shopping anymore because of AIDS or advanced HIV that hasn't hit full-blown AIDS. They help those with the disease go to doctor appointments, or get them any help they can, all the while presenting them the one and only help for what ails them -- Jesus.

Soooo, you're saying this should all be for free? It IS free for those who can't afford the help, sliding scale, for those who can, and biggy -- donations. None of that will be available in California anymore if this passes, because, dagnabit, it is a full-fledged ministry that cost money.

What do you do for a living? And should you do that for free too? Funny how Christians want everything for free except for any service or product they provide. Because they deserve the money, but they know no one else ever does.

(Also the reason when I had a business I was very worried about advertising in the Christian Yellow Pages. Automatically assumed Christians would expect cut-rate or free simply because they deserve it.)
Well I'd rather not get into a big argument, but what is written is all ready written, and for those that think the gift of God can be bought and sold with money, they will perish with that money.
 

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Well I'd rather not get into a big argument, but what is written is all ready written, and for those that think the gift of God can be bought and sold with money, they will perish with that money.
your statement is true but my post is nothing to do with that.
 

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lol yes ther title does say that but the cost is not in context to $$$$$$$$. so you think the system just allows you to provide it for free and they(liberials) will be cool with it and the law is really nothing to be concerned about?

are you from California? Do you know what the 9th circuit court did with California law of traditional Marriage ?
do you think the premise of this law would ever hurt Hollywood using money to spread homosexuality ? LOL you do know TV has a gay channels right? the Law protects this sexual prefrence .
Well why do we have to play by their system? I think indeed it is part of a larger ploy and I take note of such things for as I said it is part of the big 3 points of the liberal agenda so I am aware of such things if that is what you mean by concerned. At the same time I'm not worried if that's what you mean by concerned, because they will never prevail over an all powerful God, they will only meddle to their very own hurt.

No I am not from California. I understand marriage has been pretty much attacked in many ways, be it with homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, adultery, basic whoredom, etc. etc. as that is one of the big 3 points of their on-going agenda, which is the destruction of the family and individuals.

Do I think the law could hurt Hollywood? I suppose it depends how savvy some people are. It could if one were savvy enough, but I understand that indeed the other side does not work on a basis of equal weights and measures. This is moreso why I asked that as a question rather than made it a statement. It's not so much about Hollywood particularly, but just to give an example of how they may fall into the very same snare which they intended for us. Suppose though in this example that they do play the hypocrite games as we expect they will. Well then they have simply set themselves up to have their law challenged in a court, perhaps all the way to the Supreme Court at that, which would give it a chance of being struck down. Again it's not so much specifically about Hollywood or all the gays stuff on TV, it's more about showing that we got options here, we're not totally defenseless here if they pass this, and mindful there is a good chance they will pass it. They have opened their own can of worms.