Salvation and discipleship

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LW97

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[FONT=&quot]"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6:37)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (Luke 9:23)

Simple as that. Salvation is free, discipleship costs everything.[/FONT]
 
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UnderGrace

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Being a disciple is being a "learner"

How does it cost?


LW97 said:
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6:37)
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (Luke 9:23)

Simple as that. Salvation is free, discipleship costs everything.
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So you are saying a "learner" of Jesus learns to give up his sins or possessions?

"Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33).



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Well, giving up our sins. Of course not things that aren't sinful.
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Hmm I wonder what would have happen to the prodigal son if he had never came to his own senses and was defiant?
 
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LPT said:
Hmm I wonder what would have happen to the prodigal son if he had never came to his own senses and was defiant?
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Nobody knows
 
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LW97 said:
Nobody knows
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Yup right on, while at home he had salvation a place to live and discipleship he was one of the father's son, so if I had to guess I'd say he would have died if he didn't come to his senses and return home.
 
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For those that think, have said, or will say, "it costs nothing", you are mistaken. It costs your time, which is your most valuable asset and is non-renewable. Therefore, it costs you your life - figuratively and literally.
 
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Vladimir said:
For those that think, have said, or will say, "it costs nothing", you are mistaken. It costs your time, which is your most valuable asset and is non-renewable. Therefore, it costs you your life - figuratively and literally.
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Yeah, discipleship costs my life, true! But salvation is a gift of God, not of works - lest that any man should boast.
 
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LPT said:
Yup right on, while at home he had salvation a place to live and discipleship he was one of the father's son, so if I had to guess I'd say he would have died if he didn't come to his senses and return home.
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Well, he would still have been saved. Was he still his father's son or not?
 
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LW97 said:
Nobody knows
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Hmmm, I would think it was his repentance that caused him to return to his father. Is this not a picture for us of what our own repentance looks like? And also, that had the son not repented, he would have died in his sin?
 
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LW97 said:
Yeah, discipleship costs my life, true! But salvation is a gift of God, not of works - lest that any man should boast.
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quick question can a person loose that salvation or is it once given always that person will have salvation?
 
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Magenta said:
Hmmm, I would think it was his repentance that caused him to return to his father. Is this not a picture for us of what our own repentance looks like? And also, that had the son not repented, he would have died in his sin?
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quite the picture indeed...
 
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LW97 said:
Well, he would still have been saved. Was he still his father's son or not?
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Yes he was,, now I'm going to ask you a question did God nit every human on this planet from the womb of their mother. and if so are they not His sons and daughters as well? it doesn't make God pleased to loose his children he nitted in the womb of their physical mothers no just the opposite IMO what would be your answer to the nit in the womb? think about that even hilter was nitted.
 
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Jesus said when he was arrested father I haven't lost any that you have given me except for one, except for one and that was by his choice not Jesus choice.
 
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LPT said:
Yes he was,, now I'm going to ask you a question did God nit every human on this planet from the womb of their mother. and if so are they not His sons and daughters as well? it doesn't make God pleased to loose his children he nitted in the womb of their physical mothers no just the opposite IMO what would be your answer to the nit in the womb? think about that even hilter was nitted.
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Being knit in the womb by God is not what makes us His children.

Gal 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
 
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Magenta said:
Being knit in the womb by God is not what makes us His children.

Gal 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
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If you make a jar out of clay do you consider it your own creation?

Gal 3:26 indeed because of sin we are separated from God at birth why because to know your father again one needs to know Jesus but that doesn't mean that same creation is not his own. true if people don't believe in Christ they loose that title of sons and daughters of God, because of that until your last breath Jesus fights to save them be known as that and he knows just that.
 
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Magenta

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LPT said:
If you make a jar out of clay do you consider it your own creation?

Gal 3:26 indeed because of sin we are separated from God at birth why because to know your father again one needs to know Jesus but that doesn't mean that same creation is not his own.
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Jesus called those who rejected Him children of the devil.
 
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