Jesus, King of the Jews

[graceNpeace]

I am still going over Grace and Peace's "rubbish", Sanctimonious," "blinkered," and other just plain old insiuations.

These have my mind too occupied to hear anything a person leveling such words would ever have to say about the Word of God......go ahead in all that grae and peace you are spreading.......

It is very unlikely Jesus Christ spoke to the sheep of His original flock in Greek.. Think about it if it is not too much for you , and do not come back with the huiman traditions of your intellectual endeabor. You will not be able to approach the Father as an intellectual or His equal in understanding..........

Perhaps you believe we should also study the OT& in Greek...your reasoning points to such. Why not just try to be a little bit uinderstanding of history according to God's will and not the dictates of Jew-hating ecclesiastica?

Perhaps you should read some of your own posts and read the silly accusations and insinuations that you are making...

From this very post, "Perhaps you believe we should also study the OT& in Greek...your reasoning points to such."
This is just plain nonsense.
I never said anything of the sort and I sure did not intimate it either!
If I believed this then please could you explain to me why I am learning Biblical Hebrew as we speak?

Anther piece of nonsense from this post, "Why not just try to be a little bit uinderstanding of history according to God's will and not the dictates of Jew-hating ecclesiastica?"
Another astounding piece of nonsense hyperbole.
I am NOT an anti-Semite, and I have no respect for those who are anti-Semitic!
I have twice made the observation that this kind of accusation is par for the course for the Hebrew Roots crowd.
It is devoid of any truth but obviously you and they feel that it gives you collectively some kind of moral high ground...
It does not!

I think that many of YOUR true feelings about those who do not share your Hebrew Roots passion have come to light today...
Unfortunately they are based on exactly the kind of misinformation and propaganda that you are trying to push with your OP!

 

[JaumeJ]

Remember your sanctimonious name, grae andpeace......I have not seen it displayed from the inception of your friendly dialogue here.........try it you may live up to it. I know for the moment I am having difficulty swallowing what you have to say, grace and peace.

Perhaps you should read some of your own posts and read the silly accusations and insinuations that you are making...

From this very post, "Perhaps you believe we should also study the OT& in Greek...your reasoning points to such."
This is just plain nonsense.
I never said anything of the sort and I sure did not intimate it either!
If I believed this then please could you explain to me why I am learning Biblical Hebrew as we speak?

Anther piece of nonsense from this post, "Why not just try to be a little bit uinderstanding of history according to God's will and not the dictates of Jew-hating ecclesiastica?"
Another astounding piece of nonsense hyperbole.
I am NOT an anti-Semite, and I have no respect for those who are anti-Semitic!
I have twice made the observation that this kind of accusation is par for the course for the Hebrew Roots crowd.
It is devoid of any truth but obviously you and they feel that it gives you collectively some kind of moral high ground...
It does not!

I think that many of YOUR true feelings about those who do not share your Hebrew Roots passion have come to light today...
Unfortunately they are based on exactly the kind of misinformation and propaganda that you are trying to push with your OP!

 

[gb9]

Perhaps you should read some of your own posts and read the silly accusations and insinuations that you are making...

From this very post, "Perhaps you believe we should also study the OT& in Greek...your reasoning points to such."
This is just plain nonsense.
I never said anything of the sort and I sure did not intimate it either!
If I believed this then please could you explain to me why I am learning Biblical Hebrew as we speak?

Anther piece of nonsense from this post, "Why not just try to be a little bit uinderstanding of history according to God's will and not the dictates of Jew-hating ecclesiastica?"
Another astounding piece of nonsense hyperbole.
I am NOT an anti-Semite, and I have no respect for those who are anti-Semitic!
I have twice made the observation that this kind of accusation is par for the course for the Hebrew Roots crowd.
It is devoid of any truth but obviously you and they feel that it gives you collectively some kind of moral high ground...
It does not!

I think that many of YOUR true feelings about those who do not share your Hebrew Roots passion have come to light today...
Unfortunately they are based on exactly the kind of misinformation and propaganda that you are trying to push with your OP!

green, everyone who interacts with Jamie get told the same thing- we do not understand him, we are too young, we are not reading his posts correctly.

now, a lot of folks would come to the conclusion that if one was having the same problems with different people , then the one could be the issue. a lot folks . not all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here you demonstrate that you are not aware Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel, the Jews for starters in Judah, Israel. He would not speak to gentiles, so it seems very unlikely God would choose to speak to His people in a foreign tonge. As concering Aramaic, it i a form aof Hebrew, and it was not spoken when dealing with Holy Scripure,.

Now.,I pray you peace and grace.......... The OP is about the meaning of the word, Jew in its relationship to all who praie God.

The point is He would have spoken Koine Greek at times too, just not when talking with other Jews...

 

[JaumeJ]

Did you know that Jesus teaches God can raise up sons of Abraham from the stones ?

Did you know Jesus teaches us of the faith of Abraham our father. (Abraham means honored father of nations.)

Did you know in the Epistles it is written we are adoped by God and we are fellow heirs with Israel.

Nowhere is Greece mentioned except in the manner that all who believe, the Jew first and then the Gentile are become Israel, that Israel of god with its capital, New Jerusalem.?

This is pretty sanctimonious stuff you have written here!
The violins must be playing...

As for the fight - I think all you are doing is shadow-boxing - with yourself!

 

[JaumeJ]

You began with your blinkered nonsense, now several times you have skirted what I have posted concerning the Word and its contained history, and you love to refer to me as sanctimonious.

The worst I may do is say your name again, grae and peace.........you certainly seem to live up to your real name.

Hardly....
What has your sanctimony got to do with the Word of God?

 

[graceNpeace]

Remember your sanctimonious name, grae andpeace......I have not seen it displayed from the inception of your friendly dialogue here.........try it you may live up to it. I know for the moment I am having difficulty swallowing what you have to say, grace and peace.

I just think it is very clear that I have called your OP for what it is - a straw-man - and that you cannot deal with the accuracy of that assessment.

These people do not exist: "Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teacing and spreding His gospel in Greek?"
I asked you the question before - who are all these people who believe this?
You had no answer because there is no truthful answer...

All it is is a cheap trick to try and get a pointless debate going when the real motive is for you to push your Hebrew Roots agenda....
You must believe that your approach was very subtle but in fact, it has all the subtlety of a runaway rhinoceros!

As for the continued appeal to anti-Semitism to try to paint with the broadest brush all those who disagree with you - this is the oldest trick in the book for the Hebrew Roots lot.
Again hardly subtle!

 

[gb9]

green, everyone who interacts with Jamie get told the same thing- we do not understand him, we are too young, we are not reading his posts correctly.

now, a lot of folks would come to the conclusion that if one was having the same problems with different people , then the one could be the issue. a lot folks . not all.

sorry graceNpeace, did not intentionally call you green. brain freeze on my part.

 

[JaumeJ]

Actually I do advise all to lear of Jesus Christ, so if they do not undersand they are not doing it.

sorry graceNpeace, did not intentionally call you green. brain freeze on my part.

 

[JaumeJ]

2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[John146]

The Jews thought the Greeks were a bunch of dogs. I highly doubt that the Jewish scribes would translate their OT into Greek.

 

[LPT]

Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teacing and spreding His gospel in Greek?


It is possible He spoke in Greek, but very doubtful since had the hypocrites heard Him
teaching the Hebrew Word in Greek they would have stoned Him.

Yes there are many, perhaps most, manuscripts in K. Greek, but where did they come
from since the first believers for about a centurey were taught from the Hebrew writings,
that is the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings,.


It would be like studying the founding fathers of the US or any given country in a foreign
tongue, say Chinese....

I believe much was destroyed by the Roman leaders due to their own anti-semetism.

It seem to me a very large persentage of people who balk at our Hebrew forfathers and history
are nothing more or less than being anti-semites.

No you do not need to read Hebrew or dress like some over zealous Rabbinically taught Jew, but at
the same time o not deny Jesus, Yeshua.

After all when it comes down to it, Jew as Judah may be translated as a praiser of God, and there cannot
be anything wrong with this.

No one is able to say with anything approaching certainty that all of the New Testament was written in Greek exclusively,
except perhaps the letters of Paul, and even that is not 100%.

If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.

hey JaumeJ interesting topic you got going, I think Jesus was multilangual most folks probably were in those days concidering they lived side by side trading selling what ever. but speaking on the NT and the language used to write it.

It appears it was written in a language other than Hebrew or Aramiac because there has never been a single manuscript or document of the NT ever found to date in either of those languages, so that leaves a couple of choices of what that language was in time it was written the books of the NT. do think the bible shouldn't be trusted in English, Greek form or what options have you gone too as for as reading the word of God.

 

[Endoscopy]

Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teacing and spreding His gospel in Greek?


It is possible He spoke in Greek, but very doubtful since had the hypocrites heard Him
teaching the Hebrew Word in Greek they would have stoned Him.

Yes there are many, perhaps most, manuscripts in K. Greek, but where did they come
from since the first believers for about a centurey were taught from the Hebrew writings,
that is the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings,.


It would be like studying the founding fathers of the US or any given country in a foreign
tongue, say Chinese....

I believe much was destroyed by the Roman leaders due to their own anti-semetism.

It seem to me a very large persentage of people who balk at our Hebrew forfathers and history
are nothing more or less than being anti-semites.

No you do not need to read Hebrew or dress like some over zealous Rabbinically taught Jew, but at
the same time o not deny Jesus, Yeshua.

After all when it comes down to it, Jew as Judah may be translated as a praiser of God, and there cannot
be anything wrong with this.

No one is able to say with anything approaching certainty that all of the New Testament was written in Greek exclusively,
except perhaps the letters of Paul, and even that is not 100%.

If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.

Greek was the common language across the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus. Any time Jews speak something other than Hebrew they bring in ways of phrasing and concepts from Hebrew into the language. Biblical Greek has this phenomenon Biblical Aramaic was used in Israel and areas to the north and northeast of Israel going back to the time of David. Hebrew was spoken in Israel for thousands of years!

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Jews thought the Greeks were a bunch of dogs. I highly doubt that the Jewish scribes would translate their OT into Greek.

Certainly not the ones living in Judea.

But the Hellenistic Jews did create the Septuagint (Greek OT) and corrupted the Tanakh in the process.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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Certainly not the ones living in Judea.

But the Hellenistic Jews did create the Septuagint (Greek OT) and corrupted the Tanakh in the process.

No more so than the Masoretes did.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Jews thought the Greeks were a bunch of dogs. I highly doubt that the Jewish scribes would translate their OT into Greek.

Huge Jewish population in Alexandria Egypt only spoke Greek, so they made the Septuagint.

 

[JaumeJ]

I live in Spain. The world common language today is English. The business language that is, andit is known as the lingua franca.

If I go into a church here, the serice is held in Castillano, or as most would call it, Spanish.

Lingua franca at the time of Jesus in the Middle East was Armaic while the invading forces were of Rome and they spoke Latin, not Greek. Greece was a major language everywhere previous to that time for Greece had also occupied much of the area.

It is unlikely ay services in Israel were ever in any language but the language of the Hebrew Torah. Perhaps in the diiaspor where the Torah had ben translated into Greek, some heard a church service in Hebrew, but even that is doubtful since it had been translatwed primarily for the Greeks, however it is possible, but ot likely in a Hebrew congregation...you will have to study on that and even then you may only go by what other have written down as history, and all should know since then there have been many shifts in civilization by weight and war.

Keep in mind the first casualty in any war is the truth, revisionist history and worse.

Jesus said He came for the lost of His flock.......(Hebrew), and He would not speak fto large groups of gentiles only to Hebrews.

He said He had another flock (gentiles) and they would be joined to his original flock.....etc.

If we hear Jesus it would be in the spirit.......no language, understanding in the spirit.

 

[mcubed]

Yeshua would have spoke Aramaic, which was the common language of that time. Every Hebrew could read the Torah, in Hebrew by the age of 5, back then. Y-shua also spoke/read Hebrew, have you not read when they opened the scroll, Luke 4:21, Today this is fulfilled in your hearing....

 

[JaumeJ]

The hypocrites were trying in vain to catch Yeshua in some infraction of the law. Had Yeshua taught anything regarding His fulfilling the prophets and the law in Aramaic, it would seem the entire remaining priesthood would have been up in arms, also it would have been easy to charge Him............

Yeshua would have spoke Aramaic, which was the common language of that time. Every Hebrew could read the Torah, in Hebrew by the age of 5, back then. Y-shua also spoke/read Hebrew, have you not read when they opened the scroll, Luke 4:21, Today this is fulfilled in your hearing....

 

[graceNpeace]

Here you demonstrate that you are not aware Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel, the Jews for starters in Judah, Israel. He would not speak to gentiles, so it seems very unlikely God would choose to speak to His people in a foreign tonge. As concering Aramaic, it i a form aof Hebrew, and it was not spoken when dealing with Holy Scripure,.

Now.,I pray you peace and grace.......... The OP is about the meaning of the word, Jew in its relationship to all who praie God.

Statements like this are just so ludicrous!!!
Really...pure speculation on your part!

I am very well aware that Jesus limited His MINISTRY almost exclusively to Jews.
However, there were exceptions - and they are included in the Gospels...

Also, if you really know the history of Palestine in New Testament times then you would know that Jews were actually a minority in Palestine.
Jesus would have had plenty of interaction with Gentiles both growing up AND during the times of His three year ministry on a day-to-day basis and in these situations would have spoken Koine Greek because that would have been the common language.

I think you need to ditch your attack strategies of either accusing people of being anti-Semitic or being ignorant - just because they disagree with you!