Jesus, King of the Jews

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JaumeJ

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Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teacing and spreding His gospel in Greek?


It is possible He spoke in Greek, but very doubtful since had the hypocrites heard Him
teaching the Hebrew Word in Greek they would have stoned Him.

Yes there are many, perhaps most, manuscripts in K. Greek, but where did they come
from since the first believers for about a centurey were taught from the Hebrew writings,
that is the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings,.


It would be like studying the founding fathers of the US or any given country in a foreign
tongue, say Chinese....

I believe much was destroyed by the Roman leaders due to their own anti-semetism.

It seem to me a very large persentage of people who balk at our Hebrew forfathers and history
are nothing more or less than being anti-semites.

No you do not need to read Hebrew or dress like some over zealous Rabbinically taught Jew, but at
the same time o not deny Jesus, Yeshua.

After all when it comes down to it, Jew as Judah may be translated as a praiser of God, and there cannot
be anything wrong with this.

No one is able to say with anything approaching certainty that all of the New Testament was written in Greek exclusively,
except perhaps the letters of Paul, and even that is not 100%.

If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.
 

JaumeJ

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When I read th eWord in Hebrew, two of the books were in Aramaic, actually one and a half wee. The Aramaic is the evolution of Hebrew, and the Word, itself, was penned in Hebrew excepting that very little bit.

Today, the Word, istranslated, and that well, into just about all languages......

Jesus taught in the Temple out of Isaiah, and it would be a great stretch to say He spoke Greek in the Temple, and the same goes for His giving His Gospel in public places since He declared He had to go to His own sheep first, and would not talk to the gentiles as H spoke to hIS own.

No man need speak or read or write Hebrew or Greek to learn the Word for it is always imparted by the hOLY sPIRIT OR not imparted at all except for the dead words.


 

graceNpeace

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Jesus almost certainly understood Koine Greek, everyone did at that time in Palestine, he would not generally have conversed with Jewish people in Greek. He would have spoken Aramaic and Hebrew - especially when reading from the Torah.

However, it is also true that what we now call the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and even the quotations from what we call the Old Testament that are found in the New Testament came from a version translated in Greek called the Septuagint. Maybe there are a couple of exceptions that I am unaware of...

I would astounded if it were to be proved, in some way, that Jesus ministered in any other language than Hebrew/Aramaic...
 

BenFTW

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Did you guys hear about the findings of certain pages of the gospels being found in Hebrew (three pages of Luke, and one page of John) found in a Vatican junk pile?

Link to specific part in the video (page of John in Hebrew): https://youtu.be/dOFNvm8BAeM?t=5002

Whole video:

[video=youtube;dOFNvm8BAeM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5045&v=dOFNvm8BAeM[/video]
 

JaumeJ

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No certainly about it, Jesus understands all.

Jesus almost certainly understood Koine Greek, everyone did at that time in Palestine, he would not generally have conversed with Jewish people in Greek. He would have spoken Aramaic and Hebrew - especially when reading from the Torah.

However, it is also true that what we now call the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and even the quotations from what we call the Old Testament that are found in the New Testament came from a version translated in Greek called the Septuagint. Maybe there are a couple of exceptions that I am unaware of...

I would astounded if it were to be proved, in some way, that Jesus ministered in any other language than Hebrew/Aramaic...
 

JaumeJ

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I have heard a lot of findings.........I believe what God has maintained since the Tanakh and the Evangelists.


Did you guys hear about the findings of certain pages of the gospels being found in Hebrew (three pages of Luke, and one page of John) found in a Vatican junk pile?

Link to specific part in the video (page of John in Hebrew): https://youtu.be/dOFNvm8BAeM?t=5002

Whole video:

[video=youtube;dOFNvm8BAeM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5045&v=dOFNvm8BAeM[/video]
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teaching and spreading His gospel in Greek?
Not sure whom you've been talking to but most Christians are fully aware that Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Palestinian Jew who spoke Aramaic and used the Hebrew Scriptures. Indeed some of His Aramaic words are transliterated in the NT
It seem to me a very large percentage of people who balk at our Hebrew forefathers and history
are nothing more or less than being anti-semites.
Once again, no genuine Christian would balk at the fact that God used the nation of Israel for His eternal purposes, and that Christ descended from Adam-Noah-Shem-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob-Judah -David. Indeed both His genealogies make this crystal clear. However, in spite of this, the nation of Israel (by and large) REJECTED Him. That is more to be wondered at than whether Gentiles receive Him as Lord and Savior.
If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.
This should be addressed to the Nazis and Neo-Nazis, not Christians.
 
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Didymous

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Why do so many believe Jesus Christ was teacing and spreding His gospel in Greek?


It is possible He spoke in Greek, but very doubtful since had the hypocrites heard Him
teaching the Hebrew Word in Greek they would have stoned Him.

Yes there are many, perhaps most, manuscripts in K. Greek, but where did they come
from since the first believers for about a centurey were taught from the Hebrew writings,
that is the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings,.


It would be like studying the founding fathers of the US or any given country in a foreign
tongue, say Chinese....

I believe much was destroyed by the Roman leaders due to their own anti-semetism.

It seem to me a very large persentage of people who balk at our Hebrew forfathers and history
are nothing more or less than being anti-semites.

No you do not need to read Hebrew or dress like some over zealous Rabbinically taught Jew, but at
the same time o not deny Jesus, Yeshua.

After all when it comes down to it, Jew as Judah may be translated as a praiser of God, and there cannot
be anything wrong with this.

No one is able to say with anything approaching certainty that all of the New Testament was written in Greek exclusively,
except perhaps the letters of Paul, and even that is not 100%.

If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.
I think most Christians, if they think about it at all, don't have a problem with Jesus being a Jew.
 

JaumeJ

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You and many who are either appointed my man or self-appointed intellectuals may vot and agree and surmise what you will.

When Yahweh, God, saved me, it was not by the words spoken by men, He answered my prayer from a heart broken for all of mankind, this means you. His Holy Spirit entered into me, and I was given to know Jesus Christ..

All the educated men in the world cannot haold a thimble of God's wisdom, understanding ant true knowledge.

I believe what the Holy Spirit witnesses to me and a stay away from the videos, books scholars, and all others who have made themselves full of the knowledge of this age.

If people would give some credit to the Hebrew influence of our salvationthey would not be blocking out so much revelation and truth from our Father........

You stay with whom you are most comforted, and I will continue fighting the fight.


The point is He would have spoken Koine Greek at times too, just not when talking with other Jews...
 

JaumeJ

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Of cousrse, I make reference to the vocal minority who get some innocents side-tracked for a moment. Of course Jesus will not allow it to be permanent, not those who believe Him

I think most Christians, if they think about it at all, don't have a problem with Jesus being a Jew.
 

graceNpeace

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I'm sure he could've spoken any language.
That statement applies to you too - in principle!

Jesus would have spoken Koine Greek because everyone in Palestine at that time spoke it - it was the language of commerce and administration (specifically the Romans did their administration in Greek). Koine Greek was the one language that made one understood anywhere in the Roman Empire, it was not Latin nor any other language.
 

graceNpeace

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You and many who are either appointed my man or self-appointed intellectuals may vot and agree and surmise what you will.

When Yahweh, God, saved me, it was not by the words spoken by men, He answered my prayer from a heart broken for all of mankind, this means you. His Holy Spirit entered into me, and I was given to know Jesus Christ..

All the educated men in the world cannot haold a thimble of God's wisdom, understanding ant true knowledge.

I believe what the Holy Spirit witnesses to me and a stay away from the videos, books scholars, and all others who have made themselves full of the knowledge of this age.

If people would give some credit to the Hebrew influence of our salvationthey would not be blocking out so much revelation and truth from our Father........

You stay with whom you are most comforted, and I will continue fighting the fight.
This is pretty sanctimonious stuff you have written here!
The violins must be playing...

As for the fight - I think all you are doing is shadow-boxing - with yourself!
 

JaumeJ

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Once more with your personal opinions and labels........kind of like [h=2]Definition of blinkered[/h][FONT=&quot]: limited in scope or understanding
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This is pretty sanctimonious stuff you have written here!
The violins must be playing...

As for the fight - I think all you are doing is shadow-boxing - with yourself!
 

JaumeJ

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YOu know what, when you were five years old I was studyiing the Word. By the time your were eight years old I had shared the Word with all who would listen in at least three of the United States and over a dozen countries.

I do not like to reveal all for many reasons, mainly I do not want to be sanctimonious as you say I am, so I will not mention the works that came about nor the miracles not he healins nor the gifts of knowledge and so much more......

You keep telling those in the trenches that it is sanctimonious to mention this, and I will know even better with what I am dealing. Young man.......you have messaging capabiity, you shouldhave used that first in private before making a public spectacle of yourself......shame.

This is pretty sanctimonious stuff you have written here!
The violins must be playing...

As for the fight - I think all you are doing is shadow-boxing - with yourself!
 

FlSnookman7

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I am not sure about 2000 years ago, but my dad is from Slovenia, near Italy and he speaks 4 languages fluently and 3 more enough to get around. I seem to notice it is here in America where the majority of the population speaks only 1 language.
 

Zmouth

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If you do not like Jesus having walked the earth as a Jew, then you probably do not believe much of what He teaches.
If Jesus said that he that is not against them is with them (See Luke 9:50) then would that same precept apply their words, being that if one did not deny something then they concurred with what was said?

[SUP]48[/SUP] Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? [SUP]49[/SUP] Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
John 8

But it appears that the term 'Jew' is used to describes the Hebrews who could no longer be called Israelite' since the fall of Israel as a Nation:

That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother. Jer 34:9

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; [SUP]6[/SUP] Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away.
Est 2

But in regards to the more important question, what was the ethnicity of the Son of God when he walked on the earth in Genesis 1:2?
 
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