On Death and Dying -- Spurgeon Style

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I have two kinds of days -- good days and bad days. The labels are directly related to how much of a pain the day is. Not just physical pain, but what is going on in my life.

Good day = Get to do what I want to do.

Bad Day = Have to do what is needed, God taking me where I don't want to go, and/or red lights every block/no parking spot/parked in the middle of a puddle and got my feet wet, sometimes from slush/flood in basement/leaky roof kinds of days/favorite clothes must be thrown out.

And, darn if Spurgeon isn't right in what he says here. I do tend to wrap up bad days with "want to be with the Lord," which rarely means I actually want to be with him.

Just wondering if this doesn't hit home for others too.


“I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world.”
John 17:15

It is a sweet and blessed event which will occur to all believers in God's own time—the going home to be with Jesus. In a few more years the Lord's soldiers, who are now fighting "the good fight of faith" will have done with conflict, and have entered into the joy of their Lord. But although Christ prays that His people may eventually be with Him where He is, He does not ask that they may be taken at once away from this world to heaven. He wishes them to stay here. Yet how frequently does the wearied pilgrim put up the prayer, "O that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away and be at rest"; but Christ does not pray like that, He leaves us in His Father's hands, until, like shocks of corn fully ripe, we shall each be gathered into our Master's garner. Jesus does not plead for our instant removal by death, for to abide in the flesh is needful for others if not profitable for ourselves. He asks that we may be kept from evil, but He never asks for us to be admitted to the inheritance in glory till we are of full age. Christians often want to die when they have any trouble. Ask them why, and they tell you, "Because we would be with the Lord." We fear it is not so much because they are longing to be with the Lord, as because they desire to get rid of their troubles; else they would feel the same wish to die at other times when not under the pressure of trial. They want to go home, not so much for the Saviour's company, as to be at rest. Now it is quite right to desire to depart if we can do it in the same spirit that Paul did, because to be with Christ is far better, but the wish to escape from trouble is a selfish one. Rather let your care and wish be to glorify God by your life here as long as He pleases, even though it be in the midst of toil, and conflict, and suffering, and leave Him to say when "it is enough."


Rather amazing how self-centered I/we can be, even when it comes to wanting to be with the Lord.
 
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I recognize I am self centered most days.

My good days are when I stop long enough to listen to God and do what He wants me to do.

My bad days is when I am a jerk to everyone elsewhere or depressed or wallow in self pity or regret..,those are the days I want to "be home with the Lord"

However God shakes me out of my selfish funk and tells me He still has a purpose for my life. He sets my feet back on solid ground.

Unfortunately sometimes I feel my bad days are more frequent than my good ones.
 

Chavah

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So, lately I have bad days and worse days

Bad days are those, when bad things happens and I can feel that God is watching me, that it is not coincidence but His hand, and so He is watching my reaction, but I choose to believe that even if it doesn't seems so, He wants my good ..

Worse days are those, when bad things happens and I can feel that God is watching me, that it is not coincidence but His hand and He is watching my reaction and I choose to believe that He wants my bad ..

Both times I flirt with thoughts to not be here in this earth, but it is more about wishing to disappear, to stop existing completely, or to have never been born ... so that I don't have to deal with hurt or doubts about God ...rather than meeting and rejoicing with Lord and that part of my family who are already there in heaven ...

So yes, not really a Spurgeon style here neither .. I have only my selfish view on death as well ..
 

Didymous

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I have two kinds of days -- good days and bad days. The labels are directly related to how much of a pain the day is. Not just physical pain, but what is going on in my life.

Good day = Get to do what I want to do.

Bad Day = Have to do what is needed, God taking me where I don't want to go, and/or red lights every block/no parking spot/parked in the middle of a puddle and got my feet wet, sometimes from slush/flood in basement/leaky roof kinds of days/favorite clothes must be thrown out.

And, darn if Spurgeon isn't right in what he says here. I do tend to wrap up bad days with "want to be with the Lord," which rarely means I actually want to be with him.

Just wondering if this doesn't hit home for others too.


“I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world.”
John 17:15

It is a sweet and blessed event which will occur to all believers in God's own time—the going home to be with Jesus. In a few more years the Lord's soldiers, who are now fighting "the good fight of faith" will have done with conflict, and have entered into the joy of their Lord. But although Christ prays that His people may eventually be with Him where He is, He does not ask that they may be taken at once away from this world to heaven. He wishes them to stay here. Yet how frequently does the wearied pilgrim put up the prayer, "O that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away and be at rest"; but Christ does not pray like that, He leaves us in His Father's hands, until, like shocks of corn fully ripe, we shall each be gathered into our Master's garner. Jesus does not plead for our instant removal by death, for to abide in the flesh is needful for others if not profitable for ourselves. He asks that we may be kept from evil, but He never asks for us to be admitted to the inheritance in glory till we are of full age. Christians often want to die when they have any trouble. Ask them why, and they tell you, "Because we would be with the Lord." We fear it is not so much because they are longing to be with the Lord, as because they desire to get rid of their troubles; else they would feel the same wish to die at other times when not under the pressure of trial. They want to go home, not so much for the Saviour's company, as to be at rest. Now it is quite right to desire to depart if we can do it in the same spirit that Paul did, because to be with Christ is far better, but the wish to escape from trouble is a selfish one. Rather let your care and wish be to glorify God by your life here as long as He pleases, even though it be in the midst of toil, and conflict, and suffering, and leave Him to say when "it is enough."


Rather amazing how self-centered I/we can be, even when it comes to wanting to be with the Lord.
Yes , dear sister, I sometimes feel this way, which is why-instead of saying why me?-I've learned it's better to say, why not me? As in send me, Lord.
 

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On bad days, my first thought is not exactly dying, but more along the lines of wanting to just sleep through it. Blissful way of escape. :)
 

Didymous

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On bad days, my first thought is not exactly dying, but more along the lines of wanting to just sleep through it. Blissful way of escape. :)
Yes, I sometimes have such days-usually when I do young man work with my old man body.
 
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Yes , dear sister, I sometimes feel this way, which is why-instead of saying why me?-I've learned it's better to say, why not me? As in send me, Lord.
There was a moment in my life when I mentally yelled at God, "Why me?"

Quicker than I can think, he answered. "Why not you?"

Made me laugh. After all, who are we that we think God owes us something? We deserve hell. We get Earth. All in all, a very good deal already. Made better, but only by him, not us.
 
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On bad days, my first thought is not exactly dying, but more along the lines of wanting to just sleep through it. Blissful way of escape. :)
Yup. On the really bad days, I admit it. I look forward to sleeping if for no other reason than at least the day is over.
 

Didymous

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There was a moment in my life when I mentally yelled at God, "Why me?"

Quicker than I can think, he answered. "Why not you?"

Made me laugh. After all, who are we that we think God owes us something? We deserve hell. We get Earth. All in all, a very good deal already. Made better, but only by him, not us.
Yes, I had that moment too! Isn't He awesome!! All praise to God the Father-in the name of His most precious Son, amen!!!
 

JGIG

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I tend to think of them as easy days and hard days.

When your son is diagnosed with metastatic brain and spine cancer and is given a 0-10% chance at survival - that is a hard day.

But God is still in it.

When your son's scans and other tests come back clear after treatment - that is a easy day!

And God is in that, too!

And in between, there is a lot of mundane, day to day stuff - dishes, laundry, home schooling . . .

Opportunities to serve those around us - dog sitting for the lady across the road whose husband is having bypass surgery, taking them meals when he's back home, helping fiends move, taking time out to listen to someone in crisis . . .

And God is there, too.

He's in the red lights (who knows what He's protecting you from?), letting you be an example (good or bad) for your children in the van, how you treat the checkout lady in the loooong line at the store . . .

God is in all the moments of our lives, not to catch us when we mess up, or condemn us, but to be there as our Helper and to prompt us that sometimes He puts us in certain places, at certain times, with certain people (even if they're members of our own household) because He desires to love them - through us.

Do I have bad days?

Not many.

Some days are more annoying than others, ha. Like when I turned my ankle and completely tore the outside ligament, chipped part of the bone off the ankle, and have to wear a brace for at least six weeks with a major trip coming up at exactly the six week mark! But God is in it - showing me His provision, protection (it didn't break, and it really should have!), and His mercy (no cast, just a brace, and only during the day!)

Trite though is may sound . . .


24 This is the day that the Lord has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it. (from Ps. 118)





-JGIG
 
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I tend to think of them as easy days and hard days.

When your son is diagnosed with metastatic brain and spine cancer and is given a 0-10% chance at survival - that is a hard day.

But God is still in it.

When your son's scans and other tests come back clear after treatment - that is a easy day!

And God is in that, too!

And in between, there is a lot of mundane, day to day stuff - dishes, laundry, home schooling . . .

Opportunities to serve those around us - dog sitting for the lady across the road whose husband is having bypass surgery, taking them meals when he's back home, helping fiends move, taking time out to listen to someone in crisis . . .

And God is there, too.

He's in the red lights (who knows what He's protecting you from?), letting you be an example (good or bad) for your children in the van, how you treat the checkout lady in the loooong line at the store . . .

God is in all the moments of our lives, not to catch us when we mess up, or condemn us, but to be there as our Helper and to prompt us that sometimes He puts us in certain places, at certain times, with certain people (even if they're members of our own household) because He desires to love them - through us.

Do I have bad days?

Not many.

Some days are more annoying than others, ha. Like when I turned my ankle and completely tore the outside ligament, chipped part of the bone off the ankle, and have to wear a brace for at least six weeks with a major trip coming up at exactly the six week mark! But God is in it - showing me His provision, protection (it didn't break, and it really should have!), and His mercy (no cast, just a brace, and only during the day!)

Trite though is may sound . . .

24 This is the day that the Lord has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it. (from Ps. 118)





-JGIG
The places the Lord takes me that I don't want to go is that same 10% chance of surviving for hubby. I'd much prefer "healthy, healthy, healthy" diagnoses. I mean, I keep telling God this, but he doesn't stop. :rolleyes:
 
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I try to not let events in the day rule my Outlook. I remind myself that God did not want this for us either. I put on my head phones and block out the world and thoughts for the short time I prepare for work. Turning on the Christian station in my truck I listen to the teachings as I head off to work humming the praise songs I listen on my head phones previous.
A short prayer and my day starts.
I sorta try to surround myself with encouraging words and thoughts...it helps. I told my son "don't let the day control you learn to control the day.
I pray that every saint dust there self off , stand strong in the faith, strighten out there crown and follow him.

The past is forever gone
The future is yet to be
But today is a gift
That's why they call it the present.
 

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We are with the Lord in prayer...at least it's the next best thing to being there :rolleyes:
 
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I try to not let events in the day rule my Outlook. I remind myself that God did not want this for us either. I put on my head phones and block out the world and thoughts for the short time I prepare for work. Turning on the Christian station in my truck I listen to the teachings as I head off to work humming the praise songs I listen on my head phones previous.
A short prayer and my day starts.
I sorta try to surround myself with encouraging words and thoughts...it helps. I told my son "don't let the day control you learn to control the day.
I pray that every saint dust there self off , stand strong in the faith, strighten out there crown and follow him.

The past is forever gone
The future is yet to be
But today is a gift
That's why they call it the present.
I am struck by the oddity that you, of all people, would teach your son that we have control over a day. How many of those days would you have skipped all together, if you really did have control? I can think of some things I surely would have skipped, if I had control of life:
-- Sickness and death of loved ones.
-- My own sickness.
-- Hospitals and doctors would never be a part of my life.
-- Money would not have left the building... or more like, if it did leave, it would have been spent on fun stuff. :rolleyes:
-- A novel would be published and on the shelves by now.

As for God not wanting this for us? Is he so incompetent, he just couldn't help it? Of course he wanted this for us. If this wasn't his plan, this wouldn't happen. I would think, of all people, you'd get that. Do you think that cancer was something that just kind of happened because God couldn't help himself, or did he have you go through that for lots of reasons?

I see the past as example after example after example of God showing us he is worthy. He is in control. He is sovereign. Thankfully, we are not.
 
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Oh boy! Another "God can't help himself" book.
 

Angela53510

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Wow! Best devotional ever posted on CC! Because it tells us to fix our eyes in Jesus!

[FONT=&quot]Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame,and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:1-2

Sometime around 2009, after I had the foot reconstruction that didn’t go well, I had a massive pity party, thinking about how RA had messed up my life, and would continue to give me pain and deformities. God let my cry, my husband let me cry, and tried to comfort me, then, when I was done, God said, “No more pity parties!”in THAT voice.

I’ve been good since then, for the most part! Although I do confess sometimes I feel jealousy when I hear someone has died. But that is because some days, the pain is too much! Not because I want to see Jesus.

When my father was dying, 5 months after he got saved, he would cry out every night for Jesus to take him home. He would say things to the effect that he wanted to be with him. I know he was tired of suffering, but he also really did want to meet his Saviour face to face!


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I try to not let events in the day rule my Outlook. I remind myself that God did not want this for us either. I put on my head phones and block out the world and thoughts for the short time I prepare for work. Turning on the Christian station in my truck I listen to the teachings as I head off to work humming the praise songs I listen on my head phones previous.
A short prayer and my day starts.
I sorta try to surround myself with encouraging words and thoughts...it helps. I told my son "don't let the day control you learn to control the day.
I pray that every saint dust there self off , stand strong in the faith, strighten out there crown and follow him.

The past is forever gone
The future is yet to be
But today is a gift
That's why they call it the present.
Nice poem!!!
 
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