Was God the Cause of the Sins in this World?

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newton3003

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Under God, the Law and the prophets are summed up under two great commandments, with the second one being that we love eachother as we love ourselves.

Now we know from reading the Scriptures that things didn’t work out that way from the get-go, from just after the Garden of Eden to the present time. We often ask, Why in a world created by God, would we have hatred and other sins, among people? Why did God not provide a world in which no hatred and other sins can be found? And that said, is He to blame for the sin that exists in the world?

Let’s look at the last question. What did God create according to Genesis 1? He created the heavens and the earth, He gave the earth water and life, and He created a man and a woman. Did He create Satan, who stands for the sin of the world? Genesis 1 doesn’t answer that question. But after Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge, we have this intriguing passage, Genesis 3: 22- “Then the LORD God said, ‘Behold, the man has become LIKE ONE OF US in knowing good and evil.’” Where did the “us” come from?” The Bible doesn’t say who created “us.” And we have to presume that Satan, who tempted Adam and Eve through the serpent, is one of the “us” too. It would seem then that God had no part in creating Satan, the master of sin.

Could God, being God, destroy Satan if He wanted to? That question can be addressed another time, but for now, the Satan and his sins have existed from the beginning. Jesus in John 8:44 says to a group claiming to be Abraham’s offspring, “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” In other words, Jesus says, in effect, ‘No sirs, you are not from Abraham, rather, you are from the devil, who from the beginning tried to destroy that which God had created, including man.’ At this point in history, the sins of the world have existed side-by side with those who strive for righteousness, and as Satan has tempted Jesus, is constantly tempting God’s children.

And the Bible tells us that we were conceived in sin, not that giving birth is a sin, but rather we were born in a world of sin, thanks to Satan. As hatred is a sin, we were born into a world of hatred. It would appear that God let things get out of hand by allowing for hatred to spread throughout the world, alongside those whom God commanded to have dominion over the earth and whom God in that quest manipulated the inhabitants of Babel to spread out in the world.

It seems that things would be a lot simpler if God destroyed Satan before creating Adam and Eve, so that sin wouldn’t exist in the world. But for whatever reason, He didn’t, and we are stuck with him, forever being tempted by him into the sin which causes some people to hate eachother. And so for all of us it is a struggle to avoid being lured into hating eachother when Jesus has made us realize that the Law and the prophets have commanded that we love eachother.
 

Noose

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Light shines even brighter when it is dark and without darkness there would be no light/ without ugliness there is no beauty/ without sin there is no righteousness. God is all these good things from the beginning and He is also truth from the beginning- meaning that everything else falls in place based on what God is. That is why it is said that only His will happens and will happen.

But take note:
Isa 5: 20Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
 

trofimus

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Only in the meaning like a river is a cause of the fact that heavier ship is slower than a light one in the same stream.

Its called "privation of good", privatio boni, philosophically.
 
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soberxp

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yes,we know that commanded we love eachother, can you point as someone and said :"u are satan" or "you are son of satan" ? ofc , we can not. in our chinese we have a book and a saint teach us :"Man's nature at birth is good "and "Lewdness is the head of all sins.;
" so where is the bad things come from ? I don't think that all come from satan or the serpent the Garden of Eden one, satan sounds as the word "foolish" in chinese ,so I think that means lack wisdom of word of god, cuz some good wish can be bad at some situation,such as wants a Beautiful wife but Covet someone else's wife,
I also think why god not made us as he made adam ,give his a "a helper suitable for him"? such as he made a man give his a women "a helper suitable for him" and made another man and give his a women " a helper suitable for him"? why not that's sounds Very fair , but god didn't do that Instead of women bacame wife.
 

soberxp

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Genesis 3: 22- “Then the LORD God said, ‘Behold, the man has become LIKE ONE OF US in knowing good and evil.’”
why women became wife ? I think that's sort of " ‘Behold, the man has become LIKE ONE OF US" ,yes god created adam, but we are not god , how can we create life as god , so i think god wants us to understanding what's create life as god .god Punishment and reward at the same time. cuz all law of god about "life" ,do u get what i mean ? not the law about "sins"

so god never fault abut teaching us , so God is not the Cause of the Sins in this World
 

Didymous

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Under God, the Law and the prophets are summed up under two great commandments, with the second one being that we love eachother as we love ourselves.

Now we know from reading the Scriptures that things didn’t work out that way from the get-go, from just after the Garden of Eden to the present time. We often ask, Why in a world created by God, would we have hatred and other sins, among people? Why did God not provide a world in which no hatred and other sins can be found? And that said, is He to blame for the sin that exists in the world?

Let’s look at the last question. What did God create according to Genesis 1? He created the heavens and the earth, He gave the earth water and life, and He created a man and a woman. Did He create Satan, who stands for the sin of the world? Genesis 1 doesn’t answer that question. But after Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge, we have this intriguing passage, Genesis 3: 22- “Then the LORD God said, ‘Behold, the man has become LIKE ONE OF US in knowing good and evil.’” Where did the “us” come from?” The Bible doesn’t say who created “us.” And we have to presume that Satan, who tempted Adam and Eve through the serpent, is one of the “us” too. It would seem then that God had no part in creating Satan, the master of sin.

Could God, being God, destroy Satan if He wanted to? That question can be addressed another time, but for now, the Satan and his sins have existed from the beginning. Jesus in John 8:44 says to a group claiming to be Abraham’s offspring, “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” In other words, Jesus says, in effect, ‘No sirs, you are not from Abraham, rather, you are from the devil, who from the beginning tried to destroy that which God had created, including man.’ At this point in history, the sins of the world have existed side-by side with those who strive for righteousness, and as Satan has tempted Jesus, is constantly tempting God’s children.

And the Bible tells us that we were conceived in sin, not that giving birth is a sin, but rather we were born in a world of sin, thanks to Satan. As hatred is a sin, we were born into a world of hatred. It would appear that God let things get out of hand by allowing for hatred to spread throughout the world, alongside those whom God commanded to have dominion over the earth and whom God in that quest manipulated the inhabitants of Babel to spread out in the world.

It seems that things would be a lot simpler if God destroyed Satan before creating Adam and Eve, so that sin wouldn’t exist in the world. But for whatever reason, He didn’t, and we are stuck with him, forever being tempted by him into the sin which causes some people to hate eachother. And so for all of us it is a struggle to avoid being lured into hating eachother when Jesus has made us realize that the Law and the prophets have commanded that we love eachother.
There's no basis for that thought. God created ALL things, including Satan.
 

newton3003

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There's no basis for that thought. God created ALL things, including Satan.
***Where in the Bible does it categorically say that God created Satan? And why would God in His Righteousness create him?
 

Nehemiah6

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There's no basis for that thought. God created ALL things, including Satan.
To say that God "created Satan" is to say that God deliberately made an angel rebel against Him, and seek to be higher than God. Well that is absurd.

But one could say that God created the angel Lucifer with a free will, and Lucifer chose to think evil thoughts against God, and thus became His Adversary.

That is what the Hebrew ha Satan means. Adversary.

And that would be perfectly according to Scripture.

So we need to take extreme care in how we present Bible truth. Someone who has no clue would conclude from your statement that God is the ultimate Author of Sin and Evil. And that would be false.
 

Didymous

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To say that God "created Satan" is to say that God deliberately made an angel rebel against Him, and seek to be higher than God. Well that is absurd.

But one could say that God created the angel Lucifer with a free will, and Lucifer chose to think evil thoughts against God, and thus became His Adversary.

That is what the Hebrew ha Satan means. Adversary.

And that would be perfectly according to Scripture.

So we need to take extreme care in how we present Bible truth. Someone who has no clue would conclude from your statement that God is the ultimate Author of Sin and Evil. And that would be false.
What's absurd is that you think God is limited by your limited mind.
 

Nehemiah6

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What's absurd is that you think God is limited by your limited mind.
God is *limited* by His own absolute righteousness and holiness. God is LIGHT and in Him is no darkness at all.
 

Didymous

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God is *limited* by His own absolute righteousness and holiness. God is LIGHT and in Him is no darkness at all.
If your line of thinking was true,then Jesus never could've become sin-otherwise we'd all be baptized into evil. But sin never madeJesus evil.
 

jameen

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The causes of sin in this world are no other than man's inventions such as illegal drugs, pornography, weapons of war etc.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.


God gave us freewill to choose good or evil as you can read in Deuteronomy 30:19
 

slave

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God is *limited* by His own absolute righteousness and holiness. God is LIGHT and in Him is no darkness at all.
God is limited? Is that your story and what you are sticking to? Show me Scripture where God is ever limited. Show me Scripture where He is ever subordinate to evil, and the author of lies. God is anything but limited in power. He is Decisive in His Unlimited Power. What is your point here to prove led by the Lord? Has He called you to this point? For what spiritual gain and enlightenment to the glory of God have you designed in your statements? This, after all, would be your purpose as a Christian right? To glorify God in speaking reality based on His Authority. Are you trying to shove puzzle pieces together to build a picture you have seen in your mind? But not in the Spirit of God?
 

Didymous

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God is limited? Is that your story and what you are sticking to? Show me Scripture where God is ever limited. Show me Scripture where He is ever subordinate to evil, and the author of lies. God is anything but limited in power. He is Decisive in His Unlimited Power. What is your point here to prove led by the Lord? Has He called you to this point? For what spiritual gain and enlightenment to the glory of God have you designed in your statements? This, after all, would be your purpose as a Christian right? To glorify God in speaking reality based on His Authority. Are you trying to shove puzzle pieces together to build a picture you have seen in your mind? But not in the Spirit of God?
Sounds like you made his point better than he did-not that I'm saying it's right, or that you agree with it.
 

slave

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There's no basis for that thought. God created ALL things, including Satan.

Including Lucifer that is....yes. When Lucifer was found with rebellion he then became the anti-god spirit and the devil. When He went down to earth to destroy, devour, and murder God's children he became the author of lies. It is then he also became satan to man, as he is the devil to God based on His decisive power.
 
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Didymous

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Including Lucifer that is....yes. When Lucifer was found with rebellion he then became the anti-god spirit and the devil. When He went down to earth to destroy, devour, and murder God's children he became the author of lies. It is then he also became satan to man, as he is the devil to God.
As you say sir, as long as you don't disagree with me!!!:cool:
 

Didymous

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A better wording would've been, ' you clarified his point better than he did himself,' not that the point was valid, or correct.
 

Didymous

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And this, sir, was why one of my first posts was on written communication. We have a hard time understanding each other when we're talking face to face, sometimes. Howuch more so when we attempt written communication via the ether.