Do spirits come out of our mouths when we speak, like they did with Jesus?

know1 · May 6, 2018

Personally, I find this subject fascinating.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The bible says the word of God is spirit and life, a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, and that it is ALIVE.

I would like to point out that Jesus created all things by the spirit of His mouth or by the spoken word of God. That it was THE WORD ITSELF that created and upholds all things.

And in the spirit of trying to keep this short and simple, if the word of God abides in us and we speak the same said word, will there be a spirit of our mouth that goes forth to do what it was commanded to do, or not?

trofimus · May 6, 2018

Greek word "pneuma" can mean spirit, breath or wind.

The KJV translators made a strange choice again.

Its breath, not spirit, what comes out of a mouth.

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New International Version
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

New Living Translation
Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.

English Standard Version
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

Berean Study Bible
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

Berean Literal Bible
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will consume with the breath of His mouth and will annul by the appearing of His coming,

New American Standard Bible
Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

King James Bible
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Christian Standard Bible
and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of his mouth and will bring him to nothing at the appearance of his coming.

Contemporary English Version
Then he will appear, but the Lord Jesus will kill him simply by breathing on him. He will be completely destroyed by the Lord's glorious return.

Good News Translation
Then the Wicked One will be revealed, but when the Lord Jesus comes, he will kill him with the breath from his mouth and destroy him with his dazzling presence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.

International Standard Version
Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy with the breath of his mouth, rendering him powerless by the manifestation of his coming.

NET Bible
and then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy by the breath of his mouth and wipe out by the manifestation of his arrival.

Nehemiah6 · May 6, 2018

trofimus said:

While breath is completely accurate (in lexical terms), there is is good reason why the KJV translators used "spirit". Christ has a glorified human body, which means that He breathes as we do. But it is not His literal breath which will destroy the Antichrist. It is the spiritual and divine power of His words which will destroy the Man of Sin. Just as Christ could resurrect men with His words (e.g. Lazarus), He can kill men (His enemies) with His words, either by a direct command or by calling down divine judgment or supernatural fire. So it is the spiritual and divine power of Christ's words which are "the spirit of His mouth".

Nehemiah6 · May 6, 2018

know1 said:

No. This term is strictly applicable to God the Son. Just as God spoke the worlds into existence and created life, He can speak death to His enemies and they will die.

MessageOfTheCross · May 6, 2018

When God calls you He appoints you. And when He appoints you He anoints you. And when He anoints you and you are divinely positioned nothing can stop you. Anointing breaks yokes and anointing lifts burdens. Anointing creates excess to GLORY. When a person is anointed - the greater the anointing the greater the move of God in a place. An anointed person opens the heavens and the GLORY of the LORD comes and meets needs in a place. Talent and flesh is not a anointing; it’s tinkling cymbal and sounding brass. Brothers and Sisters when someone gets up who is anointed you feel the Heavens shifting and God comes so low to meet that need. Anointing is empowerment to deal with DEMONIC stuff. If Jesus needed the anointing of the Holy Spirit, we need it. That's why when Jesus came He said, "The Spirit of the Lord upon Me - He has anointed Me." That ANOINTING open the Heavens, healed the sick, healed the oppress, open blind eyes, raised the dead, made people whole by meeting every need, multiplied bread, filled boats with fish and so much more! It was His anointing that open the Heavens.

trofimus · May 6, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

...which are "the breath of His mouth".

The KJV reading produces so many confusion and strange teachings.

MessageOfTheCross · May 6, 2018

MessageOfTheCross said:

Please note: Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it (Lamentations 3:37)?

Authority can never be released in silence. The bible says, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (Luke 6:45).” The whole idea and reason why the Devil want the Christian believers to keep their mouth shut is because if you don’t speak, spirits don’t leave!

graceNpeace · May 6, 2018

MessageOfTheCross said:

This conclusion is right up with the dumbest things I have ever witnessed on this forum - and that is going some!!!!

Ahwatukee · May 6, 2018

Greetings know1,

The reference to the Lord slaying with the "breath of his mouth" is in reference to Him speaking the word of God, which symbolically is that "double-edged sword" which is referred to in Revelation 1:16, 2:12, 19:15, 21. Therefore, when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, His consuming of the antichrist/beast with the breath of His mouth, will be His spoken word to have both the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire, as revealed in Rev.19:20. The following scriptures identify the double-edged sword as being the spoken word of God:

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

Joidevivre · May 6, 2018

Taking this in a whole other direction, I can always discern a "spirit" behind what people speak. Many times it originates from the person, himself. A spirit of anger - a spirit of compassion - a spirit of wisdom - a spirit of love, etc.

In many Christians, I sense the Holy Spirit flowing with the words.

Jesus said that it is out of the heart the mouth speaketh. Where the spirit of a man resides.

Zmouth · May 6, 2018

know1 said:

With the word of his mouth, which with truth is light and it burns up the lies in which the wicked dwell. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. John 8:15

The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: Mal 2:6

Beloved, believe not every word, but try the words whether they are of truth: because many false spirits are gone out into the world. (See John 8:47)

know1 said:

So did the light come from the word of God or did the word of God come from the light?

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:39

know1 said:

The sound of that doesn't taste quite right since I heard that the Word came not from itself but from the LORD, who is the image of the eternal God. While the eternal God is Light, the LORD is the Spirit, who is the image of the invisible light. Thus the Spirit is not a pnuema, but a phasma.

The pnuema, or Word is spirit as written, it proceeded forth and came from the Spirit, which is the Holy Ghost (See Matthew 1:20).

know1 said:

Depends, does the word come from the heart (Prov 12:23) or does the mouth of the spirit speak with his lips? (Prov 15:7)

know1 · May 6, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So who is this scripture applicable to?

I don't know much about the dragon and the beast, but I'm sure at least the false prophet will be a man that has an unclean spirit go out of His mouth.

Questions-

Isn't God's word spirit? And doesn't that same word of God go out of our mouths when we speak it?

And doesn't faith come by hearing? And isn't the faith of God a spirit of and from God?

Isn't it written that Jesus' word was with power, and that the power of God is the word of God.

How then was I able to cast out spirits and get healed, if the words I spoke in the name of Jesus, was without the power of the spirit that is in the word of God?

Doesn't the Spirit of God dwell in us THROUGH the word of God? Isn't that the seed that was planted in our hearts?

know1 · May 6, 2018

trofimus said:

I'm having a hard time believing you actually said that, and even more, that you believe the scripture's talking about Jesus' natural breath.

He must have some kind of nasty breath for it to consume his enemies.

Okay, enough of the natural, what about the spiritual.

God's word IS SPIRIT, we speak that word, why do you say the Spirit in God's word doesn't go out our mouth when we preach the gospel?

know1 · May 6, 2018

MessageOfTheCross said:

When God calls you He appoints you. And when He appoints you He anoints you. And when He anoints you and you are divinely positioned nothing can stop you. Anointing breaks yokes and anointing lifts burdens. Anointing creates excess to GLORY. When a person is anointed - the greater the anointing the greater the move of God in a place. An anointed person opens the heavens and the GLORY of the LORD comes and meets needs in a place. Talent and flesh is not a anointing; it’s tinkling cymbal and sounding brass. Brothers and Sisters when someone gets up who is anointed you feel the Heavens shifting and God comes so low to meet that need. Anointing is empowerment to deal with DEMONIC stuff. If Jesus needed the anointing of the Holy Spirit, we need it. That's why when Jesus came He said, "The Spirit of the Lord upon Me - He has anointed Me." That ANOINTING open the Heavens, healed the sick, healed the oppress, open blind eyes, raised the dead, made people whole by meeting every need, multiplied bread, filled boats with fish and so much more! It was His anointing that open the Heavens.

And what is that anointing sir?

Is it bad breath, wind, energy, a spirit or something else?

know1 · May 6, 2018

trofimus said:

Okay sir, let's interpret it as the natural breath of Jesus, because He was and is flesh and blood.

Now let's compare that with the below verse with the same carnally minded interpretation, only, you won't have to change the literal meaning of the words.

Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

I am sure you claim to be born again yourself, but since you haven't literally eaten Jesus' flesh and drank His red blood, you sir, have no life abiding in you.

That is if you apply the same silly natural interpretation to the above verse as you appear to be doing with 2Thes 2:8.

God doesn't have bad breath that kills or consumes.

know1 · May 6, 2018

MessageOfTheCross said:

Very good post sir.

If you don't mind, can you tell me what the "servant" in the below verses is referring to?

Hint hint, what is the word "it", referring to? What is "it"?

Taking into consideration that both the faith of God within us and the word of God, is spirit.

Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say [verbally] unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

I have another one for you, if you don't mind.

Who or what is the "soldier" and "servant" being referred to by the centurion?

Luk 7:7 Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed.
Luk 7:8 For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Luk 7:9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Why did Jesus marvel? What did the Centurion know that Jesus said his faith was greater than all Israel?

Again, what is the subject the Centurion is talking about?

Do you know?

know1 · May 6, 2018

graceNpeace said:

You sir are speaking in ignorance, as though you know all compared to the ever so inferior individual you so arrogantly took pleasure in belittling.

The man was spot on.

Isn't it written that death and life is in the power of the tongue?

One cannot use the tongue in silence, can they?

know1 · May 7, 2018

Ahwatukee said:

Greetings know1,

The reference to the Lord slaying with the "breath of his mouth" is in reference to Him speaking the word of God, which symbolically is that "double-edged sword" which is referred to in Revelation 1:16, 2:12, 19:15, 21. Therefore, when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, His consuming of the antichrist/beast with the breath of His mouth, will be His spoken word to have both the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire, as revealed in Rev.19:20. The following scriptures identify the double-edged sword as being the spoken word of God:

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

Thank you sir for that good post.

know1 · May 7, 2018

Joidevivre said:

It is also where the Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the word of God resides.

know1 · May 7, 2018

Zmouth said:

With the word of his mouth, which with truth is light and it burns up the lies in which the wicked dwell. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. John 8:15

The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: Mal 2:6

Beloved, believe not every word, but try the words whether they are of truth: because many false spirits are gone out into the world. (See John 8:47)

So did the light come from the word of God or did the word of God come from the light?

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:39

The sound of that doesn't taste quite right since I heard that the Word came not from itself but from the LORD, who is the image of the eternal God. While the eternal God is Light, the LORD is the Spirit, who is the image of the invisible light. Thus the Spirit is not a pnuema, but a phasma.

The pnuema, or Word is spirit as written, it proceeded forth and came from the Spirit, which is the Holy Ghost (See Matthew 1:20).

Depends, does the word come from the heart (Prov 12:23) or does the mouth of the spirit speak with his lips? (Prov 15:7)

As others have pointed out, the word of God is many things, it is not just light.

Even light and darkness are spirits.

Do spirits come out of our mouths when we speak, like they did with Jesus?

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