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    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    One of the hyper-grace teachers said that sin is a symptom of a confused identity. I think that matches what I bolded in your quote rather well.
    If we are truly in Christ, we will feel horrible while being in sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by LW97 View Post
    If we are truly in Christ, we will feel horrible while being in sin
    Eternal IN-securists sure seem determined to lump most believers in the OSAS camp as hyper-grace teachers.
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    i think people should stop identifying with these man made terms of men


    then the wolves using strawmen to attack a broad vauge faceless group of people will have no power

    and much less time will be wasted


    if someone is attacking "easy believism"

    you dont even know what they mean until they define it

    are they saying it is the false belief where you say a prayer and "feel" like you meant it and youre saved? (definitely a false belief.... in which case it is good to stand against someone who believes the work of saying a prayer paired with a desire to be saved indeed saves them)


    or are they attacking the fact that we are saved by grace through faith not of works

    before works

    apart from works



    these silly terms wolves throw around and try to knock down should be ignored

    if we are going to debate it should be in order to try and reveal truth to another

    not defend or attack some man made non-biblical term


    i dont identify with "osas"
    but i do know for a fact based on scripture a born again son/daughter is saved already
    and this can not be undone


    i dont identify with "hypergrace"

    but i do know that God saves us
    and this is by His grace

    this isnt based on merit

    and it overpowers any and all sin
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    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Eternal IN-securists sure seem determined to lump most believers in the OSAS camp as hyper-grace teachers.
    Hyper grace,sounds like a bunch of people hopped up on caffeine.
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    I'm a self proclaimed troll tracker.
    I am hopeless...thankfully though Jesus's grace is sufficient for my weakness.
    I have a tendency to speak through the spirit if you can't handle that get some ear plugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    i think people should stop identifying with these man made terms of men


    then the wolves using strawmen to attack a broad vauge faceless group of people will have no power

    and much less time will be wasted


    if someone is attacking "easy believism"

    you dont even know what they mean until they define it

    are they saying it is the false belief where you say a prayer and "feel" like you meant it and youre saved? (definitely a false belief.... in which case it is good to stand against someone who believes the work of saying a prayer paired with a desire to be saved indeed saves them)


    or are they attacking the fact that we are saved by grace through faith not of works

    before works

    apart from works



    these silly terms wolves throw around and try to knock down should be ignored

    if we are going to debate it should be in order to try and reveal truth to another

    not defend or attack some man made non-biblical term


    i dont identify with "osas"
    but i do know for a fact based on scripture a born again son/daughter is saved already
    and this can not be undone


    i dont identify with "hypergrace"

    but i do know that God saves us
    and this is by His grace

    this isnt based on merit

    and it overpowers any and all sin
    You take that back I have a "Face"!
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    I'm a self proclaimed troll tracker.
    I am hopeless...thankfully though Jesus's grace is sufficient for my weakness.
    I have a tendency to speak through the spirit if you can't handle that get some ear plugs.
    Quote Originally Posted by WineRose View Post
    Joefizz = Jojo's Bizzare Adventure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Eternal IN-securists sure seem determined to lump most believers in the OSAS camp as hyper-grace teachers.
    LOL! Many "eternal securists" seem determined to lump most believers in the non-OSAS camp as "insecure" in their faith!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Eternal IN-securists sure seem determined to lump most believers in the OSAS camp as hyper-grace teachers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    LOL! Many "eternal securists" seem determined to lump most believers in the non-OSAS camp as "insecure" in their faith!
    And they can dance and dance danceeeeeee.
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    I'm a self proclaimed troll tracker.
    I am hopeless...thankfully though Jesus's grace is sufficient for my weakness.
    I have a tendency to speak through the spirit if you can't handle that get some ear plugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    And they can dance and dance danceeeeeee.
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    I'm a self proclaimed troll tracker.
    I am hopeless...thankfully though Jesus's grace is sufficient for my weakness.
    I have a tendency to speak through the spirit if you can't handle that get some ear plugs.
    Quote Originally Posted by WineRose View Post
    Joefizz = Jojo's Bizzare Adventure!
    Quote Originally Posted by Milktalk View Post
    haha joey joe joe - a roo!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    LOL! Many "eternal securists" seem determined to lump most believers in the non-OSAS camp as "insecure" in their faith!

    Well what else would you put them in? Since they are trusting in their own ability to do whatever one must do, or their own power to not do what must not be done to maintain their salvation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Eternal IN-securists sure seem determined to lump most believers in the OSAS camp as hyper-grace teachers.
    Or free grace, or people who love sin, or haters of the law and god.. they have a few names for us
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Since they are trusting in their own ability to do whatever one must do, or their own power to not do what must not be done to maintain their salvation?
    Not even remotely true. Not believing in once saved always saved does not automatically have to mean you're trusting in self. But I understand that is the only way the church can see it. And, of course, since that's the only way they are capable of seeing it, it has to be that way.


    No one can trust in Christ except that God gives the faith to know the gospel is really true to begin with. And even the trusting we do in response to the gift of faith can only last with God's help and encouragement. That's hardly you trusting in self. Trusting in Christ to be saved when you first trusted in Christ was not you trusting in yourself, and it certainly isn't now.


    "do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward."-Hebrews 10:35


    Don't throw away your confidence in Christ, people. Keep believing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    Not even remotely true. Not believing in once saved always saved does not automatically have to mean you're trusting in self.
    keep decieving yourself and believing this. See hiw far it gets you in judgment day

    But I understand that is the only way the church can see it. And, of course, since that's the only way they are capable of seeing it, it has to be that way.


    No one can trust in Christ except that God gives the faith to know the gospel is really true to begin with. And even the trusting we do in response to the gift of faith can only last with God's help and encouragement. That's hardly you trusting in self. Trusting in Christ to be saved when you first trusted in Christ was not you trusting in yourself, and it certainly isn't now.


    "do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward."-Hebrews 10:35


    Don't throw away your confidence in Christ, people. Keep believing.
    1, any work you do can only be done with gods help and encouragement, so thanks, you just proved how you believe ones faith is a work,

    2. I have faith in christ, because i trust he can and will save me, and i trust i need saved, that trust will never fade, unless god becomes untrustworthy.

    sorry you do not trust god completely.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    hebrews 10


    35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

    36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

    37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

    38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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    john 6


    28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

    29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

    37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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    1 John 2:19
    19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us

    those who are of us (born again believers)
    continue with us

    and we are not of them that cast away their "confidence"


    a saving faith endures until the end

    a flimsy faith that only appears genuine before some men and only for a time that can be walked away from is not genuine to begin with

    God isnt decieved


    there is no such thing as a born again child of God losing salvation


    He will not lose EVEN ONE of His own
    Philippians 3:9
    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Well what else would you put them in? Since they are trusting in their own ability to do whatever one must do, or their own power to not do what must not be done to maintain their salvation?
    Put OSAS believers into the hyper-grace camp?

    Well, what else would you put them into? Since they are trusting in God's grace to keep them saved even when they knowingly and willingly sin and keep on sinning (and say it doesn't matter how they live)!!!! And you don't have to repent -- just believe and everything will be OK . . .

    !! LOL! Sarcasm, sarcasm, and more sarcasm . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    Put OSAS believers into the hyper-grace camp?

    Well, what else would you put them into? Since they are trusting in God's grace to keep them saved even when they knowingly and willingly sin and keep on sinning (and say it doesn't matter how they live)!!!! And you don't have to repent -- just believe and everything will be OK . . .

    !! LOL! Sarcasm, sarcasm, and more sarcasm . . .
    edit, i just saw the last line, forgive me, (ya got me good )

    but for those who think this is true.


    Hypergrace does not teach you can live in sin, they agree with john whoever lives in sin has never seen god or known him

    hypergrace does not say you do not have to repent, they say you repent in order to be saved, if you have not repented, you have no faith, and thus have no salvation, they also say you confess your sins to god and each other

    and hypergrace does not teach you just have to believe, they teach you have to have living faith.

    sadly, they promote health and wealth, but those things has nothing to do with te gospel or salvation, so will not speak of that subject when we are discussing the gospel which saves

    Last edited by eternally-gratefull; 5 Days Ago at 01:17 PM.
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    Strawman? LOL!

    All I have done is take the strawmen that were aimed at non-OSAS people and turned them to face the other way!

    See post #422 and #426
    See post #429 and #434

    Edit - yes - edit - now my strawman question has no reference point and I am the laughing stock!

    LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    Strawman? LOL!

    All I have done is take the strawmen that were aimed at non-OSAS people and turned them to face the other way!

    See post #422 and #426
    See post #429 and #434

    Edit - yes - edit - now my strawman question has no reference point and I am the laughing stock!

    LOL!
    Well that's the last straw!
    Go buy some more we'll wait!(hahaha hahaha)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Or free grace, or people who love sin, or haters of the law and god.. they have a few names for us
    They even call me Joefizz from time to time,wait....
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    I'm a self proclaimed troll tracker.
    I am hopeless...thankfully though Jesus's grace is sufficient for my weakness.
    I have a tendency to speak through the spirit if you can't handle that get some ear plugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    LOL! Many "eternal securists" seem determined to lump most believers in the non-OSAS camp as "insecure" in their faith!
    Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I was in the non-OSAS camp and was very insecure about salvation. I was on a roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to IN-security!
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    They even call me Joefizz from time to time,wait....
    man, your just a joefizz, those people are crazy!
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