Antichrist

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Noose

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Do not believe such. The antichrist is not a physical entity but a spiritual one; he has already been operating for the last 2000 years.
 

jb

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Do not believe such. The antichrist is not a physical entity but a spiritual one; he has already been operating for the last 2000 years.
The Scriptures proves you wrong...BIG TIME!

2Thess 2v1-12 refers to the Antichrist as "the man of sin," hardly a "spiritual" entity, but physical!
 

Noose

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The Scriptures proves you wrong...BIG TIME!

2Thess 2v1-12 refers to the Antichrist as "the man of sin," hardly a "spiritual" entity, but physical!
The bible has also referred to him as a beast; so is he a beast or a man?
 

Deade

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The Scriptures proves you wrong...BIG TIME!

2Thess 2v1-12 refers to the Antichrist as "the man of sin," hardly a "spiritual" entity, but physical!
Like Noose said: Antichrist is a spiritual movement just like Elijah is a faith movement. Who else fills the role of this Antichrist movement better than the popes. He claims he is in Christ's stead on earth.

2 Thess. 2:4
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The delusions the the Catholic Church has perpetrated on Christianity are horrific. When the Protestants finally spun off the main church they carried almost all the same deceptions with them. Mainstream Christianity is still far from serving God.

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NayborBear

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The Scriptures proves you wrong...BIG TIME!

2Thess 2v1-12 refers to the Antichrist as "the man of sin," hardly a "spiritual" entity, but physical!
No?...Your "interpretation" of 2Thess. 2:1-12 is wrong....BIG TIME! :eek:

"Flesh" man! Is the "man of sin!"...Been THAT way, since the "horizontal BOP" incident in the garden of Eden! :)
 

jb

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No?...Your "interpretation" of 2Thess. 2:1-12 is wrong....BIG TIME! :eek:

"Flesh" man! Is the "man of sin!"...Been THAT way, since the "horizontal BOP" incident in the garden of Eden! :)
lol...How spiritually myopic you are when you can't even read simple Scripture!

"The man of sin" is a man...Is that too difficult for you to understand, or do you need to go back to elementary school to learn how to read!
 

carl11

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lol...How spiritually myopic you are when you can't even read simple Scripture!

"The man of sin" is a man...Is that too difficult for you to understand, or do you need to go back to elementary school to learn how to read!
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

how do you reconcile 1Jn. 4:3. Where it says in the latter half “it is already here” ?
 

Katy-follower

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Do not believe such. The antichrist is not a physical entity but a spiritual one; he has already been operating for the last 2000 years.
I see your confusion. You're not distinguishing between THE end times Antichrist, and the many antichrists mentioned.


1 John 4:1-3: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world"


Rev 19:20: "Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone"

2 Thess 2:3-4: "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"

Daniel 7:8: "I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words"
 

tanakh

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From what I see in the Bible the Antichrist comes from the territory of the Greek Empire. When Alexander died his empire was split between his four Generals. Antiochus ruled an area that included Syria and. He also ruled Judea and claimed to be God. He desecrated the Temple by setting up a statue of Jupiter in it and sacrificing a sow on the alter. He was a type of the Antichrist who is called the Assyrian in Scripture. Syria was also part of the Assyrian Empire hence the name and their base was Turkey. Its no coincidence that these countries are in the news.

People are fixated with the west as being the place where the Antichrist comes from because of Rome. They forget that Rome also ruled the East. All the Empires in Daniels statue occupied Israel and covered the Middle East.

Much has been said about the Rapture. There are more than one position regarding the timing of it. Judging by events the second coming could happen very soon although no one knows when. Its something that people have tried to predict and failed many times.
 

crossnote

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Ugh, another 'Where's Waldo?' thread. :eek:
 

jb

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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

how do you reconcile 1Jn. 4:3. Where it says in the latter half “it is already here” ?
1John 2v18:

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour."

"The Antichrist is coming" future tense, i.e., "the man of sin" / "the son of perdition", the Beast, the little horn...and so forth, a man IS a person!

This is NOT "the spirit of antichrist" which is destructive heresy in the Church, false doctrines inspired by demons.

There now, wasn't that simple.
 

CS1

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The bible has also referred to him as a beast; so is he a beast or a man?
Context the anti-christ is the devils rep. and is now a spirit which is working in the world . But will be a person over taken by the devil himself.
 

Bladerunner

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Do not believe such. The antichrist is not a physical entity but a spiritual one; he has already been operating for the last 2000 years.
During the first three years of Daniels 70th week, the antichrist is a MAN, nothing more. I am sure he has guidance from satan as all the other evil doers do. The last three years begin with the Antichrist being wounded in the head and right arm. Is He killed or not....but it appears he (the man) is risen. At somewhere around the same time that the Antichrist is being wounded, there is a war in Heaven where Michael the arc angel and his army throws out Satan and his third of the angels. It is apparent from further verses that Satan takes over the body of the Man (antichrist) prior to him supposedly rising from the dead...It does not say anything about God being the one to perform the miracle and raise him from the Dead...Satan cannot and I say cannot raise anyone from the dead unless God allows him to.

Either way, it is Satan in the Body of the Man (antichrist) who steps into the Holy of Holies and declares himself GOD. The Abomination of Desolate that was foretold 2600+ years ago.

All the way through Daniel's 70th week, the Antichrist is in physical form..; up until the Church is taken out of the way, the Antichrist remains a mystery.
 

carl11

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1John 2v18:

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour."

"The Antichrist is coming" future tense, i.e., "the man of sin" / "the son of perdition", the Beast, the little horn...and so forth, a man IS a person!

This is NOT "the spirit of antichrist" which is destructive heresy in the Church, false doctrines inspired by demons.

There now, wasn't that simple.
the man of sin, the antichrist refer to one person and one person only and that is Satan you can read Is.14 and compare it with
The man of sin that sits in the temple to be worshiped. Now if you want to latch on to the word man then one could latch on the word son and yet how can Lucifer be a person he is a fallen angel / spirit.
 
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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Even though the antichrist spirit was working among them at that time,which is people that deny that Jesus is come in the flesh the antichrist shall come in the future,which can only be by physical entity.

It was spiritual that the antichrist spirit was working,but one day it shall be manifest in a human body that will deceive the world.

The antichrist spirit has been working in the world ever since Jesus resurrected to heaven,but the antichrist is a physical entity that shall happen in the future.

And what is the purpose for this that the antichrist shall come in a physical entity.

It is because God is love,and loves all people,and will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,so He will allow the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that does not love Him to follow a kingdom that is based on the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and people can still evolve,and do not acknowledge a personal God,but honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power,and believe the man of sin,New Age Christ,will harness the power of nature and obtain power,evolve,and will share this power with all who follow him.

Which is the way people of the world believe that they can be greater that is by the power of nature,for the powers that be want to establish evolution,and people can still evolve as the true religion in the world,and will go against all people that are contrary to that.

God has to one day end this sin business on earth,and has allotted mankind a certain amount of time to take a people out of the world that love Him,and has to allow the wicked to be as wicked as they can be so they will rebel against Him,and He can put them down.

God is not forcing anybody to follow the beast kingdom,but He is allowing the wicked to have their way for 7 years so He can put them down,and the wicked will do what the wicked will do,and that is to exalt themselves,and since God is allowing them to have their way they will be more wicked than they have ever been.

Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed(antichrist in physical entity) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

God only allows humans to go so far in their wickedness,and only allows the devil to be able to deceive them so much,for His ways will prevail on earth,but one day that restraint will be gone because God is allowing the world that does not love Him to be as wicked as they want to be,which they will exalt themselves highly,and say,I am and there is none else beside me,and will allow the devil to be able to deceive them as much as he wants,for it is the time to end this sin business on earth,and God will not give up on the world until they give up on Him.

God wants the Gospel to be preached in the world,and the Bible to be proclaimed in the world,but one day He is allowing them to go against it,and prevent it from being taught in the world as all nations come together to try to establish peace on earth by their own ways,a human,fleshy,no good thing dwells in the flesh,kind of endeavor,for it is the end.

God never allowed this in the past,but will allow it in the future,for He is not going to allow mankind to keep dwelling on earth sinning,but must wrap it up one day,and it is not too far away,because the world knows about each other,can communicate with each other,travel to each other,so it is close.

The 7 years period will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East,which will cause all Jews to go to Israel,for God said He is not leaving them in the nations anymore,which the man of sin wants them all in one area,but God means it for the good of Israel,and the Gentile nations come together and try to establish peace on earth.

The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,are available to the world,but the world failed at obtaining peace on earth,so they turn to the man of sin,New Age Christ,as the solution to have peace on earth,and when they follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,which has to do with technology,then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,and God will put them down.

Scriptures of the antichrist.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head(the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section), and of the other which came up(the antichrist), and before whom three fell(the 3 sections that cover the Arab nations,the religion of Islam that the beast takes down); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great(Greece): and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven(when Alexander the Great died his kingdom was split in to 4 sections and a general ruled each section).
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(the antichrist), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them(the fallen angels when Lucifer led the rebellion).
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression(when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East,Israel will rebuild their temple,and go back to animal sacrifices with no hassle from the Palestinians), and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered(the time God is allowing the devil to deceive the world).

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full(at the end of the first three and one half years when they do not turn to God when the ten horn kingdom fails at obtaining peace on earth,and the world clashed with Islam,and one third of the population died,and they turn to the man of sin so God gives them the man of sin to rule over them), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up(the antichrist).
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(gets his power for Satan for he controls the man of sin for the man of sin is the most rebellious and arrogant person that ever lived): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand(witchcraft,which the false prophet does miracles in the sight of people to convince them that the New Age Christ did harness the power of nature,and shared this power with the false prophet,and will share this power with all who follow him); and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many(the devil is trying to get the world together by a false peace agenda,League of Nations,United Nations,organizations promoting peace among the nations,with WW3,the world against Islam which will cause the beast kingdom to come about,and the New Age Christ to rule over them): he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand(of course,without a doubt,nothing wavering,antichrist does not have a chance,that Jesus will defeat him).
 
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Continued,

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Some people think that the 70th week has happened,but it has not,but it is in the future,and will start when the antichrist establishes peace in the Middle East with a 7 years covenant,and in the middle of the 7 years period steps in the the Jews temple,and tells them to stop animal sacrifices,and tells them he is their God and Messiah,and will spread his occult,witchcraft ways throughout the earth.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy(Israel as a nation has to accept Jesus as their Messiah).

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

The 7 years period is the time that God allows all people that does not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which will occur when the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which will happen when the Gentiles that do not love God take the mark of the beast,in which salvation is no longer available to them,and then for the last three and one half years God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,while the man of sin,and the world make war against all people that oppose their kingdom,and ways.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The ten horns are the physical dominion of the beast,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section that will rule for the first half of the 7 years period,but they failed at obtaining peace,and they hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world.

The 7 heads are the 7 kingdoms that ruled on earth that was influenced by the devil,for the Bible says the 8th king,the antichrist is of the 7 kingdoms,which are Egypt,Assyria,Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,Roman Empire,ten horn kingdom.

The deadly wound to one of his heads is the ten horn kingdom that failed at obtaining peace,and the most terrible war happened at that time,the religion of Islam against the world in which one third of the world died,and the Arab nations were plucked up by the roots,nuclear weapons,which the majority of those that died were in the Arab nations,and the world lost hope for there to be peace on earth.

But the beast restored that hope,and the deadly wound was healed,and convinced the world that he harnessed the power of nature,evolved to be greater,and the world said,who is like unto the beast,and who can make war with him,believing he has the power to be able to establish his kingdom,and no foe can stop him for he has power over nature that flesh cannot contend with that.

The antichrist spirit has been working in the world ever since Jesus resurrected to heaven,but will come as a physical entity,a human that Satan possesses,for this man is in to the occult,and believes that people can still evolve through the power of nature,and believes that Lucifer is the helper of this world that brought the principle of mind eons ago to the then animal man,and will help them in the future to evolve to be greater.

And the New Age Christ has been preparing to rule the world from a young age,and that is all he is interested in,and that is all he believes is reality,evolution,which the occult is part of that,and honoring the God of forces is part of that,and Jesus is only a good teacher in the process of evolution,and not Lord and Savior,and not the final teacher in the evolution process.

For the antichrist,little horn,man of sin,and New Age Christ,is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

But it has to be for God has to end this sin business on earth,so He has to allow the world to have their way for a certain amount of time,and has to allow them to go against the Gospel,and the Bible,on a world wide scale and prosper until He puts them down,and has to allow the wicked to be as wicked as they can be,and has to allow the devil to influence the wicked as much as he wants,so He can put them down,and continue on with His plan to have the saints dwell with Him.

For God is love and loves all people,and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him,and has only allowed people to go so far in wickedness,and only allowed the devil to deceive so much,for His truth must prevail on earth.

But one day that restraint will be gone and all hell will break loose.

As long as one nation allows the belief in a higher power there is hope for the world that they might turn to the God of Israel,and Jesus,and if they do not know the word of God,creation testifies there is a God,and He loves people,but the beast kingdom took away the hope of the world by not acknowedging a personal God,and the ten horn kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues.

So this is on a world wide scale all nations in agreement,so the hope of the world is gone.

So it is over and God will put them down.