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John146

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You are redundant in your question already spoken on by me earlier in this thread........we who enjoy the joy of aslvation in Jesus Christ will always be obedient out of love and gratitude. It is a love and a gratitude we did not possess until that moment...

Also, as mentioned in my earlier post, obedience is not somekind of gift to the Father, it is our due. Know the difference.
Are you always obedient? Really?
 

JaumeJ

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This is a question of someone who either does not understand obedience while livingunder grace or simply is not believing iJesus christ.

If the response is you do understand and you do believe jESUS, THEN YOU ALREADY know I do, just as did our brother, Pull.

Yes, I too am a wretched one as was he, but like he, I always obey my blessed Savior, and I know how and why. All who live in His grace know this, and do this.

God bless you that you are counted as suc, amen.


Are you always obedient? Really?
 

crossnote

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Perhaps the answer will not produce the desired result? This is simply another way to bring those freed in Christ back into bondage. For these the commandments are summed up in one. Keep the Sabbath. Restore ritualistic worship through Judaism. Incorporate Christ but do not let go of the old religion that could not save. Keep the old man while attempting to walk in newness of life.

Cast off the old dead man.

For the cause of Christ
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And never remind your hearers of the Gospel which is able to save and is foundational to all good fruit.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 NKJV
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, [2] by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. [3] For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, [4] and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
 

crossnote

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#44
The post does not stop at all. Read it again. They all hang on love, and they are all present in love. The OP is from the Word and does not leave out anything when it comes to loving and thanking our Savior.
Yes it does. The OP leaves out the Gospel which is the impetus of a loving and thankful heart without guile.
 
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JaumeJ

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I cannot fathom the Gospel not being in the OT and the NT because it is contained in the laws of love, and God is Love.


This is not splitting hairs or arguing words. In the Love that is God we fulfill the Law as taught by Jesus Christ. This is not really a profound understanding, but apparently many cannot grasp this.


Yes it does. The OP leaves out the Gospel which is the impetus of a loving and thankful heart without guile.
 
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#46
Why can it only be one way OR the other ? people do the same thing with 'law and grace'....they never dream of letting ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER....thus causing friction and division. It does not help to have RIGID UNwielding opinions. We are a 'New Creation in the making' NOT YET perfect !
Hi beta,would you agree with this statement:

The same GOD that spoke In the Old Testament Is the same GOD that spoke the New Testament and since the WORD of GOD does not change,we should keep In mind be obedient to the law and be under grace at the same time?

Before you amen this post by putting a like on It,I will tell you I don’t agree with that statement at all but I think It Is true for many.
 
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Ariel82

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You are redundant in your question already spoken on by me earlier in this thread........we who enjoy the joy of aslvation in Jesus Christ will always be obedient out of love and gratitude. It is a love and a gratitude we did not possess until that moment...

Also, as mentioned in my earlier post, obedience is not somekind of gift to the Father, it is our due. Know the difference.
You obviously don't understand the concept of good communication of you call it redundancy.

Leave it to you and continual misunderstanding than actual communication.
 
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Ariel82

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https://psychcentral.com/lib/benefits-of-effective-communication/

If anyone actually cares enough to read and pray about effective communication.

Listening. Effective listening requires concentration, tolerance and sensitivity. Concentration means focusing solely on what the speaker is saying. Tolerance involves keeping an open mind to what the other person is saying, rather than being judgmental or defensive. Sensitivity means taking on board the feelings being expressed as well as the words.
Under stress, you are less likely to listen well. It’s a good habit to ask your partner to repeat what he or she has said if you doubt that you fully understood. Being a good listener means you will be kept better informed.

Expressing yourself. First you need to listen to yourself to know what you want to get across. If you feel confused, spend a few quiet moments going over your thoughts. Then you’ll be ready to state your message clearly, honestly and constructively.
Avoid negative generalizations about the other person. In arguments, attempt to stay on the topic which is the real problem and avoid generalizing, point-scoring and venting your anger just to calm yourself down. Positive resolutions won’t come from attacking.
 
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Ariel82

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People talk about keeping the Law. Talk about loving others. How many people actually do it?

How many people actually love others enough to listen to what they are actually say? Instead of preconceived notions they want to fight against?

How many people are humble enough not to defend their pride?

How many people actually love others enough to learn to speak their langauge instead of demanding others to learn to speak on their terms?
 

gb9

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People talk about keeping the Law. Talk about loving others. How many people actually do it?

How many people actually love others enough to listen to what they are actually say? Instead of preconceived notions they want to fight against?

How many people are humble enough not to defend their pride?

How many people actually love others enough to learn to speak their langauge instead of demanding others to learn to speak on their terms?
if I could add one thing - how many ( especially us men ) enter into a discussion with the thought that " I could learn something from someone else, I do not know everything, and I could be wrong about some things"

how many?
 

JaumeJ

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In my own posts in this thread, I have related the two to deaf ears and it seems blind eyes......You cannot have the love of God and faith in Jesus christ if you do not obey God, it is an impossibility.

People talk about keeping the Law. Talk about loving others. How many people actually do it?

How many people actually love others enough to listen to what they are actually say? Instead of preconceived notions they want to fight against?

How many people are humble enough not to defend their pride?

How many people actually love others enough to learn to speak their langauge instead of demanding others to learn to speak on their terms?
 
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Ariel82

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Are yu going to make the subject about me? Shall I repost the OP?
You are being egotistical if you believe the questions are about you.

The question was asked If the keeping of the Law was because you have been saved or in order to be saved.

You ignore the fact that the question implies that the Law should be kept, and then pick a fight instead of simply answering the question in words the one asked it can clearly understand.

Do you call that love?

When I state what I think your answer is, you launch another attack and call it redundant.

Do you truly call that love?

Yes Jesus tells us to obey His commandments to love God and one another.

People talk about it, but how many people actually love it?

Do you show respect for those you love?
 

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if I could add one thing - how many ( especially us men ) enter into a discussion with the thought that " I could learn something from someone else, I do not know everything, and I could be wrong about some things"

how many?
Talking about learning, here is a hypothetical question for you all, the question is this, "how is it possible for the Jews to love Hitler?" Just an example.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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if I could add one thing - how many ( especially us men ) enter into a discussion with the thought that " I could learn something from someone else, I do not know everything, and I could be wrong about some things"

how many?
I have learned quite a few things on CC, i have changed my view on a few things, and have learned what i thought other churches believes has been false all along.

If we do not come with an open mind, willing to learn, in my view we do not belong here, we need to go elsewhere,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In my own posts in this thread, I have related the two to deaf ears and it seems blind eyes......You cannot have the love of God and faith in Jesus christ if you do not obey God, it is an impossibility.

See this is your problem, you always put self in the equation, then wonder why people question you, you have this worded wrong and in doing so, you have it wrong (as stated)

what you should be saying is you can not obey god if you do not have faith in Jesus Christ and learn to love as god has shared his love with you.

Obedience follows and is a result of faih and love, not as you state it, where it is the requirment for love and faith.

faith works, works do not faith.

Love serves and does not take, works do not love.
 

JaumeJ

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I believe the one pronouncing on me is judge, jury and executioner in his own eyes.

I mentioned to you be fore that i STARTE THE THREAD SO IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BE HERE FOR ANY POSTS.

i ALSO INFORMED YOU THAT IF YOU WISHED i WOULD BOW OUT. nOW TAKE YOUR SNIDE REMARKS AND PUT THEM WHERE PEOPLE NEED NOT ENDURE THEM.

Actually my sharing is due to people bringing up things already touched upon as though they are introducing somethng new. This is a post and a thread....if yu cannot follow it, perhaps you should have your own disjointed thread, ok? ok! Wath the name calling buster.




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OTE=Ariel82;3573198]You are being egotistical if you believe the questions are about you.

The question was asked If the keeping of the Law was because you have been saved or in order to be saved.

You ignore the fact that the question implies that the Law should be kept, and then pick a fight instead of simply answering the question in words the one asked it can clearly understand.

Do you call that love?

When I state what I think your answer is, you launch another attack and call it redundant.

Do you truly call that love?

Yes Jesus tells us to obey His commandments to love God and one another.

People talk about it, but how many people actually love it?

Do you show respect for those you love?[/QUOTE]
 

JaumeJ

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Have you ever been ortured by someone who also attempted to kill you? Over a long period of years? I know someone who has been and he forgives alla nd loves all.

Talking about learning, here is a hypothetical question for you all, the question is this, "how is it possible for the Jews to love Hitler?" Just an example.
 

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Have you ever been ortured by someone who also attempted to kill you? Over a long period of years? I know someone who has been and he forgives alla nd loves all.
You did not answer the question.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Talking about learning, here is a hypothetical question for you all, the question is this, "how is it possible for the Jews to love Hitler?" Just an example.
How was it possible for jesus to love the people nailing him to the cross?