Who has the right to be called a Jew?

[John146]

There's no such thing as a former Jew racially speaking because you can not undo a race that you are born in; spiritually speaking, there's only a Jew which means a believer and a gentile which means a non believer.

A Jew who has trusted in Jesus Christ and is not part of the body of Christ, the church...a former Jew.

 

[Deade]

The promise is made to Abraham and His Seed, meaning Jesus, not seeds.

I would rather people not try and make God a liar and place claims He never promised to His account.

God fulfilled His promises to the nation of Israel.he gave them blessings and curses. He sent them a Redeemer.

There is only one way anyone can be saved: faith in Jesus.
To teach anything else is wrong. (not saying you are,just reinforcing this biblical truth)

No, no, no, there are two different covenants one is spiritual the other is physical; and seed could mean many - ask any farmer.

The Samaritans were a mixed race, they were not fully Jewish, but they did have Jewish blood.#

Ariel is right about Ruth. She was a gentile "grafted in" by marriage (kinda like we are to Christ) to Boaz. Why would Boaz (in Jesus' lineage) marry a GENTILE bride?
Well, Boaz' mother was a GENTILE woman, Rahab the harlot! In fact, there are several GENTILES in Jesus genealogy.

Who has a right to be called a Jew?
Jesus tells in John 1:11 He came to His own,[c] and His own[d] did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them, He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

BUT, this situation for the Jews IS NOT PERMANENT!

Romans 11:25 New King James Version (NKJV)

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be IGNORANT of this mystery, lest you should be wise IN YOUR OWN OPINION, that blindness ​IN PART has happened to Israel ​UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

# Not at first - the Assyrians carried away Israelis and planted others (see 2 Kings 17:24).

Christians are not permitted to make up things on a whim. Since God has clearly spelled out the 12 twelve tribes in Revelation 7 we should respect that and take it as Divine revelation. And to ensure that we don't get confused, God shows us the twelve tribes as being distinct from the Church in the very same chapter.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel (Rev 7:4)

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands (Rev 7:9)

As you can see there is absolutely no reason to confuse one group with the other.

This is so very true, until the Lord is finished with us all we shouldn't speculate.

 

[Lewiz]

IMO since the Law has been done away with in Christ, Ashkenazi Jews or anyone else since the cross that was added to Israel can't be real Jews.

You can't go by a system that is no longer acceptable in God's eyes.

Sure, Israel still lives by the Law, but that doesn't make it acceptable to God.

 

[garee]

You misunderstand and misinterpret the scriptures. The144k Jews are not Jews by blood but by faith just like God has defined who aJew is in Rom 2. The 144k, as much as are referred metaphorically to be fromthe 12 tribes of Israel, they are actually from every nation and tribe as isindicated here:

Yes the whole book of Revelation is not only inspired but also signified, writtenas a parable using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding.

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV)The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gaveunto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; andhe sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

Revelation 7:9-10 King James Version (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, andpalms in their hands;And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our Godwhich sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

The above is a description(1444,000) of the chaste virgin bride the church in respect to the new name God named her in the book ofActs, Christian, a word with no other meaning that literally mean residents ofthat city prepared as his eternal bride.

She is signified as the mother of usall according to the metaphor of God as a loving suitor pursuing of Hischerished bride. Humanity would seem to have been seduced away by the deceiver trying to keep us His bride from the rightful arm of our husband Christ.

We must seek the spiritual understanding hid if we are to reconcile scripture with scripture as the one source of Christian faith (the unseen eternal) or faith to faith as the gospel of oursalvation.

Have a happy blessed Mother’s day…rest in Christ, our husband.

 

[Noose]

A Jew who has trusted in Jesus Christ and is not part of the body of Christ, the church...a former Jew.

A Jew who believes in Jesus is a real Jew just like a gentile who believes in Jesus is a real Jew; A Jew who doesn't believe in Jesus is a synagogue of satan or a fake Jew.

Rev 3:9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Revelation 2:9 I know your affliction and your poverty--though you are rich! And I am aware of the slander of those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan.

 

[mcubed]

Would Jesus consider those who claim to be Jewish today as truly Jewish? It is understood that the Samaritans were not Jewish because of their mixed lineage, hence the exchange between Jesus and the woman at the well.

Can those today who are labeled as Jewish claim a lineage any better then the Samaritans?

Yes. Yes. (had to repeat because the word "Yes" is to short to post.

 

[Yahshua]

In Romans 11 Paul confirms with a surety that Yah hasn't cast away his people completely (strongly saying, "God forbid"); that a blindness (and hardening) has happened to Israel for the benefit of those gentiles who are being saved (i.e. grafted in) right now.

Paul explains that Yah has a remnant that he will cause to return to Him later after the fullness of the gentiles has come in. And just like Yah told Elijah that he had 7000 who were on his side in the OT, so likewise we know that Yah has 144000 he will seal. Paul also says if Israel's casting away results in the riches of the gentiles and reconciling of the world, then receiving them back will result in nothing less than the resurrection of the dead. So it can't be referring to anyone else than blood Israel (by heritage), not spiritual Israel (those grafted in by faith).

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.....with that said, you ask, "would Jesus consider those who claim to be Jewish today as truly Jewish?" Well with the utmost respect to all Jewish people, by biblical and historical accounts I have to answer "no" unfortunately. Jewish people, especially those currently in the land, would be considered gentiles by Christ.

If we follow Christ's words in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 together, he explains that upon the destruction of Jerusalem the punishments/curses that were written in the OT will be fulfilled for rejecting him. Christ then gives a summary of events to happen before his return:

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[TD="align: center"]Luke 21[/TD]
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[TD]Great Tribulation; No flesh would be saved but for the elect's sake:[/TD]
[TD]Great Distress & Wrath against this people (Jews):[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]1. Fall by Sword[/TD]
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[TD]2. Led away as captives (i.e. slaves) into all nations[/TD]
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[TD]3. Jerusalem trodden by gentiles until time fulfilled[/TD]
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[TD]Sun darken, moon not give light; heavens shaken[/TD]
[TD]Signs in the heavens[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Signs on the earth[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Distress of nations[/TD]
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[TD]Sea and the waves roaring[/TD]
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[TD]Tribes of earth shall mourn[/TD]
[TD]Hearts faith people for fear[/TD]
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[TD]The sign of the Son of Man in heaven; gather his elect from the four winds[/TD]
[TD]The Son of Man coming on the clouds[/TD]
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If we compare Matthew 24:2 an Luke 21:6 we see that both passages record Christ speaking about the destruction of the temple ("not one stone left.."), so we know Christ is giving details about the same series of events. When we understand this we can compare the passages and see that The Great Tribulation (in Matthew 24) = The Wrath On The Jews for rejecting Christ (in Luke 21) = The punishments of the OT (in Deuteronomy 28).

Christ said some will die in the slaughter during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, but the rest will be taken as slaves into all nations, while the land is walked upon by gentiles until their time is finished. Then Christ will regather them when he returns, not before his return.

Next, we can look at the warnings of punishments given to Israel in the OT to learn more details about the order of events. Deuteronomy 30:1-3 says:


30 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations,

and when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,

then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.


So scripture says the order is as follows:

1. BOTH the blessings & curses will first fall on Israel

2. Next Israel must return their hearts to obedience to the covenant they made with Yah, while in their exile/captivity

3. THEN Yah will regather them from the nations they're scattered in and return them to their land.


Now we need to understand the curses listed in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 to see what they say...

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[TD]They, their land, their work, their children are all cursed[/TD]
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[TD]Multitude of diseases[/TD]
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[TD]Will lose every battle fought[/TD]
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[TD]Carcasses will be food for the birds & beasts; no one will shoo them away[/TD]
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[TD]Mental illness; madness[/TD]
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[TD]Fail at everything attempted[/TD]
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[TD]Oppressed & Robbed daily[/TD]
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[TD]Will be engaged to marry a woman but another man will take & rape her[/TD]
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[TD]Will build a house for another to live in[/TD]
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[TD]Will work crops that another will enjoy[/TD]
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[TD]Powerless to prevent sons & daughters from being given away; never to be seen again[/TD]
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[TD]A foreign people will eat from their land, while they're oppressed daily[/TD]
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[TD]Taken away to another nation their ancestors never known[/TD]
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[TD]Will be a people of horror; a byword; an object of ridicule everywhere[/TD]
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[TD]Foreigners living with them will excel, but they will become poorer; never the lender, always the borrower[/TD]
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[TD]All these curse will chase them, being a sign upon them & their descendants forever.[/TD]
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[TD]Will serve their enemies in hunger & thirst and dire poverty[/TD]
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[TD]Will wear iron yokes on their necks until destroyed[/TD]
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[TD]A nation will swoop down against them like an eagle, whose language they don't understand; fierce, who doesn't care about the young or old[/TD]
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[TD]Will eat their children during the siege of their city.[/TD]
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[TD]Will become a minority[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Will be scattered into all nations from one end of earth to the other[/TD]
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[TD]In those nations: anxious mind, restless heart, weariness, despair; constant suspense, never sure of one's life[/TD]
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[TD]Will return back to "EGYPT" (i.e. house of bondage) in ships[/TD]
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[TD]Will be sold as male and female slaves, with no one to redeem them.[/TD]
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So those labeled Jewish can't claim this lineage because:

- They've never been taken as slaves into all nations.
- They're currently in the land before Christ returns & regathers them.
- None of these curses currently chase them and their descendants as a sign & wonder forever (let Yah be true and every man a liar).

Only those who wore all of these curses as a sign (or a mark) upon them as a people are truly the Jews who rejected Christ in fulfillment of all that was written...and there is only one group of people in the entire history of the modern world who's worn all of these curses after 70AD.

 

[Kavik]

To the OP's original question -

I think it would depend on whether you are referring to someone who is an ethnic Jew, and/or one who is Jewish by religion.

There are a lot of Eastern European 'Jews' for example who are Jewish by religion only; Though they are Jewish by religion, practice all the customs, etc., they're not ethnic Jews. They trace their ultimate ancestry back to the Khazar people who were actually a Turkic people.

The whole Eastern European Jewry topic is hotly debated in some Jewish circles; many Western European Jews do not consider them to be truly Jewish.

 

[DJ2]

To the OP's original question -

I think it would depend on whether you are referring to someone who is an ethnic Jew, and/or one who is Jewish by religion.

There are a lot of Eastern European 'Jews' for example who are Jewish by religion only; Though they are Jewish by religion, practice all the customs, etc., they're not ethnic Jews. They trace their ultimate ancestry back to the Khazar people who were actually a Turkic people.

The whole Eastern European Jewry topic is hotly debated in some Jewish circles; many Western European Jews do not consider them to be truly Jewish.

Though they are Jewish by religion, practice all the customs, etc​

Could you give me an example of such people?

 

[Kavik]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/
https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

First link is a general info article. Second is a more or less "pro-Khazar" article, the last is an "anti-Khazar" article.

As I said, it's a rather hotly debated topic.

Essentially, the Khazars were the buffer zone between Christianity and Islam - as the story goes, the Khan did not wish to go to war, but wanted both the Christians and the Muslims to see that they (the Khazars) practiced a religion that was respected (more or less) by both parties. If he converted his people to Christianity, he'd be at war with the Caliphates; if he converted his people to Islam, he'd be at war with the Byzantine Christians - he chose to convert his people to Judaism; a religion that was recognized by both Christians and Muslims, thus avoiding wars.

Jews "east of the Elbe", as the saying goes, have historically been regarded with a bit of suspicion by Jews living "west of the Elbe", particularly the Sephardic Jews.

 

[DJ2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/
https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

First link is a general info article. Second is a more or less "pro-Khazar" article, the last is an "anti-Khazar" article.

As I said, it's a rather hotly debated topic.

Essentially, the Khazars were the buffer zone between Christianity and Islam - as the story goes, the Khan did not wish to go to war, but wanted both the Christians and the Muslims to see that they (the Khazars) practiced a religion that was respected (more or less) by both parties. If he converted his people to Christianity, he'd be at war with the Caliphates; if he converted his people to Islam, he'd be at war with the Byzantine Christians - he chose to convert his people to Judaism; a religion that was recognized by both Christians and Muslims, thus avoiding wars.

Jews "east of the Elbe", as the saying goes, have historically been regarded with a bit of suspicion by Jews living "west of the Elbe", particularly the Sephardic Jews.

Do you have an example of people today following the religion of the 1st century Jews that would make them acceptable as Jewish in the eyes of Jesus? Unlike the woman at the well who did not follow the religion of the Jews.

 

[Kavik]

I'm not sure there is any religion that currently practices in virtually the exact same way as was done a few thousand years ago - religions change, or perhaps a better way to put it is that how a religion is practiced can change over time. I have to wonder if one were to hop in a time machine and go back to a Christian worship service in, say, 80 A.D. if it would even be recognizable as such.

That said, there are of course some branches of religions that are historically extremely conservative - the Coptic Christian church is a good example. I'm pretty sure that if you were to attend a Coptic Christian worship service today and one from almost 2000 years ago, the differences would probably be minimal at best.

I don't know if Judaism is that ultra conservative - for some branches, it seems so (judging by the traditional dress you see them wear), but I don't know for certain.

 

[DJ2]

I'm not sure there is any religion that currently practices in virtually the exact same way as was done a few thousand years ago - religions change, or perhaps a better way to put it is that how a religion is practiced can change over time. I have to wonder if one were to hop in a time machine and go back to a Christian worship service in, say, 80 A.D. if it would even be recognizable as such.

That said, there are of course some branches of religions that are historically extremely conservative - the Coptic Christian church is a good example. I'm pretty sure that if you were to attend a Coptic Christian worship service today and one from almost 2000 years ago, the differences would probably be minimal at best.

I don't know if Judaism is that ultra conservative - for some branches, it seems so (judging by the traditional dress you see them wear), but I don't know for certain.

So is that a no?

 

[garee]

To the OP's original question -

I think it would depend on whether you are referring to someone who is an ethnic Jew, and/or one who is Jewish by religion.

There are a lot of Eastern European 'Jews' for example who are Jewish by religion only; Though they are Jewish by religion, practice all the customs, etc., they're not ethnic Jews. They trace their ultimate ancestry back to the Khazar people who were actually a Turkic people.

The whole Eastern European Jewry topic is hotly debated in some Jewish circles; many Western European Jews do not consider them to be truly Jewish.

Truly Jewish. Can any Jew trace their ancestry in a continuation of the gemology in Mathew 1 ending with Jesus? Or has the race filtered in to the Heinz 57 variety ad cannot be traced with certainty?

 

[Yahshua]

Truly Jewish. Can any Jew trace their ancestry in a continuation of the gemology in Mathew 1 ending with Jesus? Or has the race filtered in to the Heinz 57 variety ad cannot be traced with certainty?

There are historic records which still exist that can pick up the trail where genealogy ends. There are several ancient maps that can be used to trace the migration of pockets of Jews 1500+ years after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

One such map was created by Bolton (based on Jean Baptiste Bourguignon d'Anville), which was then used in a 'publication of the commercial dictionary titled The Universal Dictionary of Trade and Commerce in 1757', by Malachy PostleThwayt of London.


My Markup of the Map:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rQdei8fxfVc6bNTIE_PTlnqrCpCkyCHJ/view

Original Map:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_Bolton_1766.jpg (click image to enlarge)


The following areas have been highlighted on the map:

- (south of Egypt) "Shankala: Wandering Tribes; Falasjam Jews exiled"

- (westward of Shankala) "Lamlem: According to Edrifsi the land hereabout was peopled by Jews"

- (south of Lamlem) "Km. of Dahomey: Trudo Audati subdued the states of Ardra and Widah (Km. of Whydah = Ouidah [French] = Juda)"


There are a few more maps and sources like the one above that still exist. I've posted a lot more information in another thread related to this topic in another room (here).

 

[garee]

There are historic records which still exist that can pick up the trail where genealogy ends. There are several ancient maps that can be used to trace the migration of pockets of Jews 1500+ years after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

One such map was created by Bolton (based on Jean Baptiste Bourguignon d'Anville), which was then used in a 'publication of the commercial dictionary titled The Universal Dictionary of Trade and Commerce in 1757', by Malachy PostleThwayt of London.


My Markup of the Map:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rQdei8fxfVc6bNTIE_PTlnqrCpCkyCHJ/view

Original Map:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_Bolton_1766.jpg (click image to enlarge)


The following areas have been highlighted on the map:

- (south of Egypt) "Shankala: Wandering Tribes; Falasjam Jews exiled"

- (westward of Shankala) "Lamlem: According to Edrifsi the land hereabout was peopled by Jews"

- (south of Lamlem) "Km. of Dahomey: Trudo Audati subdued the states of Ardra and Widah (Km. of Whydah = Ouidah [French] = Juda)"


There are a few more maps and sources like the one above that still exist. I've posted a lot more information in another thread related to this topic in another room (here).

Thanks for your hard work. Do you know what's the next name after the Son of man Jesus in that genealogy and what effect would it have on Christianity?

 

[Yahshua]

Thanks for your hard work. Do you know what's the next name after the Son of man Jesus in that genealogy and what effect would it have on Christianity?

I don't know the next name(s) specifically (Revelation 2:17) but the generation to follow are those mentioned in Romans 8:19, the effect of which would probably end the religion to start the true way of life.

 

[beta]

Have not read all posts so don't know if this has been said...which in mho would answer the OP...
Rom 2v28,29.

 

[TMS]

Your concept of God makes a big difference. Did God choose the Jews to be an isolated people, to keep to themselves and to not share the blessings with anyone or any other nation? God didn't want them to become like the other nations but He did want others to worship Him and learn about His love through the Jews. If someone wanted to worship God like the Jews, could they become a Jew?
Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
If i do the will of the Father, God almighty, i become the brother of Jesus and that makes me Jewish.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; = Blood means nothing.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them (Jews) be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

If they do not believe in Jesus they are cast away. "because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. " We are grafted in by faith in Jesus, and that means i do not continue to practice the laws that were given to point to Jesus. A Jew that believes in Jesus does not sacrifice lambs for a sin offering because that makes Jesus's atonement worthless.

My faith in Jesus makes me a spiritual Jew. Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly.

 

[Yahshua]

Romans 11:5-36 {CAPS in brackets Mine just for emphasis}​

There is a remnant of natural Israel *elected* to return because of Yah's promise to their forefathers through His grace alone (these are the same elect spoken of in Matthew 24)

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant {OF NATURAL ISRAEL} according to the election of grace {GOD'S WILL}.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works {NATURAL ISRAEL'S ACTIONS}: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? {NATURAL} Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election {OF NATURAL ISRAEL} hath obtained it, and the rest {OF NATURAL ISRAEL} were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table {THEIR PROPERTY} be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their {NATURAL ISRAEL'S} eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Natural Israel's Husband was given to gentiles to make her jealous for rejecting Him.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them {NATURAL ISRAEL} to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles {NATIONS}; how much more their {FUTURE} fullness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL}, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh {NATURAL ISRAEL}, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them {NATURAL ISRAEL} be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them {NATURAL ISRAEL} be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches {NATURAL ISRAEL} be broken off, and thou {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL}, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them {NATURAL ISRAEL}, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Paul's warning against grafted branches who boast

18 Boast not against the branches {NATURAL ISRAEL}. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches {NATURAL ISRAEL} were broken off, that I {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL} might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches {NATURAL ISRAEL}, take heed lest he also spare not thee {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL}.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off {THUS NO OSAS BOASTING}.

23 And they also, if they {NATURAL ISRAEL} abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

The Ultimate Plan of The Father to save ALL Israel

24 For if thou {GENTILES} wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to {YOUR} nature into a good olive tree {ISRAEL COMMONWEALTH}: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches {NATURAL ISRAEL}, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL}, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part {TEMPORARY} is happened to {NATURAL} Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles {SPIRITUAL ISRAEL} be come in.

26 And so all Israel {JEW & GENTILE BELIEVERS} shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob {NATURAL ISRAEL}:

27 For this is my covenant unto them {NATURAL ISRAEL}, when I shall take away their {NATURAL ISRAEL'S} sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they {NATURAL ISRAEL} are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they {NATURAL ISRAEL} are beloved for the father's sakes {NATURAL ISRAEL IS THE FATHER'S ELECT}.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The Deep Wisdom of Father Yah in using both groups to extend mercy to all, all for His glory.

30 For as ye {GENTILES} in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their {NATURAL ISRAEL'S} unbelief:

31 Even so have these {NATURAL ISRAEL} also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all {JEW & GENTILE} in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.