Who has the right to be called a Jew?

[DJ2]

Would Jesus consider those who claim to be Jewish today as truly Jewish? It is understood that the Samaritans were not Jewish because of their mixed lineage, hence the exchange between Jesus and the woman at the well.

Can those today who are labeled as Jewish claim a lineage any better then the Samaritans?

 

[John146]

Would Jesus consider those who claim to be Jewish today as truly Jewish? It is understood that the Samaritans were not Jewish because of their mixed lineage, hence the exchange between Jesus and the woman at the well.

Can those today who are labeled as Jewish claim a lineage any better then the Samaritans?

I believe there has always been a remnant being preserved.

 

[Noose]

Rom 2:28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward andphysical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

A Jew is not by blood line but by faith in God. Take note.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Would Jesus consider those who claim to be Jewish today as truly Jewish? It is understood that the Samaritans were not Jewish because of their mixed lineage, hence the exchange between Jesus and the woman at the well.

Can those today who are labeled as Jewish claim a lineage any better then the Samaritans?

Yes there are many who can trace their ancestry back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Also those who were Jewish proselytes might be deemed to be Jews, so Ashkenazic Jews might also be included. What we know from Scripture is that God can still see the twelve tribes in existence, and will begin to deal directly with Israel (Jews) after the second coming of Christ.

BTW, saved Gentiles are not Jews, but metaphorical Jews, in that they have been grafted into the "good olive tree" of believing Israel. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but at the same time there will be a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth after the second coming of Christ, and the twelve tribes will be established on the Promised Land (which will become greater Israel).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Can those today who are labeled as Jewish claim a lineage any better then the Samaritans?

Without genealogy records going all of the way back no one can know if they've descended from converts. Those records don't exist.

 

[Noose]

Yes there are many who can trace their ancestry back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Also those who were Jewish proselytes might be deemed to be Jews, so Ashkenazic Jews might also be included. What we know from Scripture is that God can still see the twelve tribes in existence, and will begin to deal directly with Israel (Jews) after the second coming of Christ.

BTW, saved Gentiles are not Jews, but metaphorical Jews, in that they have been grafted into the "good olive tree" of believing Israel. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but at the same time there will be a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth after the second coming of Christ, and the twelve tribes will be established on the Promised Land (which will become greater Israel).

There's not going to be a revival for circumcised Jews at any given moment- the 144k are believers from all tribes and nations that are being referred to as 'real Jews' based on the definition of a Jew (Rom 2:28). These are the faithful believers who form the temple of God (New Jerusalem) here on earth and the souls of other slain believers and God will dwell in them even in the millennium and through them they'll judge the earth. This is what is meant by " thy kingdom come; they will be done on earth as it is in heaven.."

 

[Ariel82]

Ruth wasn't a Jew...yet is named in the lineage of Jesus.

 

[DJ2]

Ruth wasn't a Jew...yet is named in the lineage of Jesus.

The woman at the well was in the lineage of Jesus. But Jesus would not accept her as a Jew, why?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Without genealogy records going all of the way back no one can know if they've descended from converts. Those records don't exist.

While the records don't exist, there are many Jews with the surname of "Cohen", meaning that they trace their ancestry back to the tribe of Levi. There would be other examples also. In any event, God will do the sorting, not man.

 

[trofimus]

There is much evidence that most of today´s "Jews" are actually European tribes.

Palestinians are genetically closer to ancient Jews than most of "Jews" who came to Israel from various corners of the world in the last century.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?arti...21/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/

 

[Ariel82]

The woman at the well was in the lineage of Jesus. But Jesus would not accept her as a Jew, why?

Your logic is wrong...you count lineage by blood ties. God counts the faithful heart.

Also Jesus did accept the woman at the well. he just call her a Samaritian.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God knows, it does not matter if we do or not, he promised to keep a remnant, i think he keeps his promises.

 

[DJ2]

Your logic is wrong...you count lineage by blood ties. God counts the faithful heart.

Also Jesus did accept the woman at the well. he just call her a Samaritian.

You are not making sense. He called her a Samaritan because she was not Jewish. The Berean Jews were simply Jews who lived in Berea, nothing more.

Don't take my word for it. Search the scriptures for yourself!

Acts 17:13 Now when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was being proclaimed by Paul in Berea they came there to stirring up trouble and agitating the crowd against him.

Now are these Jews from Thessalonica counted as having a faithful heart?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

While the records don't exist, there are many Jews with the surname of "Cohen", meaning that they trace their ancestry back to the tribe of Levi. There would be other examples also. In any event, God will do the sorting, not man.

The priestly genealogies were destroyed by the Romans or earlier by insurgent groups so it is impossible to know. It wasn't uncommon for people to adopt names they liked or wanted to identify with.

 

[Noose]

God knows, it does not matter if we do or not, he promised to keep a remnant, i think he keeps his promises.

A remnant of Judah or Israel, means something different than what you think it means.

 

[tanakh]

To add to the confusion a Jew originally was someone from the tribe of Judah and lived in Judea hence the name. There were two Hebrew nations in Biblical times one is called Israel or Ephraim in the Bible and the other is Judah. Israel was conquered and dispersed by the Assyrians and Judah was exiled to Babylon and later destroyed by the Romans. Since the first coming of Christ being Jewish is not an ethical matter but a spiritual one. Israel is not a Nation but a person. Christ is Israel and anyone who is in him is also part of Israel regardless of their ethnic origin.

Then say to Pharaoh this is what the Lord says Israel is my firstborn Son and I told you
let my Son go so that he may worship me but you refused to let him go so I will kill your
firstborn Son.

Exodus 4:21

When Israel was a child I loved him and out of Egypt I called my Son

Hosea 11:1

..And so was fulfilled what the Lord said through the Prophet
Out of Egypt I have called my Son

Matthew 2:15

 

[wolfwint]

Rom 2:28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward andphysical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

A Jew is not by blood line but by faith in God. Take note.

Then you should Read the OT. God is still fulfilling his promisses to the descendantes of Jacob. A Jew is who descendantes from the 13 tribes(Joseph hat 2 tribes)

 

[Noose]

Then you should Read the OT. God is still fulfilling his promisses to the descendantes of Jacob. A Jew is who descendantes from the 13 tribes(Joseph hat 2 tribes)

It is clear that you read and didn't understand. Even in the OT, the nation Israel was not a physical nation but a spiritual one.

Rom 9:6It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 8In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[SUP]c[/SUP]10Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand:12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[SUP]d[/SUP] 13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[SUP]e[/SUP]

 

[John146]

It is clear that you read and didn't understand. Even in the OT, the nation Israel was not a physical nation but a spiritual one.

Rom 9:6It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[SUP]b[/SUP]8In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[SUP]c[/SUP]10Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand:12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[SUP]d[/SUP] 13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[SUP]e[/SUP]

It absolutely was physical according to the flesh. What Romans 9 is pointing out is the specific seed line of Christ.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Though Ishmael came from Abraham, he was not counted as a son, but Isaac was the son of promise. The Fathers of the nation of Israel are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's the line of a true Jew.

 

[Deade]

Only the descendants of the one tribe of Judah are considered Jews. The rest of the tribes go by their own names. They were carried by the Assyrians into middle Europe as slaves where they lost their identity. Israel assigned his name to the sons of Joseph (see Gen. 48:15, 16). God knows where they all are.