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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    Do you know what is God's grace?

    It does not say that.
    That's what I'm saying!



    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    Please do not lump hyper grace and free grace they are not the same.
    They are the same. The people I've debated use the terms interchangeably. Freegrace people will tell you what is 'hyper' about God's grace.

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    The point is whether we are forgiven or not, if we find ourselves continually committing the same sins over and over we must examine why. The instructions on how to handle this is in the word which we must apply in faith.

    Php. 2:12
    "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

    God doesn't give us on us, but if we find ourselves sinning habitually we need to call on Him for help. If Christ was the one that started the work in us, we need to hold Him to His promise to finish that work.

    Heb. 12:2
    "looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."




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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    Please do not lump hyper grace and free grace they are not the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    That's true, but they are both post-modern grace doctrines that have core similarities.
    I was referring to the Zane Hodges kind of free grace. I don't know what flavor you follow.
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    I follow the grace that is taught in the bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    I was referring to the Zane Hodges kind of free grace. I don't know what flavor you follow.
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    I do not excuse sin by saying to myself when I'm tempted to sin, "I can do this because of God's grace."

    Do you?


    Hypergrace/Freegrace doctrine says you can.

    No they do not, please stop with your lies ralph, hw can you sit here and claim you follow God, and preach to ther people to stop sin when almost every word out of your mouth when accusing someone you disagre with is a lie?

    No ne goes around saying they can sin, because i am given grace anyway, there is one person who is no longer here (grace777) he denied this, in fact he taught against it, the other three or 4 who claim to follow this so calld hypergrace teaching also deny it, and preqch against it, so you are lying 5epugh your teach because you have been indoctrinated to a fact these people believe something which is not true, and your to proud to repent.

    You ecxcuse your sin just as much as they do. Maybe even more, as all legalist do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    I posted a quote describing Hypergrace/Freegrace theology. Did you miss it?

    That makes about three times I've posted here at CC.


    And like I said, debates I've had with others who subscribe to that theology have said the very same things that are in what I posted, so I know the article is not unfairly slanted or inaccurate. Besides, it quotes Charles Stanley directly. You do know who Charles Stanley is, don't you?

    You posted a word yu said some guy said, which is not even hypergrace. Your not being honest ralph, how can you live with yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    If someone really wants to know, it's easily researched. What's tiresome is providing asked-for evidence to some who put their hands over their ears and say "LA LA LA LA..." so that they don't hear it, and then pretend later to have never received what they asked for.

    All the so called research yourself ISIT, PeterJens, and the few others have posted were taken from antihypergrace websites, and have been utterly destroyed as false teuths so many tims by so many people in here, thats what undergrace is sick of, the slander against a group of brothers and aisters which is based on half truths or false truths,

    when are you going to humble yourself and get your understanding from actual people who follow the doctrines and not their enemies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    All the so called research yourself ISIT, PeterJens, and the few others have posted were taken from antihypergrace websites, and have been utterly destroyed as false teuths so many tims by so many people in here, thats what undergrace is sick of, the slander against a group of brothers and aisters which is based on half truths or false truths,

    when are you going to humble yourself and get your understanding from actual people who follow the doctrines and not their enemies?
    I miss PeterJens even though he rubbed a few the wrong way at times. Interesting fellow. I miss Grace777 too. Those two peeps added a little zest to the mix.
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    Grace is free, to the receiver (unmerited)

    grace is over abundant, so much so it will never run out (hyper)

    grace came at a great cost (the cross)

    shame on people who take grace and distort it to something it is not by trying to add works.
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tourist View Post
    I miss PeterJens even though he rubbed a few the wrong way at times. Interesting fellow. I miss Grace777 too. Those two peeps added a little zest to the mix.

    I do not know what happened to grace777,he probably let them people get to him, a few got banned because they would react to the evil that was thrown their way. On purpose from what i heard, in order to try to get people banned.

    As for peter jens, he was one of them, i could not take his slanderous ways and his bullying people and getting angry when people would try to hold him accountable (other than this, i agree, he could have added alot) his anger finally got him also.

    If people would just be honest, how much greater this place could be,
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tourist View Post
    I miss PeterJens even though he rubbed a few the wrong way at times. Interesting fellow. I miss Grace777 too. Those two peeps added a little zest to the mix.
    I miss PJ as well.

    He and I talk occasionally.

    If I'm honest I did generally understand where we was coming from.

    Talking with him off topic and on this forum I genuinely believe he has a real love to see people healed of pain and hurt of the past to see then set free to walk as Jesus want us to walk.

    I got from him that you can't fully walk the present if God has not healed the past.

    I would say that he was not a sinless walk guy at all.

    I miss G777 as well and a few others.

    Those willing to discuss.

    Yet I know that I can and have fallen foul of the things they did.

    To be honest I'm surprised on a couple off occasion that I have not been banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I miss PJ as well.

    He and I talk occasionally.

    If I'm honest I did generally understand where we was coming from.

    Talking with him off topic and on this forum I genuinely believe he has a real love to see people healed of pain and hurt of the past to see then set free to walk as Jesus want us to walk.

    I got from him that you can't fully walk the present if God has not healed the past.

    I would say that he was not a sinless walk guy at all.

    I miss G777 as well and a few others.

    Those willing to discuss.

    Yet I know that I can and have fallen foul of the things they did.

    To be honest I'm surprised on a couple off occasion that I have not been banned.
    I feel the same way that it's by the grace of God that we remain members of the CC community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I miss PJ as well.

    He and I talk occasionally.

    If I'm honest I did generally understand where we was coming from.

    Talking with him off topic and on this forum I genuinely believe he has a real love to see people healed of pain and hurt of the past to see then set free to walk as Jesus want us to walk.

    I got from him that you can't fully walk the present if God has not healed the past.

    I would say that he was not a sinless walk guy at all.

    I miss G777 as well and a few others.

    Those willing to discuss.

    Yet I know that I can and have fallen foul of the things they did.

    To be honest I'm surprised on a couple off occasion that I have not been banned.
    peter reminded me of my father and myself before i was freed, i think thats why he scared me so much, like him i was never open, and would always blame shift if i was caght in something, i would never take tesponsibility for anything, i think it grew out of the heart of legalism which had me in chains, i couod not admit i was wrong, i would have to admit i was guilty and would suffer gods wrath.

    at the same time, he did have alot of good to offer, then some stuff i will be honest, i could not figure out what he was trying to say lol

    i think we all have done banable stuff, i also agree there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    He said the believer CAN do that and they will still be saved. But he said they should not.

    John on the other hand says don't be deceived, the person who does that is not born again and belongs to the devil:


    "make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."-1 John 3:7-10


    So we can plainly see that you can NOT live any way you choose, if you decided to do that, and still be saved. Because to do that is to show that you do not belong to Christ in salvation.

    For us saved people, as long as the word of the gospel continues in us and doesn't get uprooted from our hearts in unbelief we will not be practicing sin but will be growing up into our new lives in Christ.



    So let's review so this doesn't escape anybody:

    the one who practices sin is of the devil

    No one who is born of God practices sin

    anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God

    nor the one who does not love his brother


    "Make sure no one deceives you", people! Read the plain words of the Bible.
    Your deceptive, out of context drivel has gotten as old as your friends who are no longer with us....and have you yet proven your stance against budman........nope....but you have proven that you like to embellish what people say and twist it into something that is not said while failing to answer any question that proves your dogm is false......

    Try this one....

    Concerning a believer and sin

    What is the practical application of chastisment in a believer.?

    Is it for faithful service?
    Is it because of willful sin?

    At what point in the process did they lose salvation if GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Can either of you two prove it? Or are we gonna do like your buddies who are no longer here did, and make accusation without fact?
    I am surprised....does not Catholic dogma allow for indulgences.....and they even have a $$ in them.....!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    You just provd my point, if do, then so do you (do you ever read what your responding to?



    You also just prove how tricky and sly you are by not completed the quote of my words, whcih said the very thing you insinuatd, as if i did. T believe that myself.
    And you know he does that on a regular basis......states a multitude about his religion, character, nature and who really leads him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    I've heard this repeated time and again. While we won't lose salvation when we sin, God will, however, break fellowship with us until we "repent" and stop sinning.

    My question is this: How many times a day does God cease fellowship with us? Since we sin many times a day (if you're honest, you know this is true) does that mean we have fellowship, lose it, have it back, lose it again, get it back, all day long etc., ad nauseam?

    And please don't bring up the old "pattern" of sin thing. As we indeed sin every day, day after day, week after week, etc. we all have such a pattern.

    Do any believe we lose fellowship with God when we sin?

    If so, why?

    This is the issues with the human mind and why we so much need to renew it. Once a person is saved the have been forgiven of all sins. The New life now they live is to be in Christ. Yet the Flesh is not saved. The flesh will desire what the flesh desires, it is always at war with the Spirit and the Will of God.



    This is the issues with the human mind and why we so much need to renew it. Rom 12:12, Eph 4:23.
    Once a person is saved they have been forgiven of all sins. The New life now they live; is to be in Christ Rom 3:24. Yet the Flesh is not saved 7:18. The flesh will desire what the flesh desires; it is always at war with the Spirit and the Will of God
    Gal 5:17.

    Nevertheless, God has given grace and great patience and us. We are in the sanctification process, being made continually into His image. 1thess 5:23, Heb 2:11 God is able to separate the transgression because of the blood that has been applied to us for our sin.

    Now we are to Grow in the or That “Grace” which we have received and the knowledge or the understanding of Christ to where we are no longer thinking and acting according to the flesh, as the Holy Spirit helps us to live holy. In that process you very well may sin, but we are told to renew our mind, to not want to desire the thing of the flesh which lead to = sin. This is were we are to resist the flesh, temptation, and the devil.

    Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Are you really fighting not to sin?

    WE know what we are doing is sin, because you know you are not to do whatever the Holy Spirit has corrected you on.

    Gal 5:16-25 the contrast of the Spirit and the flesh you know, if you do not know then your relationship with Christ has to be questioned BY YOU.

    2cor 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

    “to him( the saved person) that knows( come to the saving knowledge)
    James 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    peter reminded me of my father and myself before i was freed, i think thats why he scared me so much, like him i was never open, and would always blame shift if i was caght in something, i would never take tesponsibility for anything, i think it grew out of the heart of legalism which had me in chains, i couod not admit i was wrong, i would have to admit i was guilty and would suffer gods wrath.

    at the same time, he did have alot of good to offer, then some stuff i will be honest, i could not figure out what he was trying to say lol

    i think we all have done banable stuff, i also agree there
    I think the main issue with PJ was what he considered hypergrace was and thought many here were promoting it.
    Off topic he accused me of that.

    He asked me a couple of times as to how he could build a ministry in his church where men could meet together.
    To be honest, open up and build each other up to walk and be like Jesus.
    He accepted that hurts and indoctrination of the past affect where we are now.

    I like you agree that he had a good lot to offer and at times I liked his posts.
    But also at times "Oh PJ if only you stopped before that last sentence"

    I may get slammed for this but I do consider him a brother in Jesus.

    He like many of us when we are slammed by others get defensive and put barriers up and respond accordingly.

    I think culture adds to it.

    Us Brits are weird, we apologize to those changes that have offended us.

    Also when people come from a hurting place any perceived negative words are negative so we take it personally even if it's not.

    I will mention my friend Dcon here.

    I have never heard him say that he destests the person but their doctrine.
    I have says to him the past that I don't agree with the way he says it at times, and maybe he should think about the way he says things to the people he is responding to, get the know the person.

    In fact I've fallen foul of him, and given back.

    Now I know Mr DC has thought about it, not because of what I said.
    In fact he apologized way back for calling people cake takers, felt God say that's not right.

    So to some his purpose is to bring down, when in fact it's not.
    He does not hate the person but the doctrine and just wants to see people set free.

    I have been accused of the opposite.
    Being namby pampy.

    Both ways work, its just getting to know the person you are taking to and his they will respond.

    I will walk with DC all the way, I'd even tell him "Woa you could have said it differently, and accept him saying stop being a namby Pandy"

    We are all here to build each other up.
    Before we do let's get to know the person first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I think the main issue with PJ was what he considered hypergrace was and thought many here were promoting it.
    Off topic he accused me of that.

    He asked me a couple of times as to how he could build a ministry in his church where men could meet together.
    To be honest, open up and build each other up to walk and be like Jesus.
    He accepted that hurts and indoctrination of the past affect where we are now.

    I like you agree that he had a good lot to offer and at times I liked his posts.
    But also at times "Oh PJ if only you stopped before that last sentence"

    I may get slammed for this but I do consider him a brother in Jesus.

    He like many of us when we are slammed by others get defensive and put barriers up and respond accordingly.

    I think culture adds to it.

    Us Brits are weird, we apologize to those changes that have offended us.

    Also when people come from a hurting place any perceived negative words are negative so we take it personally even if it's not.

    I will mention my friend Dcon here.

    I have never heard him say that he destests the person but their doctrine.
    I have says to him the past that I don't agree with the way he says it at times, and maybe he should think about the way he says things to the people he is responding to, get the know the person.

    In fact I've fallen foul of him, and given back.

    Now I know Mr DC has thought about it, not because of what I said.
    In fact he apologized way back for calling people cake takers, felt God say that's not right.

    So to some his purpose is to bring down, when in fact it's not.
    He does not hate the person but the doctrine and just wants to see people set free.

    I have been accused of the opposite.
    Being namby pampy.

    Both ways work, its just getting to know the person you are taking to and his they will respond.

    I will walk with DC all the way, I'd even tell him "Woa you could have said it differently, and accept him saying stop being a namby Pandy"

    We are all here to build each other up.
    Before we do let's get to know the person first.

    PJ and me started on the wrong foot, he made a post telling all the things that grace believers believed that were wrong, i point by point showed him three or more points he had misunderstood, that no one who believed in grace theology and eternal security would believe thise things, instead of trying to discuss this to try to xplain his understanding, he went off on me, attacked me and tried his blame shifting nonsense he would tend to do when people tried to show him things,

    it did not get any better, if anything it got worse. Then a group of people started going off on this so called hypergrace gospel (which i never heard of) and he joined in, he started as you said placing all of us under this so called theology. It got to the point anything i said was evil, because i refused to allow him or anyone else to slander other people.

    I agree with DC, i hate no people, but their doctrine, that i dispise,

    again, i had a heart for PJ because he reminded me so much of myself, and i wanted him to find the freedom i found, i pray still he finds it. He teied to come back under another nick but was finally found out and had to leave again. Will always pray for them, i feel everyone has hope, saul the pharisee proved that.
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    God doesn't sever fellowship with us. We sever fellowship with Him.

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