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    Yes if you mean fruits of the spirit.

    We have all the resources given to us at our new birth.

    This is the way that I view growth in the spirit or fruits of the spirit.

    "Sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness. The process doesn’t sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life."
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    Yes indeed although it's possible to "grow in spirit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by reneweddaybyday View Post
    The way I see it is as follows:

    Let's say a guy was a thief before coming to Christ (being born again).

    So the born again one is window shopping one day and sees a really nice, expensive watch in a window and he really, really likes that watch.

    If the born again one is walking according to the "old man" (which we are instructed to "put off" in Eph 4:22 and Col 3:9), he would see the watch and think about the good ole days when he would just take a five finger discount and steal the watch. The guy would battle with his flesh and may or may not overcome his fleshly urges. But, let's just say he does overcome and he moves along without stealing the watch. But for a moment or two there was a battle going on - that conflict mentioned in Gal 517. Also, he feels pretty good about himself and having overcome the temptation.

    Now let's say the same guy is walking according to the "new man" (which we are instructed to "put on" in Eph 4:24 and Col 3:10) and sees the watch in the window. The thought of the five finger discount doesn't even enter his mind because he's not walking according to his flesh. It is not in the nature of the new man to steal anything so there would be no battle with his flesh. He can see the watch in the window and admire it. No inward struggle ... just the wonderful blessedness of living life in light of who he is in Christ Jesus.


    And this is just an example and might possibly be poorly written so please understand it as just an example. Thank you.
    Or let's say there were two thiefs on crosses next to Jesus and one mocked him and one believed in him and merely desired to be with him in his kingdom,and Jesus did not regard the mocker but told the believer that he would be with him in paradise...
    hmmm this sounds so familiar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFTW View Post
    I provided three reasons why believers still sin, in my previous post. I mentioned ignorance to the truth, habit, and a lack of renewal of the mind. These are only three, there are more. The presence of sin in the life of a believer doesn't negate the truth of victory over sin, provided in God's word through Christ (bringing about our new-birth). We cannot make human experience the standard of truth, for then faith is set aside.

    That we are told not to sin, to walk righteously because you are dead to sin, means that our nature could not possibly be unrighteous after having been born-again. For as a duck quacks, so does an unrighteous nature sin. Yet, we have received a new nature. We have been given newness of life.

    The point here is that HeRoseFromTheDead made a statement that believers, children of God, have a nature and it is unrighteousness (though they do not live in sin, he said). He didn't mention any duality, or both natures in this original post. He stated that we have an unrighteous nature. This is contrary to the call of holiness and righteousness.

    Time is short, I am being pulled away from the PC to spend time with family, so I will be back to discuss this further.


    Ok.

    So are you going to concede that we have two natures?



    Or... do I have to tell everyone how people with beards don't actually get into the nicer parts of heaven because they look too scruffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    As for the OP's question (Does God sever fellowship with us when we sin?), I think it depends on the type of sin involved, circumstances and recurrence. Committing adultery, for example, is very different from telling a white lie. Adulterers will not enter heaven, i.e., they are cut off from the fellowship with God.

    How often do you look at a woman with sexual desire?

    "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    I didn't say it's OK and I didn't say TO TELL A LIE -- I said TO TELL A WHITE LIE is different from committing adultery.
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    God never abandons those who believe Him and trust in the Atonement He secured for their Eternal salvation.. No matter how poorly they are performing in their attempts at sin avoidance..
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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    Or let's say there were two thiefs on crosses next to Jesus and one mocked him and one believed in him and merely desired to be with him in his kingdom,and Jesus did not regard the mocker but told the believer that he would be with him in paradise...
    hmmm this sounds so familiar...
    I don't believe this is the same thing as what I tried to convey, joefizz.


    The malefactor on the cross was not born again. I believe he came to faith right there on the cross as he witnessed the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


    In the examples I gave, I set forth the person who is born again and in not putting off the old man, he struggles to overcome temptation.

    However, if that same person has put on the new man, there is no struggle. The thought of stealing something does not even enter his mind because stealing is not anything the new man would do. The new man is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


    I hope/pray I am communicating this concept properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I have to be honest the above confuses me.

    Not because you have said it but the whole concept of what nature does a believer have.

    Romans 7 13: on totally does my head in.

    I just cannot grasp it.

    Many patient people on here have tried to explain it to me.
    I seem to grasp it then it seems to slip out of my hands.

    Not sure I will ever get it.

    The key for me is reading what Paul says in Romans chapters 3 through 8. The picture becomes clearer then.

    Romans 3 shows the need for God's righteousness and how God has set up Jesus as the solution to man's problem.

    Romans 4 continues shows how historically, God, in His grace, provided a way through faith for reconciliation - God provided what was needed at the right time. Paul also begins to show that it's not just forgiveness and justification that we need - but LIFE!


    23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.



    Romans 5 - probably one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible, details depths of encouragement and just what happens when someone chooses to put their faith in Christ. We receive the forgiveness made possible by the Cross, the righteousness of God as a gift in Christ, and New Life made possible by the Resurrection \o/!

    Romans 6 further details just what happens to us when we come into Christ - we actually die to sin, being baptized into the death of Christ (see also Galatians 2:19-21), and are raised again in Him so we can walk in the newness of life! Paul goes on to say that we should reckon/consider/count ourselves dead to sin, and not let it reign in our mortal bodies. Then this - and this is huge - Paul exhorts thus:

    Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.


    Like so many things, our bodies can be instruments of wickedness or instruments of righteousness. A hammer can be used to bludgeon someone or to build a home. We have the choice - but in Christ, sin shall no longer be our master, because - and here's the counter-intuitive part - because we are no longer under the law, but under grace! What?! But the law tells us what to do, yes? Maybe, but Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness (see Titus 2:11-14) - a completely different paradigm! And then we come to Romans 7 . . .


    Romans 7 - the beginning of the chapter clarifies the relationship of the believer to the Law - we are dead to the Law, having died to it (remember we were baptized into the death of Christ) so that we could belong to another - He who was raised from the dead - in order that we might bear fruit unto God. Ugh - Paul says it so much better:

    4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.


    And then there is vs. 13, and the characterization of sin in verses following - some commentators frame sin as an entity, some as an influence, something that takes occasion of the law to stir up lusts - though we are righteous in Christ, and want to do good, evil is "right there with me" (vs. 21).

    Paul articulates in vs. 15-23 the struggle we all experience as we learn to say no to ungodliness (taught by grace and the renewing of our minds). Some think he is speaking of his life before he believed in Christ, some think he's speaking of his life after believing in Christ. Perhaps it's a both/and and not an either/or thing. Paul culminates in the exasperation most of us have felt/feel when we struggle with sin, and reminds himself and us:

    24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.



    Not because you have said it but the whole concept of what nature does a believer have.


    Some translations put 'sinful nature' in the place of 'flesh' in vs. 25, which is the source of MUCH confusion as to whether we as believers have a 'righteous nature' and a 'sinful nature'. The NIV has changed the 'sinful nature' back to 'flesh', which is what the Greek there, sarx, means.

    Romans 8 is a symphony of encouragement, exhortation, affirmation, and assurances - building the believer up in who they are in Christ and exhorting them to go and live as who they are in Christ!

    I love Paul's letter to the Romans - it gives such a wonderful picture of the Gospel:

    >>> Our need <<< for the Gospel
    >>> The supply <<< of the Gospel
    >>> The results <<< of the Gospel


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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    Yeah I was merely referring to the paradox of using the phrase "leaving God" because as it is told in the bible once you are his nothing can pluck you from his "hand".
    What is the paradox of leaving God if one believes the verse, "And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life." (See Job 2:6)


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    here are some verse "Ot" and "NT" that shows the answer to the OP is yes, and remember kids, the Most High does not change...

    Psalm 66:18, "If I have seen wickedness in my heart, יהוה would not hear."


    John/Yahanan 17:9, "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours."


    1 Peter/Kepha 3:12, "For the eyes of YHWH are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of YHWH is against those who do evil."


    Psalm 34:12-16, “Who is the man who desires life, Who loves many days, in order to see good? Keep your tongue from evil, And your lips from speaking deceit. Turn away from evil and do righteousness; Seek peace, and pursue it. The eyes of יהוה are on the righteous, And His ears unto their cry. The face of יהוה is against evil-doers, To cut off their remembrance from the earth.”


    Proverbs 15:29, "YHWH is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."


    Micah 3:4, "Therefore, when they cry to יהוה He does not answer them, and hides His face from them at that time, as they have made their deeds evil."


    Isaiah 1:15, “And when you spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.”


    Proverbs 1:28-29, "“Let them then call on me, but I answer not; Let them seek me, but not find me. Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of יהוה,"


    Isaiah 57:17, "“For the crookedness of his unfair gain I was wroth and I struck him. I hid Myself and was wroth, and he went on backsliding in the way of his heart."


    Proverbs 28:9, “He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.”


    Job 27:8-9, "For what is the expectancy of the defiled one, when He does cut off, when Yah takes away his life? Would Yah hear his cry when distress comes upon him?"


    Zechariah 7:13, "“And it came to be: as He called and they did not hear, so let them call, but I shall not hear,” said יהוה of hosts."


    Isaiah 58:9, “Then, when you call, יהוה would answer; when you cry, He would say, ‘Here I am.’ “If you take away the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger, and the speaking of unrighteousness.”


    Proverbs 21:13, "Whoever shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, Let him also cry and not be heard."


    Psalm 66:18, "If I have seen wickedness in my heart, יהוה would not hear."


    Psalm 34:15-16, "The eyes of יהוה are on the righteous, And His ears unto their cry. The face of יהוה is against evil-doers, To cut off their remembrance from the earth."


    James 4:1-3, “Where do fightings and strivings come from among you? Do they not come from your pleasures that battle in your members? You desire, and do not have. You murder, and are jealous, and are unable to obtain. You strive and fight, and you do not possess, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask evilly, in order to spend it on your pleasures.”


    Isayah 59:1-3, “Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."
    Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


    John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


    John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    Yes indeed although it's possible to "grow in spirit".
    I believe we mature in Christ and we grow up in Him.

    We start out as newborn babes and we grow as we feed on the milk of the Word (As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby - 1 Peter 2:2).

    If we remain children, we can be tossed to and fro, carried about with every wind of doctrine:

    Ephesians 4:14-15 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

    Then we come to full age and feed on the meat of the Word - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Heb 5:14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamah View Post
    Proverbs 28:9, “He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.”
    Like the verse in Deuteronomy

    Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. 4:39


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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFTW View Post
    That was unnecessary HeRoseFromTheDead.

    Let me ask you, how can believers be unrighteous by nature and yet "they do not live in sin?" If it is your nature, its how you would act. A liar is someone who lies. It is their nature. If sin is our nature, then we would sin and only sin. Who has God called you to be? Who has He made you to be, in Christ?

    Knowing that we should reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God, that sin shall not have dominion over us not being under the law but grace, what excuse can we make for sin? How are we who are dead to sin, live therein (as the apostle Paul says)? To say that our nature is unrighteous gives us an excuse, we might as well say, "God made me do it." Yet, we are called to walk in holiness and righteousness. We have been born-again, made new creations. No longer slaves to sin, but of righteousness. Using our members for righteousness unto God.

    The doctrine you're espousing gives people an excuse. What I am proposing is that we awake to righteousness and sin not (though if we do sin, we have an Advocate with the Father). For you to define the believer as having the nature of unrighteousness, you leave them in bondage to sin and its dominion.
    Very well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamah View Post
    here are some verse "Ot" and "NT" that shows the answer to the OP is yes, and remember kids, the Most High does not change...
    And then we have Luke 15:

    1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

    2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

    3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

    4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

    6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?

    9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.

    10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.


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    If we sin, and go right to Christ, we keep to the plow and don't look back. Are we forgetting Jesus paid the debt for our sins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGIG View Post
    The key for me is reading what Paul says in Romans chapters 3 through 8. The picture becomes clearer then.

    Romans 3 shows the need for God's righteousness and how God has set up Jesus as the solution to man's problem.

    Romans 4 continues shows how historically, God, in His grace, provided a way through faith for reconciliation - God provided what was needed at the right time. Paul also begins to show that it's not just forgiveness and justification that we need - but LIFE!


    23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.



    Romans 5 - probably one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible, details depths of encouragement and just what happens when someone chooses to put their faith in Christ. We receive the forgiveness made possible by the Cross, the righteousness of God as a gift in Christ, and New Life made possible by the Resurrection \o/!

    Romans 6 further details just what happens to us when we come into Christ - we actually die to sin, being baptized into the death of Christ (see also Galatians 2:19-21), and are raised again in Him so we can walk in the newness of life! Paul goes on to say that we should reckon/consider/count ourselves dead to sin, and not let it reign in our mortal bodies. Then this - and this is huge - Paul exhorts thus:
    Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.


    Like so many things, our bodies can be instruments of wickedness or instruments of righteousness. A hammer can be used to bludgeon someone or to build a home. We have the choice - but in Christ, sin shall no longer be our master, because - and here's the counter-intuitive part - because we are no longer under the law, but under grace! What?! But the law tells us what to do, yes? Maybe, but Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness (see Titus 2:11-14) - a completely different paradigm! And then we come to Romans 7 . . .


    Romans 7 - the beginning of the chapter clarifies the relationship of the believer to the Law - we are dead to the Law, having died to it (remember we were baptized into the death of Christ) so that we could belong to another - He who was raised from the dead - in order that we might bear fruit unto God. Ugh - Paul says it so much better:
    4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.


    And then there is vs. 13, and the characterization of sin in verses following - some commentators frame sin as an entity, some as an influence, something that takes occasion of the law to stir up lusts - though we are righteous in Christ, and want to do good, evil is "right there with me" (vs. 21).

    Paul articulates in vs. 15-23 the struggle we all experience as we learn to say no to ungodliness (taught by grace and the renewing of our minds). Some think he is speaking of his life before he believed in Christ, some think he's speaking of his life after believing in Christ. Perhaps it's a both/and and not an either/or thing. Paul culminates in the exasperation most of us have felt/feel when we struggle with sin, and reminds himself and us:
    24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.







    Some translations put 'sinful nature' in the place of 'flesh' in vs. 25, which is the source of MUCH confusion as to whether we as believers have a 'righteous nature' and a 'sinful nature'. The NIV has changed the 'sinful nature' back to 'flesh', which is what the Greek there, sarx, means.

    Romans 8 is a symphony of encouragement, exhortation, affirmation, and assurances - building the believer up in who they are in Christ and exhorting them to go and live as who they are in Christ!

    I love Paul's letter to the Romans - it gives such a wonderful picture of the Gospel:

    >>> Our need <<< for the Gospel
    >>> The supply <<< of the Gospel
    >>> The results <<< of the Gospel


    \o/ \o/ \o/

    -JGIG


    Thank you for this excellent post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reneweddaybyday View Post
    I don't believe this is the same thing as what I tried to convey, joefizz.


    The malefactor on the cross was not born again. I believe he came to faith right there on the cross as he witnessed the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


    In the examples I gave, I set forth the person who is born again and in not putting off the old man, he struggles to overcome temptation.

    However, if that same person has put on the new man, there is no struggle. The thought of stealing something does not even enter his mind because stealing is not anything the new man would do. The new man is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


    I hope/pray I am communicating this concept properly.
    Well one would think so but that would really depend on one's walk in spirit wouldn't it?
    Because in your examples you are clarifying a person that might want to steal something and someone who is born again that you say wouldn't even "have the thought" to do so,that's "presuming" quite a lot,because granted our tendencies after being born again are primarily in line with Jesus's will but it's more accurate to say that a person who is born again with the intention of serving Jesus at that instance would not have thought to steal the watch.
    I say this because though Jesus gives a "strong influence" if a person were to be shopping with no thought at that time of serving Jesus because they are simply "shopping" could very well still have the "thought" to steal out of many thoughts when we go "out into the world" because it's very easy to get "distracted" in such places though I would standby that a born again person"wouldn't steal" the watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reneweddaybyday View Post
    And then we have Luke 15:

    7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. Prov 4:18


    Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. Prov 9:9

    He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
    Prov 17:15

    But of course, the joy is in the presence of the just when the sinner repents.


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    I was saved late in life (40) and for me my motivation changed in a flash. I was no longer the selfish, evil person I was. I became something new. I now think about others first. Do I fall short? Every day. But that doesn't mean God severs His fellowship with me. He is always there. I am often guilty of trying to hide from Him, but even if I was able to convince myself otherwise, He is still there.

    Think about the question of this op. Do we really believe we control God? God has chosen us for His purposes and it is God who keeps us, not we who keep God.
    That is, I believe, what paul was referring to in Romans and elsewhere. Our flesh is wicked and will be until we get our glorified bodies. Thank God I do not have to rely on me to keep our fellowship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlSnookman7 View Post
    I was saved late in life (40) and for me my motivation changed in a flash. I was no longer the selfish, evil person I was. I became something new. I now think about others first. Do I fall short? Every day. But that doesn't mean God severs His fellowship with me. He is always there. I am often guilty of trying to hide from Him, but even if I was able to convince myself otherwise, He is still there.

    Think about the question of this op. Do we really believe we control God? God has chosen us for His purposes and it is God who keeps us, not we who keep God.
    That is, I believe, what paul was referring to in Romans and elsewhere. Our flesh is wicked and will be until we get our glorified bodies. Thank God I do not have to rely on me to keep our fellowship.

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