The true author of the Bible

[carl11]

Now it is true that virtually all churches will say that God is the author of the Bible and yet he used mankind to pen the Bible and yet that would be a very accurate statement.

But here in lies the error of a great many of the churches and or teachers in that they look at 2Pt. 1:21 and deduce the idea that somehow God moved or perhaps the writers of the Bible were inspired some how to write the Bible. Many say that Luke wrote the book of Luke because it was his style or even with Moses because we know that he wrote the 1st five books of the Bible and many others will say Paul did or did not write because it goes in direct opposition of how the rest of the Bible is laid out.

The interesting part is when we look at 2Pt. 1:21 real closely we see the phrase not by the will of man, that is to say that in no manner did mankind have any inspiration or were moved in a form from God to write the Bible, that would be a impossibility. We have examples of this idea that it was God who gave the words to the writers to put in a book / scroll all of the words that God wanted for us to have.

Ex. 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Jer. 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Rev. 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There is also one other thought on this in that if mankind did use their words to write the Bible or even parts it could not and would not hold any validity to that of being true, we would have all kinds of contradictions and what not. So we know that the Bible is 100% the word of God and not 99.9% of God and .1% of mankind.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But here in lies the error of a great many of the churches and or teachers in that they look at 2 Pt. 1:21 and deduce the idea that somehow God moved or perhaps the writers of the Bible were inspired some how to write the Bible.

It appears that you are a little confused about this matter. How can it be an *error* to say that God inspired the writers of Scripture? Holy men of God spoke (or wrote) as they were "moved" by the Holy Ghost. This corresponds to "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" which literally says "All Scripture is God-breathed" (Gk theopneustos).

 

[Zmouth]

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Rom 10:14

So how did they write the written word of God unless they read the written word of God? and how shall they believe in the word of God they have not heard? and how shall they hear without someone speaking to them?


15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

And how did they read the word of God unless it was written by the LORD and given to man?

And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. Deut 9:10

 

[graceNpeace]

Now it is true that virtually all churches will say that God is the author of the Bible and yet he used mankind to pen the Bible and yet that would be a very accurate statement.

But here in lies the error of a great many of the churches and or teachers in that they look at 2Pt. 1:21 and deduce the idea that somehow God moved or perhaps the writers of the Bible were inspired some how to write the Bible. Many say that Luke wrote the book of Luke because it was his style or even with Moses because we know that he wrote the 1st five books of the Bible and many others will say Paul did or did not write because it goes in direct opposition of how the rest of the Bible is laid out.

The interesting part is when we look at 2Pt. 1:21 real closely we see the phrase not by the will of man, that is to say that in no manner did mankind have any inspiration or were moved in a form from God to write the Bible, that would be a impossibility. We have examples of this idea that it was God who gave the words to the writers to put in a book / scroll all of the words that God wanted for us to have.

Ex. 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Jer. 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Rev. 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There is also one other thought on this in that if mankind did use their words to write the Bible or even parts it could not and would not hold any validity to that of being true, we would have all kinds of contradictions and what not. So we know that the Bible is 100% the word of God and not 99.9% of God and .1% of mankind.

You seem to have the idea that God just DICTATED stuff to the authors - this is incorrect!

Although, God did inspire these authors to write what they wrote there is no doubt that the vocabulary and writing style of the authors comes through.
This is especially noticeable in the New Testament where one can see clear differences between the styles of major authors such as Paul, Peter, Luke, and John whereas when one looks at the Pauline Epistles they are demonstrably all from the same authors. This comes through even in English translations but is most obvious when looking at the these books in Koine Greek.

If God merely dictated all the books of the what we now call the Bible then they would all read the same as far as style and vocabulary goes...

 

[Joseppi]

The Holy Bible is authorized by God.

 

[carl11]

You seem to have the idea that God just DICTATED stuff to the authors - this is incorrect!

Although, God did inspire these authors to write what they wrote there is no doubt that the vocabulary and writing style of the authors comes through.
This is especially noticeable in the New Testament where one can see clear differences between the styles of major authors such as Paul, Peter, Luke, and John whereas when one looks at the Pauline Epistles they are demonstrably all from the same authors. This comes through even in English translations but is most obvious when looking at the these books in Koine Greek.

If God merely dictated all the books of the what we now call the Bible then they would all read the same as far as style and vocabulary goes...

That is what scriptures have to say concerning how the Bible was written. In 2Pt. 1:2 it’s says not by the will of man at any time,
God gave them the words to write in the style as in how they would write. If mankind had some part in dictating scriptures out of their mind then there is no way we could call it God’s word or even say ALL scriptures are God breathed. [2 Sam. 23:2]

 

[John146]

It appears that you are a little confused about this matter. How can it be an *error* to say that God inspired the writers of Scripture? Holy men of God spoke (or wrote) as they were "moved" by the Holy Ghost. This corresponds to "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" which literally says "All Scripture is God-breathed" (Gk theopneustos).

The words of Scripture are inspired. God chose men to preserve the inspired words by writing them down.

 

[Joseppi]

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Prophecy came directly from God.
As in, then came the word of God to....

And it needs to be noted that prophecy is the word of God.

However, much of the Holy Bible is legal testimony presenting the true history of God’s dealings with man and what men did in times past with respect to God.

The authorization of God insures men of faith that all that is in the Holy Bible is scripture, ordained of God unto salvation to all who believe what is written of God.

I don’t believe men are ignorant of the holiness of the Bible. I believe men wander off to other books because they desire to do as they please in the bliss of willful ignorance.

I think carl11 makes a good point in stating that man didn’t author the scriptures. God is the author and some men who were faithful to God did as God asked them to do. And to some came the word of God for them to publish truthfully,

Some don’t want to believe God is the author of the Holy Bible because there are things written in it that they don’t believe. So, men in unbelief attack faith in the written word of God.

If you do believe what is written then you will come to know the truth. If not, you may fall away from the truth and perish.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Jeremiah 36:

1 And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.

3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.

4 Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.

5 And Jeremiah commanded Baruch, saying, I am shut up; I cannot go into the house of the LORD:

6 Therefore go thou, and read in the roll, which thou hast written from my mouth, the words of the LORD in the ears of the people in the LORD'S house upon the fasting day: and also thou shalt read them in the ears of all Judah that come out of their cities.

7 It may be they will present their supplication before the LORD, and will return every one from his evil way: for great is the anger and the fury that the LORD hath pronounced against this people.

8 And Baruch the son of Neriah did according to all that Jeremiah the prophet commanded him, reading in the book the words of the LORD in the LORD'S house.

9 And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the LORD to all the people in Jerusalem, and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem.

10 Then read Baruch in the book the words of Jeremiah in the house of the LORD, in the chamber of Gemariah the son of Shaphan the scribe, in the higher court, at the entry of the new gate of the LORD'S house, in the ears of all the people.

11 When Michaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard out of the book all the words of the LORD,

12 Then he went down into the king's house, into the scribe's chamber: and, lo, all the princes sat there, even Elishama the scribe, and Delaiah the son of Shemaiah, and Elnathan the son of Achbor, and Gemariah the son of Shaphan, and Zedekiah the son of Hananiah, and all the princes.

13 Then Michaiah declared unto them all the words that he had heard, when Baruch read the book in the ears of the people.

14 Therefore all the princes sent Jehudi the son of Nethaniah, the son of Shelemiah, the son of Cushi, unto Baruch, saying, Take in thine hand the roll wherein thou hast read in the ears of the people, and come. So Baruch the son of Neriah took the roll in his hand, and came unto them.

15 And they said unto him, Sit down now, and read it in our ears. So Baruch read it in their ears.

16 Now it came to pass, when they had heard all the words, they were afraid both one and other, and said unto Baruch, We will surely tell the king of all these words.

17 And they asked Baruch, saying, Tell us now, How didst thou write all these words at his mouth?

18 Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words unto me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.

19 Then said the princes unto Baruch, Go, hide thee, thou and Jeremiah; and let no man know where ye be.

20 And they went in to the king into the court, but they laid up the roll in the chamber of Elishama the scribe, and told all the words in the ears of the king.

21 So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.

22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.

23 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.

24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

25 Nevertheless Elnathan and Delaiah and Gemariah had made intercession to the king that he would not burn the roll: but he would not hear them.

26 But the king commanded Jerahmeel the son of Hammelech, and Seraiah the son of Azriel, and Shelemiah the son of Abdeel, to take Baruch the scribe and Jeremiah the prophet: but the LORD hid them.

27 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,

28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.

29 And thou shalt say to Jehoiakim king of Judah, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast burned this roll, saying, Why hast thou written therein, saying, The king of Babylon shall certainly come and destroy this land, and shall cause to cease from thence man and beast?

30 Therefore thus saith the LORD of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.

31 And I will punish him and his seed and his servants for their iniquity; and I will bring upon them, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and upon the men of Judah, all the evil that I have pronounced against them; but they hearkened not.

32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

 

[carl11]

It appears that you are a little confused about this matter. How can it be an *error* to say that God inspired the writers of Scripture? Holy men of God spoke (or wrote) as they were "moved" by the Holy Ghost. This corresponds to "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" which literally says "All Scripture is God-breathed" (Gk theopneustos).

There is no error saying that God was the person that gave these men to write down the words that came directly from him [God]. That’s why it says not the will of man at any time.

 

[Blain]

There is no error saying that God was the person that gave these men to write down the words that came directly from him [God]. That’s why it says not the will of man at any time.

True it was not by the will of men it was by the will of God. There is a difference between being inspired to write something and being willed to write something, he didn't force them to write they were lead to do it and in their willingness to be used by God he spoke through them

 

[JesusLives]

If you're looking for just one name then it is God.....

 

[posthuman]

That is what scriptures have to say concerning how the Bible was written. In 2Pt. 1:2 it’s says not by the will of man at any time,
God gave them the words to write in the style as in how they would write. If mankind had some part in dictating scriptures out of their mind then there is no way we could call it God’s word or even say ALL scriptures are God breathed. [2 Sam. 23:2]

If I say "you will die in your sin unless you believe in Christ" am I speaking the word of God or does it have to be a direct quote from scripture?

If it has to be a direct quote from scripture or it is not the word if God, must it be in Hebrew or Greek? Is it even possible that anything written in any other language is the word of God?

What does it mean, what happened at the tower of Babel? The Lord's judgement confounding human language have anything to do with this?

 

[John146]

If I say "you will die in your sin unless you believe in Christ" am I speaking the word of God or does it have to be a direct quote from scripture?

If it has to be a direct quote from scripture or it is not the word if God, must it be in Hebrew or Greek? Is it even possible that anything written in any other language is the word of God?

What does it mean, what happened at the tower of Babel? The Lord's judgement confounding human language have anything to do with this?

An explanation of Scripture is not the word of God, but just that, an explanation of Scripture which is fine when explaining a passage where another can understand the meaning. Speaking the word of God is quoting directly from Scripture.

 

[carl11]

If I say "you will die in your sin unless you believe in Christ" am I speaking the word of God or does it have to be a direct quote from scripture?

If it has to be a direct quote from scripture or it is not the word if God, must it be in Hebrew or Greek? Is it even possible that anything written in any other language is the word of God?

What does it mean, what happened at the tower of Babel? The Lord's judgement confounding human language have anything to do with this?

The word of God is the word of God, it just so happens that we have a variety of translations and why? Did not God command that the believers are to send out the word of God to all peoples of the world so that they may become saved.

 

[posthuman]

An explanation of Scripture is not the word of God, but just that, an explanation of Scripture which is fine when explaining a passage where another can understand the meaning. Speaking the word of God is quoting directly from Scripture.

and what language did God speak in when He gave scripture . . ?

 

[joefizz]

and what language did God speak in when He gave scripture . . ?

His own.

 

[John146]

and what language did God speak in when He gave scripture . . ?

Originally? I'm not definite on all the different languages that are found in the "originals". I know God allows His originals to be translated into various languages, and those translations are the word by God.

 

[carl11]

and what language did God speak in when He gave scripture . . ?

I would surmise Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek as far as the original is concerned.

 

[Dino246]

... But here in lies the error of a great many of the churches and or teachers in that they look at 2Pt. 1:21 and deduce the idea that somehow God moved or perhaps the writers of the Bible were inspired some how to write the Bible. ...
The interesting part is when we look at 2Pt. 1:21 real closely we see the phrase not by the will of man, that is to say that in no manner did mankind have any inspiration or were moved in a form from God to write the Bible, that would be a impossibility. We have examples of this idea that it was God who gave the words to the writers to put in a book / scroll all of the words that God wanted for us to have.

2 Peter 2:1 is about prophecy specifically not about Scripture generally. The context of the passage is prophecy, not merely Scripture. Peter is stating that true prophecy does not come about by the will of humans. He then contrasts false prophets, who speak from their own sensuality and greed.

Many say that Luke wrote the book of Luke because it was his style or even with Moses because we know that he wrote the 1st five books of the Bible and many others will say Paul did or did not write because it goes in direct opposition of how the rest of the Bible is laid out. ...
There is also one other thought on this in that if mankind did use their words to write the Bible or even parts it could not and would not hold any validity to that of being true, we would have all kinds of contradictions and what not. So we know that the Bible is 100% the word of God and not 99.9% of God and .1% of mankind.

That is a "dictation" view of Scripture and is not valid. There is very definitely a variety of literary styles in Scripture, within any given genre. Genesis is not like Kings, which is not like Acts. Jonah is not like Amos. God is far more able to speak through people and their writing than you seem to give Him credit.