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    That is why John 16:13 takes precedence for me. The Spirit of Truth should be our guide. We should not assume all scripture was written by the Spirit of Truth. Because God does not lie, and does not work with lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    Bible > 2 Thessalonians > Chapter 2 > Verse 11
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    I ask you... would God ever delude anyone? If A house divided against itself cannot stand, then truth will not work in favor of Lies... or through lies. If we believe these verses, then we misunderstand God.

    All of these verses say God works with lies.

    The watering down is complete.
    Read 1 Kings 22 and 2 Chronicles 18.

    Nothing you quoted has anything to do with "watering down of Scripture over time".

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.

    2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
    Read the many translations of that single verse.

    Their meanings range from "you will never be able to understand a single prophecy" to "all prophecy is not to be understand privately" to "prophecy is not from a prophets imagination."

    These are all different statements/assertions... but they are all the same verse. 2Peter 1:20
    You haven't provided evidence of watering down over time. You gave some different translations and some paraphrases; that's all. A competent preacher, writer, or student would not regard a paraphrase on the same level of linguistic precision as a translation, and would recognize that neither Greek nor Hebrew translate perfectly into English, so a variety of translations is possible in many cases depending on the translator's goals and contextual understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    That is why John 16:13 takes precedence for me. The Spirit of Truth should be our guide. We should not assume all scripture was written by the Spirit of Truth. Because God does not lie, and does not work with lies.
    Since you believe that the Word has been watered down, what makes you think that John 16:13 or any particular verse hasn't been watered down? What makes you think you have a valid and sound translation of any verse? Your reasoning is on very shaky ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino246 View Post
    Read 1 Kings 22 and 2 Chronicles 18.

    Nothing you quoted has anything to do with "watering down of Scripture over time".

    Try again.
    You can know the character of the one who sends a message by the message sent.

    If the message was known to be a lie... the messenger is not the liar... but the one who sent him is.

    If you believe 1Kings 22:23 is 100% as God intended.. then you also believe He sometimes lies... no. 1Kings 22:23 is corrupted... just like 1Chron 18:22.

    And to use a corrupted verse to defend a corrupted verse is like saying "if we lie enough, it will become true."

    God never lies nor does He condone it. To lie is to bare false witness... That's a big no no... and God holds Himself and his workers to a higher standard than the scriptures you cited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino246 View Post
    Since you believe that the Word has been watered down, what makes you think that John 16:13 or any particular verse hasn't been watered down? What makes you think you have a valid and sound translation of any verse? Your reasoning is on very shaky ground.
    ...and believing God works through lies and condoning lies... you've lost all ground.

    And I believe God speaks to our hearts through the Holy Spirit... we can feel when something is a Gospel truth or not... I believe God loves us enough to give us this... so those who want the truth can feel it out.

    How do you feel when you verbally believe 1Kings 22:23? ... say the words out loud and see how they feel.. "yes.. God lies to us through lying spirits... and yes.. He speaks evil as well."

    Do those words feel right to you? .. if not.. John 16:13 is at work..

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    Do you realize.. Jesus was so unpopular because He challenged the corrupted ways of the ancient Jews... even though Deuteronomy warned... not to let the scriptures become corrupted... and even now.. people defend the new corrupted ways... even though Revelation warns against letting it become corrupted...

    ... but God doesn't waste His words... and doesn't warn people against doing things that are impossible already.

    His warning not to add to or take away from... the existence of that warning... means it's possible to mess up at.

    Food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    ...and believing God works through lies and condoning lies... you've lost all ground.

    And I believe God speaks to our hearts through the Holy Spirit... we can feel when something is a Gospel truth or not... I believe God loves us enough to give us this... so those who want the truth can feel it out.

    How do you feel when you verbally believe 1Kings 22:23? ... say the words out loud and see how they feel.. "yes.. God lies to us through lying spirits... and yes.. He speaks evil as well."

    Do those words feel right to you? .. if not.. John 16:13 is at work..
    You've made god conform to your ideas, rather than allowing your ideas to conform to God. I have said nothing about my beliefs, so your opening comment is irrelevant at best and ad hominem at worst.

    Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God does not work with lies; you made that up yourself. What it does say is "God is not a man that he should lie." Consider how much more of your beliefs about God are actually your own invention.

    Since you so blithely reject any Scripture that disagrees with your view, you have no objective standard. Your position is fundamentally no different than that of a JW, Adventist, or Mormon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    That's utter nonsense. Strong's is very trustworthy and reliable, and has been for a very long time. Supplementing it with Thayer's provides further insight.
    I use Strong's all the time, but it isn't perfect. I see traditions of man interjected into its definitions. Let's face it Antichrist has had his way with Christianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    I would never trust in my eternal salvation to the word of strongs...

    People who do place strongs as an authority over the Holy Bible have made strongs the judge of the Word of God.. They have made the men who produced strongs higher then the Apostles in authority..

    In the end the people who judge the Word by their ""gospel of stongs"" will find out that the truth of the matter on the day of judgement..
    I don't trust my salvation to any book. Without the Holy Spirit I wouldn't ever find my way to Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    ...and believing God works through lies and condoning lies... you've lost all ground.

    And I believe God speaks to our hearts through the Holy Spirit... we can feel when something is a Gospel truth or not... I believe God loves us enough to give us this... so those who want the truth can feel it out.

    How do you feel when you verbally believe 1Kings 22:23? ... say the words out loud and see how they feel.. "yes.. God lies to us through lying spirits... and yes.. He speaks evil as well."

    Do those words feel right to you? .. if not.. John 16:13 is at work..
    How do you know if God weren't talking to a demon when the lying spirit came forth (in 1 Kings 22:23). You have to stop drawing conclusions on your interpretations. It's dangerous.


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    to them who are the called according to His purpose.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post
    Have you ever wondered if that is a test that God wants in every Bible? ... I mean.. is it possible that the true seekers of truth (who will be few and will be persecuted) will only rely on the Holy Spirit in their heart and not assume someone else got it right when they put things down on paper? For example, in 1Samuel 16 we see in many verses that God sent an evil spirit to torment Saul... but does God have evil minions? ... and will we persecute those Christians that say, "No... God wouldn't do that... but I won't stop reading because a test (a falsehood) was allowed into the Bible?

    Will we persecute those Christians and say that they aren't Christian? Is this another test we might be failing?
    "1 Sam. 16:14 But the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him."

    The Holy Spirit had departed from Saul because of transgression and because he was separated from the LORD, an evil spirit was allowed to cause him grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1975 View Post

    His warning not to add to or take away from... the existence of that warning... means it's possible to mess up at.

    Food for thought.
    what would you be doing if you decide you're going to edit what you read in the scripture according to your own understanding of it, then?

    because you read something and find it mysterious, you decide to delete it from the Bible. you fail to see how it glorifies God, so, depending on your own comprehension and opinion, you mark it out. what are you effectively doing, and who are you effectively trusting to inform you of the ultimate truth?
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