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wanderer6059

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You are saved by grace through faith, this happens by believing with the heart and confessing the Lord Christ Jesus.

Works are simple the evidence of living faith, and are not something you can produce on your own, you need the Spirit of God because you can't produce the works without Him.

There is the person in the trinity called the Holy Spirit, He is still active like in the book of acts today, He never stopped.

90% of bible translations today are all well and good, and saying one translation alone is the only way is kinda ignorant.

that is what i believe... what do you think lol
 

wanderer6059

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I should also add OSAS is a little illogical you can loss your salvation, it is just highly unlikely that you will take the necessary steps to do so.
 
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I think you like to cause trouble. No other reason for this thread.
 

Ezekiel8

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I think I would agree with most of what you said.
 
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For salvation to be lost the following must occur.....

1. Jesus is a liar

a. I will never leave you nor forsake you
b. All that the Father hath given me I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day

2. The Power of God is weak, inept and must fail

a. We are KEPT by the power of GOD through faith

3. Christ is weak and fails in his work of faith

a. Jesus is the BEGINNER, FINISHER and COMPLETES the work of FAITH HE BEGAN IN US

4. THE words ETERNAL and EVERLASTING are LIES by GOD and actually MEAN TEMPORAL and CONDITIONAL

a. HE that believes on the son is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
b. ....AND I GIVE UNTO THEN ETERNAL LIFE

5. The SEALING of the HOLY SPIRIT is UNDONE and GOD LIED

a. SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION by the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE

6. GOD LIED AGAIN because the seed we are BORN of is CORRUPTABLE

a. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

7. John is a liar when he writes we may KNOW we have eternal life (see point 4)

a. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

8. God lied again when he inspired...

a. NOTHING shall separate you from the LOVE OF GOD

and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON......

It must be tragic to believe in a weak, inept god that cannot keep his word, his promises and one whose power is unable to keep you saved after he saved you at YOUR WORST and while in a totally LOST STATE!
 

RickyZ

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I should also add OSAS is a little illogical you can loss your salvation, it is just highly unlikely that you will take the necessary steps to do so.
Thank you!
 
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For salvation to be lost the following must occur.....

1. Jesus is a liar

a. I will never leave you nor forsake you
b. All that the Father hath given me I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day

2. The Power of God is weak, inept and must fail

a. We are KEPT by the power of GOD through faith

3. Christ is weak and fails in his work of faith

a. Jesus is the BEGINNER, FINISHER and COMPLETES the work of FAITH HE BEGAN IN US

4. THE words ETERNAL and EVERLASTING are LIES by GOD and actually MEAN TEMPORAL and CONDITIONAL

a. HE that believes on the son is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
b. ....AND I GIVE UNTO THEN ETERNAL LIFE

5. The SEALING of the HOLY SPIRIT is UNDONE and GOD LIED

a. SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION by the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE

6. GOD LIED AGAIN because the seed we are BORN of is CORRUPTABLE

a. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

7. John is a liar when he writes we may KNOW we have eternal life (see point 4)

a. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

8. God lied again when he inspired...

a. NOTHING shall separate you from the LOVE OF GOD

and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON......

It must be tragic to believe in a weak, inept god that cannot keep his word, his promises and one whose power is unable to keep you saved after he saved you at YOUR WORST and while in a totally LOST STATE!
The part you don't get is the part about those who are living unchanged/unchanging lives aren't even born again for all of this to even matter.

People who think their church attendance, their Bible study leading, their tithing, their loud praise of God's grace, their evangelism, their teaching, their church program participation, etc. but who live unholy, unchanged, disobedient lives somehow shows they 'know' God and are saved will be among those Christ turns away at his return. No claim of 'look at all this ministry I've done in your name', or 'but I'm once saved always saved' will rescue you on that day.

Let's stop majoring on and taking false comfort in meaningless doctrines like 'once saved always saved' and start leading people to that which matters. Keep trusting in Christ for justification. Look at your life to know that you really are doing that.

Unchanged/ unchanging people are lost people with no inheritance from the Lord to look forward to. Don't be one of them thinking you can have an inheritance from the Lord and be living in the unbelief of an unchanged life at the same time. Prove you believe/trust in Christ for justification by seeking to be obedient to him through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Lets put those debating skills to the test...come into the chat rooms :rolleyes:
No, do that here.

I want to hear why the Galatians really were going to be heirs of the promises for going back to justification through the law even though Paul said they would not.
 
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The part you don't get is the part about those who are living unchanged/unchanging lives aren't even born again for all of this to even matter.

People who think their church attendance, their Bible study leading, their tithing, their loud praise of God's grace, their evangelism, their teaching, their church program participation, etc. but who live unholy, unchanged, disobedient lives somehow shows they 'know' God and are saved will be among those Christ turns away at his return. No claim of 'look at all this ministry I've done in your name', or 'but I'm once saved always saved' will rescue you on that day.

Let's stop majoring on and taking false comfort in meaningless doctrines like 'once saved always saved' and start leading people to that which matters. Keep trusting in Christ for justification. Look at your life to know that you really are doing that.

Unchanged/ unchanging people are lost people with no inheritance from the Lord to look forward to. Don't be one of them thinking you can have an inheritance from the Lord and be living in the unbelief of an unchanged life at the same time. Prove you believe/trust in Christ for justification by seeking to be obedient to him through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Ralph, your drivel will never mean anything to me....the above post is valid and to lose salvation ALL of the above must fail...it is you that is not getting it....no need to tap dance with a working for, I keep myself saved religionist....!
 

wanderer6059

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For salvation to be lost the following must occur.....

1. Jesus is a liar

a. I will never leave you nor forsake you
b. All that the Father hath given me I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day

2. The Power of God is weak, inept and must fail

a. We are KEPT by the power of GOD through faith

3. Christ is weak and fails in his work of faith

a. Jesus is the BEGINNER, FINISHER and COMPLETES the work of FAITH HE BEGAN IN US

4. THE words ETERNAL and EVERLASTING are LIES by GOD and actually MEAN TEMPORAL and CONDITIONAL

a. HE that believes on the son is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
b. ....AND I GIVE UNTO THEN ETERNAL LIFE

5. The SEALING of the HOLY SPIRIT is UNDONE and GOD LIED

a. SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION by the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE

6. GOD LIED AGAIN because the seed we are BORN of is CORRUPTABLE

a. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

7. John is a liar when he writes we may KNOW we have eternal life (see point 4)

a. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

8. God lied again when he inspired...

a. NOTHING shall separate you from the LOVE OF GOD

and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON......

It must be tragic to believe in a weak, inept god that cannot keep his word, his promises and one whose power is unable to keep you saved after he saved you at YOUR WORST and while in a totally LOST STATE!
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, that is the only way to loss it. basically you have to completely renounce Christ and then actively persecute His church till the day you die.
 
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Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, that is the only way to loss it. basically you have to completely renounce Christ and then actively persecute His church till the day you die.
Except for one fact....blasphemy of the spirit is to attribute the work of Christ to the power of the devil which is a state of unbelief...one who will not believe cannot be forgiven.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The Pharisees did not BELIEVE and were attributing the work of Christ to the power of the devil <--NO BELIEF = NO FORGIVENESS and or SALVATION
 

wanderer6059

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Except for one fact....blasphemy of the spirit is to attribute the work of Christ to the power of the devil which is a state of unbelief...one who will not believe cannot be forgiven.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The Pharisees did not BELIEVE and were attributing the work of Christ to the power of the devil <--NO BELIEF = NO FORGIVENESS and or SALVATION
ok, simple question.

if a believer come to the point were they genuinely no longer believe in Christ, and confess He is not God, but just man or even to go as far as call Him a con are they still saved?
 
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Ralph, your drivel will never mean anything to me....the above post is valid and to lose salvation ALL of the above must fail...it is you that is not getting it....no need to tap dance with a working for, I keep myself saved religionist....!
Can you explain how the Galatians can go back to the law for justification and continue to be heirs of the promises no matter what, despite the fact that Paul said they would not?
 

wanderer6059

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ohh another one, Doctrinal preferences of denominations, actually denominations in general ruin the body of Christ and are borderline scriptural.
 
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Can you explain how the Galatians can go back to the law for justification and continue to be heirs of the promises no matter what, despite the fact that Paul said they would not?
I don't think they were going back to the law. They were most likely gentiles who were being deceived by Christian pharisees from Judah that they had to keep the law.
 
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I don't think they were going back to the law. They were most likely gentiles who were being deceived by Christian pharisees from Judah that they had to keep the law.
Paul says they were going back to the law:


"how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."-Galatians 4:


But I have to agree with you that they were probably being influenced by the Judaizers from Jerusalem and being told that they must to keep the law of Moses about Sabbaths, Festivals and so forth.
 

carl11

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ok, simple question.

if a believer come to the point were they genuinely no longer believe in Christ, and confess He is not God, but just man or even to go as far as call Him a con are they still saved?
This would never happen to the true believers whom Christ has saved, this can happen to a believer who thought that they were a true believer and thought that Christ had saved them but in all reality they were never of Christ.