Question about sex

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pottersclay

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#21
What you are describing is not intamacy of any sort. Wed or unwed. It's a act of violence. God did not create sex to be out of marriage and I rather doubt to bond and degrade a person either.
One must wonder why this stimulates any sexual tendencies as it is a mask to cover up acts of violence and aggresion.
According to God's word love is nothing like this.
 
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renewed_hope

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#22
I'm sorry to break the rules I really didn't know where else post this. How does the Catholic Church feel about S&M? I'm being serious when I ask this. I'm too afraid to talk to my priest being that I'm female. Truth be told I used to be really into it for about 5 years and my last boyfriend was borderline mentally abusive about it. He would constantly talk down to me and degrade me and what I always talk being with other women right in front of me. So I left the lifestyle 2 years ago. I haven't had a relationship since then. I feel better with my relationship with God but deep down I'm hurting with guilt over wanting to do this again. I've only had two relationships and both had this in them. I was the dominant one who controlled my boyfriends and they loved it. Now I feel anxious and vulnerable when I think about being in a relationship without it. It made me feel safe to be in control. Picture of the exact opposite of Jill Duggar's marriage. What should I do?
First off sex is supposed to me intimate and very special between a couple....which I could not imagine doing the s&m. I was giving my guy a foot rub a while back and things got a little out of hand (he was tickling me lol), I fell off the bed and got hurt, he felt awful and made sure I was okay before I went home. I believe that is the normal behavior between a couple and not to intentionally bound or whip each other. God did not create us to hurt one another and doing these violent acts do just that because one wrong move could land you or your partner in the ground.

I would recommend seeing a counselor about this because I bet you it has nothing to do with sex at all, but rather something else.
 

Blain

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#23
Sadly topics like this and also catholic things are very touchy and kind of red zone topics but are topics that if a person really needs help with should be able to discuss without fear of being banned, of course discernment is vital both in how the person speaks of it and words it and also in the people reading to know if it's serious or a troll.

As for your thin I honestly don't what s and m is but if it's things like using whips and spanking each other I don't recommend it.
I mean it just doesn't seem pure it seems violent,sex is supposed to be something intimate and pure in which two beings come together to create life and show their affection for each other, adding violence or anything aside from that seems like it just taints the purity of it
 
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joefizz

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#24
Before anyone says within the confines of marriage that S&M is ok, imagine God walking in the garden in the cool of the day & discover Adam & Eve having S&M instead of procreation like He commanded them to.

I kinda get the idea mankind would be in the same condition today If they did that instead of eating the forbidden fruit, jus' saying.

I simply can't imagine beating our mates for pleasure being acceptable with God.

Tell that to millions of old married couples that hit each other with dishes.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#25
This is 1 of 2 videos that will help you TREMENDOUSLY!!! Enjoy! :)


[video=youtube;29JPnJSmDs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29JPnJSmDs0[/video]
I honestly don't get this guy, Gungor. I'm thinking he's not a Christian, correct? Because he stereotypes folks by lower, worldly standards. Christians who resemble Christ don't fit into the categories he describes. A man who can’t visualize outside the box? A woman who doesn’t desire a man at rest? That’s rubbish.
And as a matter of fact, he doesn’t exactly come across as very strong or stalwart. He’s a bundle of nerves and noise. He rather reminds me of that guy Tobias Fünke from “Arrested Development”.

Tobias+Funke+Moustache.jpg
 

Desdichado

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#26
I would think the Catholic Church is okay with that stuff.

I mean the popularized the Rack. The Wheel. The Iron Maiden. Etc.
 

Desdichado

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#27
I know Tommy has a thorough, multi-paragraph answer in the works.

He's an expert in this field, you see...
 

Desdichado

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SovereignGrace wrote the book on this subject too though. Maybe he wants to chime in.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#29
My dear friend & pastor Jim Minker (who went home with God a few years ago) wrote about struggling with lust. Here is an excerpt from that letter.

In Christ we have been set free from sin. This is NOT a hypothetical or theological freedom ... it is a REAL freedom. The more you and I come to realize what sin really is, then we are not left in such confusion over SPECIFIC sins.

Sin comes from desires of an empty shell that CANNOT be satisfied. Man without God is constantly looking for that special something that will fill the emptiness in order to satisfy it. Realize that nothing of itself is evil, but that it is the DESIRES of the EMPTY THING in its seeking to fill it's longing by any means possible. The flesh will use, manipulate, destroy, kill or steal in order to get what it THINKS will satisfy ... and will justify itself in the process. But as nothing will satisfy but the life of God, man has left behind a trail of destruction in his path.

But we have had the emptiness removed from us by being indwelt by the very life of God. When you and I lust in the flesh, we are operating as insane, since WE NO LONGER HAVE THE NEED. What is it that you are looking for? What emptiness do you think you can fill? It is only insanity that makes you THINK that it will be filled in this way because the life inside you KNOWS that it cannot be.
What is it that makes pornography evil? It's NOT naked women, that's for sure! It's not sex, either. It is the desire of empty man that will steal from or destroy another to satisfy a desire that CANNOT be satisfied.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can adjust your desires so that they become pure because that is merely a game. Instead, be glad that God is revealing to you how desperate the empty flesh really is ... and what it is that His freedom has really brought about. The more you understand what things are NOT, the less you find yourself deceived by those things. The Father wants you to know how powerful HIS desires are, and that these desires are the truth of your new life. He is revealing to you the emptiness and futility of the old.

When Paul wrote, "Put off the old man with his desires," he was NOT suggesting a STRUGGLE he wanted us to enter into, but he had been making it clear that the thing to be put off was to be seen as something that is no longer us or who we are. The language is used as in putting off clothing. The old man with his desires is like decayed grave clothes still hanging on one who has been made alive from the dead - like Lazarus who had come out of the grave and was still wrapped up in the embalming clothes. Jesus had to tell the people standing around to help get the grave clothes off of him.

When we are caught up in law and therefore, sin, we have, in picture form, put those grave clothes back on. While we perceive sin to be part of who we are then, of course, we will only be able to hear this as an impossible struggle to be undertaken. But it is NOT part of us because Christ has removed it from us. It hangs on us in our PERCEPTIONS, and because of that, it will produce destruction.

Take off those grave clothes ... you're no longer dead.
Jim Minker
 
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Dan58

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#30
I feel better with my relationship with God but deep down I'm hurting with guilt over wanting to do this again. I've only had two relationships and both had this in them. I was the dominant one who controlled my boyfriends and they loved it. Now I feel anxious and vulnerable when I think about being in a relationship without it. It made me feel safe to be in control. Picture of the exact opposite of Jill Duggar's marriage. What should I do?

I'd strongly suggest finding a normal guy who doesn't want to be spanked, etc... The bigger problem might be with you? The desire to degrade and dominate others isn't Christian, or even normal. Imo, its more of a perversion than a relationship.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#31
Now I feel anxious and vulnerable when I think about being in a relationship without it. It made me feel safe to be in control. What should I do?
SundayMorning, how can you be "in control" when you are enslaved to something? That's like a drug addict, alcoholic, or porn addict saying they are in control as long as they have their fix. It's a lie of the devil to keep you from being loved fully and freely, just as you are, as God created you to be. Don't believe the devil's lie. You deserve to be treated tenderly, kindly, and with respect. God made you free, dear.

Everything is permissible for me, but I will not be brought under the bondage of anything.

Stand firm, therefore and do not be entangled again in a yoke of slavery.

Having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the one who is enslaved to sin.”

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UnderGrace

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#32
Thank you Auntie Aunt, :D

Awesome post and I think really speaks to the OP.




My dear friend & pastor Jim Minker (who went home with God a few years ago) wrote about struggling with lust. Here is an excerpt from that letter.

In Christ we have been set free from sin. This is NOT a hypothetical or theological freedom ... it is a REAL freedom. The more you and I come to realize what sin really is, then we are not left in such confusion over SPECIFIC sins.

Sin comes from desires of an empty shell that CANNOT be satisfied. Man without God is constantly looking for that special something that will fill the emptiness in order to satisfy it. Realize that nothing of itself is evil, but that it is the DESIRES of the EMPTY THING in its seeking to fill it's longing by any means possible. The flesh will use, manipulate, destroy, kill or steal in order to get what it THINKS will satisfy ... and will justify itself in the process. But as nothing will satisfy but the life of God, man has left behind a trail of destruction in his path.

But we have had the emptiness removed from us by being indwelt by the very life of God. When you and I lust in the flesh, we are operating as insane, since WE NO LONGER HAVE THE NEED. What is it that you are looking for? What emptiness do you think you can fill? It is only insanity that makes you THINK that it will be filled in this way because the life inside you KNOWS that it cannot be.
What is it that makes pornography evil? It's NOT naked women, that's for sure! It's not sex, either. It is the desire of empty man that will steal from or destroy another to satisfy a desire that CANNOT be satisfied.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can adjust your desires so that they become pure because that is merely a game. Instead, be glad that God is revealing to you how desperate the empty flesh really is ... and what it is that His freedom has really brought about. The more you understand what things are NOT, the less you find yourself deceived by those things. The Father wants you to know how powerful HIS desires are, and that these desires are the truth of your new life. He is revealing to you the emptiness and futility of the old.

When Paul wrote, "Put off the old man with his desires," he was NOT suggesting a STRUGGLE he wanted us to enter into, but he had been making it clear that the thing to be put off was to be seen as something that is no longer us or who we are. The language is used as in putting off clothing. The old man with his desires is like decayed grave clothes still hanging on one who has been made alive from the dead - like Lazarus who had come out of the grave and was still wrapped up in the embalming clothes. Jesus had to tell the people standing around to help get the grave clothes off of him.

When we are caught up in law and therefore, sin, we have, in picture form, put those grave clothes back on. While we perceive sin to be part of who we are then, of course, we will only be able to hear this as an impossible struggle to be undertaken. But it is NOT part of us because Christ has removed it from us. It hangs on us in our PERCEPTIONS, and because of that, it will produce destruction.

Take off those grave clothes ... you're no longer dead.
Jim Minker
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#33
1. I agree with PennEd Excellent answers.

2. Sadly, should have known legalism would be brought into something like this.

A. God did not say thou shalt not spank thy wife or have your wife spank you in order to please yourself or you will surelydie, . He said do not eat of this tree or you will surely die,
B. God also did not say sex was for procreation only, He also gave sex for pleasure, as was shown by a few people in this thread (your body is not your own etc)
C. Some people do not see pain as suffering, but pleasure (depending on what type it is) while others think even a paper cut is so excruciating, they go crying like baby's. Who are we to judge what is pain and what is pleasure?
D. What happens in a married couples bedroom, as long as BOTH are willing is no one business. And it is NOT SIN
F. As someone said, if they think it is sin, then to them it is sin.

to note. If Adam and Eve did S and M and did not eat the tree, they would still be perfect beings, and the world would still be a paradise,

(some people, I mean really, need to wake up!)
 

notuptome

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#34
I fail to see how this type of activity demonstrates the fruit of the Holy Spirit. If we are to be Christ-like and we are how do we relate to our spouse in this fashion?

Christians are to honor their spouse in the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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UnderGrace

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#35
The brain gives us pain signals to warn us that something is wrong.

Pain as pleasure is a perversion of how God created us to function.

As well, it is a well known fact that certain types of sexual behaviours are linked to the development of cancer which tells me that it is outside of how our bodies were meant to be used.

This is not about legalism it is about how we were created, our biology and physiology and using it the way God intended.

And I am sure Paul did not mean anything goes in the bedroom.



1. I agree with PennEd Excellent answers.

2. Sadly, should have known legalism would be brought into something like this.

A. God did not say thou shalt not spank thy wife or have your wife spank you in order to please yourself or you will surelydie, . He said do not eat of this tree or you will surely die,
B. God also did not say sex was for procreation only, He also gave sex for pleasure, as was shown by a few people in this thread (your body is not your own etc)
C. Some people do not see pain as suffering, but pleasure (depending on what type it is) while others think even a paper cut is so excruciating, they go crying like baby's. Who are we to judge what is pain and what is pleasure?
D. What happens in a married couples bedroom, as long as BOTH are willing is no one business. And it is NOT SIN
F. As someone said, if they think it is sin, then to them it is sin.

to note. If Adam and Eve did S and M and did not eat the tree, they would still be perfect beings, and the world would still be a paradise,

(some people, I mean really, need to wake up!)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#36
The brain gives us pain signals to warn us that something is wrong.

Pain as pleasure is a perversion of how God created us to function.

As well, it is a well known fact that certain types of sexual behaviours are linked to the development of cancer which tells me that it is outside of how our bodies were meant to be used.

This is not about legalism it is about how we were created, our biology and physiology and using it the way God intended.

And I am sure Paul did not mean anything goes in the bedroom.
so lets be legalistic about this?

sorry, i am not going to tell a man and woman what they can and can not do, and i am not going to call something a sin, that the bible does not say is sin.

While i wouod never do it, i will not judge a married coupl for what they do
 
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UnderGrace

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#37
Where did I say anything about judging, it is about knowing our bodies and how they were designed.

So something is harmful to the person (emotionally, physically, spiritually) and you would not tell them because scripture does not speak to sado-masochism being a sin.

How about the teenager that cuts in the privacy of his/her own bedroom or engages in auto erotic asphyxiation?

The Bible does not mention those either we can therefore tell them "go ahead it is not in the Bible", go ahead and harm your body its all good.

Thinking our body is to use and abuse is relativism at its finest. Quite sad:(

Scripture tells us our body is the temple of the Lord, anything we knowingly let abuse our body is a sin.



so lets be legalistic about this?

sorry, i am not going to tell a man and woman what they can and can not do, and i am not going to call something a sin, that the bible does not say is sin.

While i wouod never do it, i will not judge a married coupl for what they do
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#38
I'm sorry to break the rules I really didn't know where else post this. How does the Catholic Church feel about S&M? I'm being serious when I ask this. I'm too afraid to talk to my priest being that I'm female. Truth be told I used to be really into it for about 5 years and my last boyfriend was borderline mentally abusive about it. He would constantly talk down to me and degrade me and what I always talk being with other women right in front of me. So I left the lifestyle 2 years ago. I haven't had a relationship since then. I feel better with my relationship with God but deep down I'm hurting with guilt over wanting to do this again. I've only had two relationships and both had this in them. I was the dominant one who controlled my boyfriends and they loved it. Now I feel anxious and vulnerable when I think about being in a relationship without it. It made me feel safe to be in control. Picture of the exact opposite of Jill Duggar's marriage. What should I do?
the 2nd video actually deals with having sex before marriage and the fact it is detrimental

anyone who has actually counselled couples will know that what we see publicly is like the iceburg...a whole lotta way more than you can see, is going on and just like iceburgs can suddenly flip, when a supposed 'good' marriage ends, you are simply seeing what was actually going on the entire time

get the big picture. the real problem is not s & m but someone asking for permission to buck the 'rules' period

and no, I do NOT believe s & m is God's plan for a happy marriage/sex life

frankly, I think it is the equivalent of what most 'Christians' see gay sex activity as or transgender people changing their sex; sinful and against what God created

how people should act or think and how people ACTUALLY act and or think, Christian or not, is where it really happens
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#39
I honestly don't get this guy, Gungor. I'm thinking he's not a Christian, correct? Because he stereotypes folks by lower, worldly standards. Christians who resemble Christ don't fit into the categories he describes. A man who can’t visualize outside the box? A woman who doesn’t desire a man at rest? That’s rubbish.
And as a matter of fact, he doesn’t exactly come across as very strong or stalwart. He’s a bundle of nerves and noise. He rather reminds me of that guy Tobias Fünke from “Arrested Development”.

you are applying the generalizations and exaggerations in a far too literal manner

it was funny

I am a Christian

I wouldn't watch 'Arrested Development' but I would also stop short of saying you are not a Christian if you do watch it
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#40
Where did I say anything about judging, it is about knowing our bodies and how they were designed.

So something is harmful to the person (emotionally, physically, spiritually) and you would not tell them because scripture does not speak to sado-masochism being a sin.

How about the teenager that cuts in the privacy of his/her own bedroom or engages in auto erotic asphyxiation?

The Bible does not mention those either we can therefore tell them "go ahead it is not in the Bible", go ahead and harm your body its all good.

Thinking our body is to use and abuse is relativism at its finest. Quite sad:(

Scripture tells us our body is the temple of the Lord, anything we knowingly let abuse our body is a sin.
lol. Teenagers should not be having sex, unless they are married

Again, What is painful to you may not be painful to someone else. If someone is doing something that can cause harm, that's one thing, But a little master slave play is not always something that causes harm..