Question about sex

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UnderGrace

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I think you missed the whole point. And there is nothing funny about what I wrote. It is a serious problem in the teenage culture but your reasoning says that harming the body is okay as long as there is consent.

Pretending to be a slave and subjugating oneself to someone else even in play is first, a mockery of the pain that slaves actually gone through, secondly, enjoying pain probably is linked to the same reason why teenagers cut themselves.

Inflicting pain and wanting pain is pathological at its core and even Freud who was quite liberal maintained this to be true.

It seems the modern day church has more in common with worldly secular thinking than we would readily admit.






eternally-gratefull said:
lol. Teenagers should not be having sex, unless they are married

Again, What is painful to you may not be painful to someone else. If someone is doing something that can cause harm, that's one thing, But a little master slave play is not always something that causes harm..

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eternally-gratefull

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UnderGrace said:
I think you missed the whole point. And there is nothing funny about what I wrote. It is a serious problem in the teenage culture but your reasoning says that harming the body is okay as long as there is consent.
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The discussion is not teenage fornication or sex slavery, it is a man and a woman who are married. My lol, was for you trying to change to prove your point using an invalid argument. which had nothing to do with the discussion.

Pretending to be a slave and subjugating oneself to someone else even in play is first, a mockery of the pain that slaves actually gone through, secondly, enjoying pain probably is linked to the same reason why teenagers cut themselves.

Inflicting pain and wanting pain is pathological at its core and even Freud who was quite liberal maintained this to be true.

It seems the modern day church has more in common with worldly secular thinking than we would readily admit.
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Again, I am not condoning anything, I am just not going to judge a man and wife if they want to do something behind closed doors.


anymore than I would judge you for having a beer with a friend
 
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My point with regards to teenagers was about self harm which relates to sado - masochism, since it is about submitting to harm and doing harm, so they are the similar that is my point.

Drinking beer cannot be equated to sado - masochism which is pathological and if any of my Christian friends were allowing themselves to be abused or were abusing another even with consent I would tell them to get help asap.

The very name of this behaviour indicates something is wrong.









eternally-gratefull said:
The discussion is not teenage fornication or sex slavery, it is a man and a woman who are married. My lol, was for you trying to change to prove your point using an invalid argument. which had nothing to do with the discussion.



Again, I am not condoning anything, I am just not going to judge a man and wife if they want to do something behind closed doors.


anymore than I would judge you for having a beer with a friend
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eternally-gratefull

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UnderGrace said:
My point with regards to teenagers was about self harm which relates to sado - masochism, since it is about submitting to harm and doing harm, so they are the similar that is my point.

Drinking beer cannot be equated to sado - masochism which is pathological and if any of my Christian friends were allowing themselves to be abused or were abusing another even with consent I would tell them to get help asap.

The very name of this behaviour indicates something is wrong.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree.

I do not see a correlations with basic s & m with people abusing themselves in order to make amends for sin. I think you are taking the extreme level and trying to equate it with all forms.
 
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Yes, we do disagree.

However, what you have defended is the normalization of abuse, which has nothing to do with love, but rather some broken part of a person that is finding expression in an unhealthy way, whether they want to admit to it or not.

Whether the pain is intense or light is of no consequence it comes from the same place....one of a pathological need.

Love can never be involved when inflicting pain on someone for fun.






eternally-gratefull said:
We are going to have to agree to disagree.

I do not see a correlations with basic s & m with people abusing themselves in order to make amends for sin. I think you are taking the extreme level and trying to equate it with all forms.
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I'm sorry to break the rules I really didn't know where else post this. How does the Catholic Church feel about S&M? I'm being serious when I ask this. I'm too afraid to talk to my priest being that I'm female. Truth be told I used to be really into it for about 5 years and my last boyfriend was borderline mentally abusive about it. He would constantly talk down to me and degrade me and what I always talk being with other women right in front of me. So I left the lifestyle 2 years ago. I haven't had a relationship since then. I feel better with my relationship with God but deep down I'm hurting with guilt over wanting to do this again. I've only had two relationships and both had this in them. I was the dominant one who controlled my boyfriends and they loved it. Now I feel anxious and vulnerable when I think about being in a relationship without it. It made me feel safe to be in control. Picture of the exact opposite of Jill Duggar's marriage. What should I do?
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S and M? does it mean sex and marriage?

Well the Catholic Church allows sex after marriage and forbids same sex intercourse, pre marital and extramarital sex and the use of contraceptives as form of family planning.

About Marriage, it does not allow civil marriage, live ins and you must be married in the Church to be considered husband and wife in the sight of God Almighty.
 
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jameen said:
S and M? does it mean sex and marriage?

Well the Catholic Church allows sex after marriage and forbids same sex intercourse, pre marital and extramarital sex and the use of contraceptives as form of family planning.

About Marriage, it does not allow civil marriage, live ins and you must be married in the Church to be considered husband and wife in the sight of God Almighty.
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That's not at all what S&M means. It's sadomasochism.
 
melita916

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I think we all agree with the part that what a husband and wife agree to do, that is their business.

the deal with S&M, it's about getting/receiving pleasure through inflicting pain. I'm not talking about playfulness. it's one spouse causing the other to be IN pain. I personally don't believe it's healthy.

but hey, that's just one opinion.
 
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