Parable: The Sheep & The Goats

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Avillianna

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Hello everyone!

I was baptized at the age of 12. Actually all 4 of us in my family were baptized the same day. Long story short, my reasons for getting baptized back then were split between genuinely wanting to take that step, and simply doing it since I didn't want to be the only person in my family who was not yet baptized. Anyway, I finally told my family about my feelings and I remember my father reading to me the parable of the sheep and the goats. I do not remember very much about that night other than at one point it struck with me so hard that I bawled my eyes out and wailed: "I don't wanna be a goat!"

Honestly, at that moment I was scared I did the wrong thing in getting baptized when I did; however, it seems it was meant to be because I needed to hear that message that struck me so hard that one night. It makes me chuckle to think back on that time now. I'll never forget it, and to this day it's one of my favorite passages in the Bible.

Does anyone else love this passage like I do?

Jenn
 

mcubed

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Baptism does not save you.Have you ever asked The Lord Messiah/ Jesus to be your Lord and Savior?

If you have not I would LOVE TO TALK TO YOU... You can e-mail if you want to do it in private.


The night I got saved I was in Patton's restaurant and I heard "If you die tonight you will go to hell". (there is more to the story but that is not important right now). The point is I was filled with fear like I never felt before and I knew, somehow I it was Y-she speaking to me. Right then and there I said "Lord save me". I was 18 then and now almost 46; it's been quite a journey. I knew I was saved thow. If you are not sure I want to urge you to be sure and speak to Him. All you have to do is say, "Lord save me"... He will lead you, you will grow, and have know doubt you are saved. He is REAL, He is TANAGABLE!!! Even in a crowed like a restaurant!!!
 

kaijo

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Yea i like that one too.
Its an interesting one.

The way i interpreted it was that this event seems to occur after the Godless have been removed, and the Faithful have been moved elsewhere.
Then all that remains before Him are the non-believers and the hypocrites.
And the non-believers who unknowingly lived their lives following His principals are stunned to learn that they have been considered Righteous, while the self proclaimed christians who did not are shocked to learn that they are Not considered Righteous by Him.
I like this parable because it shows me that He is a Truly Just Judge.

What was your interpretation of it?
 

Avillianna

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Mcubed,

I know that baptism alone doesn't save you. I should have mentioned in my original post that I have indeed asked Christ to be a part of my life....I've just simply gotten a little further from him than I should be. I guess you could say I'm a sheep who temporarily separated from the flock!
 
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Mcubed,

I know that baptism alone doesn't save you. I should have mentioned in my original post that I have indeed asked Christ to be a part of my life....I've just simply gotten a little further from him than I should be. I guess you could say I'm a sheep who temporarily separated from the flock!
Jesus will leave the 99 to go find the 1 that wandered off...He will never leave you or forsake you
 

Zmouth

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Jesus will leave the 99 to go find the 1 that wandered off...He will never leave you or forsake you

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7


But of course, if you had a 100 sheep in the wilderness, what man would leave the 99 unprotected in the wild to go seek one that has probably already been consumed by the predators that are laying in wait :p

Then again, what would the Pharisees and scribes actually know about sheepherding?


 

DJ2

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Baptism does not save you.Have you ever asked The Lord Messiah/ Jesus to be your Lord and Savior?

If you have not I would LOVE TO TALK TO YOU... You can e-mail if you want to do it in private.


The night I got saved I was in Patton's restaurant and I heard "If you die tonight you will go to hell". (there is more to the story but that is not important right now). The point is I was filled with fear like I never felt before and I knew, somehow I it was Y-she speaking to me. Right then and there I said "Lord save me". I was 18 then and now almost 46; it's been quite a journey. I knew I was saved thow. If you are not sure I want to urge you to be sure and speak to Him. All you have to do is say, "Lord save me"... He will lead you, you will grow, and have know doubt you are saved. He is REAL, He is TANAGABLE!!! Even in a crowed like a restaurant!!!
Water baptism is the necessary "Lord save me" moment of the gospel.

1 Peter 3:21 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

21 And that water is like baptism, which now saves you. Baptism is not the washing of dirt from the body. It is asking God for a clean conscience. It saves you because Jesus Christ was raised from death
It is the moment of the remission of sins, it is the "tangible" moment ordained by scripture.

Acts 2:38 - "be baptized so that your sins will be forgiven"
Acts 22:16 - " arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Mark 16:16 - "whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"
John 3:5 - "no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the spirit"
Acts 8:36 - "Look here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

Just as the Hebrews were to "tangibly" apply the blood to their doorpost, so also are we to have that "tangible" application of a clear conscience.
 

FlSnookman7

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Water baptism is the necessary "Lord save me" moment of the gospel.



It is the moment of the remission of sins, it is the "tangible" moment ordained by scripture.

Acts 2:38 - "be baptized so that your sins will be forgiven"
Acts 22:16 - " arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Mark 16:16 - "whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"
John 3:5 - "no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the spirit"
Acts 8:36 - "Look here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

Just as the Hebrews were to "tangibly" apply the blood to their doorpost, so also are we to have that "tangible" application of a clear conscience.

We are saved by grace through faith.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Amplified
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].
 

DJ2

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We are saved by grace through faith.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Amplified
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].
This verse does not nullify the need for baptism. Grace is the reason we have salvation not the how. If I write a check to a charity strictly out of grace the charity would still have to cash the check to see the benefit of my grace. You are simply presenting the power of salvation as the means to salvation, this is simple error. If we do not obey that which is commanded to obtain the forgiveness of sins then it is our faith that is nullified.

There is no place in the scriptures for the verses that I listed if baptism is not necessary for salvation. Their verbiage is rather clear. To present an abstract concept that Jesus never used as a nullifier of these verses is wrong. Paul words are true but he is writing it to already saved baptized believers.
 
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I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7


But of course, if you had a 100 sheep in the wilderness, what man would leave the 99 unprotected in the wild to go seek one that has probably already been consumed by the predators that are laying in wait :p

Then again, what would the Pharisees and scribes actually know about sheepherding?


Jesus would, as well as all who own live stock and give a crap....

"What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? "When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. "And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!'
 
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Water immersion is not needed for salvation....it is the picture of salvation....all who water down salvation preach a false gospel...

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. <---No immersion mentioned....if it was required it would say so....Most quote Mark 16 and there is evidence that Mark 16 has been added......

Jesus was born the son of God by the spirit of God

Faith plus works
Faith plus law keeping
Faith plus immersion
Faith plus any and all religious hoop jumping

for salvation, to gain salvation, to keep salvation to embellish salvation, to top off salvation are all false gospels with no power to save a flea, much less a man.......
 
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Paul's words as well....

I thank God I immersed (baptized) none of you <---(strange words from an Apostle of the Lord if immersion was required for salvation) as a matter of fact he utterly failed in their case or....IMMERSION is not required for salvation, but rather is a picture of what has already taken place by faith......
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Water immersion is not needed for salvation....it is the picture of salvation....all who water down salvation preach a false gospel...

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. <---No immersion mentioned....if it was required it would say so....Most quote Mark 16 and there is evidence that Mark 16 has been added......

Jesus was born the son of God by the spirit of God

Faith plus works
Faith plus law keeping
Faith plus immersion
Faith plus any and all religious hoop jumping

for salvation, to gain salvation, to keep salvation to embellish salvation, to top off salvation are all false gospels with no power to save a flea, much less a man.......
amen brother...

i pray God opens the eyes of those who seek to establish their own righteousness and refuse to submit to and accept His
 
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i really like what you said. :)
Thanks....it is true...Jesus was clear.....Jesus is the beginner, finisher and completes the work of faith he began in us, we are kept by the power of God through that faith, we are justified by the faith of/in Christ, we have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith, we are sealed unto the day of redemption, he will never leave us or forsake us, we are in HIS hand and in the Father's hand and Paul states clearly that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God revealed in Christ JESUS.
 
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amen brother...

i pray God opens the eyes of those who seek to establish their own righteousness and refuse to submit to and accept His
Amen.....God was clear...when I see the blood I will pass over you....He did not say that when he sees the blood and the water he will pass over us.....watered down blood does not cover nor save......!
 

Zmouth

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Jesus would, as well as all who own live stock and give a crap....
LOL, Mr. MIUAIG. So Jesus would?

But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.John 10:12

Maybe that is why he carried it on his shoulder and called his friends and neighbors and said to them behold the one that I found. Let's eat and tomorrow we will go find the rest of them.



And David rose up early in the morning, and left the sheep with a keeper, and took, and went, as Jesse had commanded him;
1 Sam 17:20

"What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? "When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. "And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!'

I guess you have one of those copyright translations seeing the wilderness is translated as open pasture.

Luke 15:4-6
What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
 
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DJ2

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Water immersion is not needed for salvation....it is the picture of salvation....all who water down salvation preach a false gospel...

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. <---No immersion mentioned....if it was required it would say so....Most quote Mark 16 and there is evidence that Mark 16 has been added......

Jesus was born the son of God by the spirit of God

Faith plus works
Faith plus law keeping
Faith plus immersion
Faith plus any and all religious hoop jumping

for salvation, to gain salvation, to keep salvation to embellish salvation, to top off salvation are all false gospels with no power to save a flea, much less a man.......
Water immersion is not needed for salvation
There are too many scriptures about the need for baptism to take this seriously.

it is the picture of salvation
This concept is not even in the Bible. The picture of salvation?

all who water down salvation preach a false gospel
All who push a salvation void of water and the spirit are preaching a dry and false gospel.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Weak arguments grasp at vague and indirect notions

if it was required it would say so
And if we were saved by faith alone it would say so

.Most quote Mark 16 and there is evidence that Mark 16 has been added......
Having to cast doubt on the validity of the Word of God is an even weaker and shameful defense.

Faith plus works
Faith plus law keeping
Faith plus immersion
Faith plus any and all religious hoop jumping
And Faith plus nothing is dead.

for salvation, to gain salvation, to keep salvation to embellish salvation, to top off salvation are all false gospels with no power to save a flea, much less a man.......
Salvation is the end result of obedience. There is nothing to gain, keep, embellish or top off once we receive the gift of salvation. Your words are but distractions.
 

crossnote

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Hello everyone!

I was baptized at the age of 12. Actually all 4 of us in my family were baptized the same day. Long story short, my reasons for getting baptized back then were split between genuinely wanting to take that step, and simply doing it since I didn't want to be the only person in my family who was not yet baptized. Anyway, I finally told my family about my feelings and I remember my father reading to me the parable of the sheep and the goats. I do not remember very much about that night other than at one point it struck with me so hard that I bawled my eyes out and wailed: "I don't wanna be a goat!"

Honestly, at that moment I was scared I did the wrong thing in getting baptized when I did; however, it seems it was meant to be because I needed to hear that message that struck me so hard that one night. It makes me chuckle to think back on that time now. I'll never forget it, and to this day it's one of my favorite passages in the Bible.

Does anyone else love this passage like I do?

Jenn
Sheep and the goats is about the Judgment of the nations after the tribulation, it doesn't pertain to the Church but to how the nations treated 'one of these the least my brethren' most likely did they help the Jews.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: etc
(Mat 25:31-32)