When will we be raptured?
Personally, I believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation.
One of the reason why I believe the way that I do is my study of what the angels are going to do at the end of time. Let begin by reading,
Revelation Chapter 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
QUESTION? The army of the Lord,
Christians or Angels ?
Personally I believe that the army
are the angels.
Here is why I believe this...I will give you several passages of scriptures for my belief.
Passage # 1
In Matthew Chapter 13, Beginning in verse 24, we read, Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field;
:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth, then appeared the tares also.
:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from when came the tares?
:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
:37 He answered and said unto them,He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire. there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Passage # 2
Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Passage # 3
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Passage # 4
Matthew 25:31...When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:
:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink, I was a stranger, and ye took me in.
:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethern, ye have done it unto me.
:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave no drink,
:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Passage # 5
In all of these passages, Jesus is telling us that he is coming back with his angels.
But you may ask me, What about 1 Thessalonians 3:13, To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
You would say to me that the word saint means christian. And I would say, You're right, but it also can be an angel. And to prove my point, I refer to you,
2Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Notice that in this passage of scripture, Jesus is coming back with his angels, which would implies that the saints in 1 Thessalonians 3:13 will be angels, and not the christians.
Now, Here is the question. If Jesus is coming back for us Christians before the tribulation, than what time frame will he come back with his angels? And why would the angels have to separate the tares from the wheat? Remember, the wheat represents the children of the kingdom. And the wheat was planted by the Lord, himself.
The tares on the other hand repre-sents the children of the evil one. Jesus said that the devil was the one who planted the tares.
Now, if the rapture comes before the tribulation, when will Jesus plant the wheat? The wheat was planted first by the Lord, then the devil came along and planted the tares. And they grew side by side together. And the only way that the reapers (angels) knew the differance between them is because the wheat bears fruit and the tares do not.
And if the Holy Spirit is taken up in the pre-trib rapture as many Christians believe, than how can anyone bear fruit during the time of tribulation?
This is one of many reasons why I believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation and not before.
Written by
Rodney Lee Walker
Published on the internet
02/19/2013.
Personally, I believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation.
One of the reason why I believe the way that I do is my study of what the angels are going to do at the end of time. Let begin by reading,
Revelation Chapter 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
QUESTION? The army of the Lord,
Christians or Angels ?
Personally I believe that the army
are the angels.
Here is why I believe this...I will give you several passages of scriptures for my belief.
Passage # 1
In Matthew Chapter 13, Beginning in verse 24, we read, Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field;
:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth, then appeared the tares also.
:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from when came the tares?
:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
:37 He answered and said unto them,He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire. there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Passage # 2
Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Passage # 3
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Passage # 4
Matthew 25:31...When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:
:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink, I was a stranger, and ye took me in.
:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethern, ye have done it unto me.
:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave no drink,
:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Passage # 5
In all of these passages, Jesus is telling us that he is coming back with his angels.
But you may ask me, What about 1 Thessalonians 3:13, To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
You would say to me that the word saint means christian. And I would say, You're right, but it also can be an angel. And to prove my point, I refer to you,
2Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Notice that in this passage of scripture, Jesus is coming back with his angels, which would implies that the saints in 1 Thessalonians 3:13 will be angels, and not the christians.
Now, Here is the question. If Jesus is coming back for us Christians before the tribulation, than what time frame will he come back with his angels? And why would the angels have to separate the tares from the wheat? Remember, the wheat represents the children of the kingdom. And the wheat was planted by the Lord, himself.
The tares on the other hand repre-sents the children of the evil one. Jesus said that the devil was the one who planted the tares.
Now, if the rapture comes before the tribulation, when will Jesus plant the wheat? The wheat was planted first by the Lord, then the devil came along and planted the tares. And they grew side by side together. And the only way that the reapers (angels) knew the differance between them is because the wheat bears fruit and the tares do not.
And if the Holy Spirit is taken up in the pre-trib rapture as many Christians believe, than how can anyone bear fruit during the time of tribulation?
This is one of many reasons why I believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation and not before.
Written by
Rodney Lee Walker
Published on the internet
02/19/2013.
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