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Note: ibewhoibe has resorted to selectively taking Age's quotes out of context with his posts to engage in ad hominem argumentation acting unsafely with both the word of God and Age's posts damaging Age's reputation and the faith of those who might be swayed by such tactics. Please everyone make a note of it.
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And yes I forgive him for the dirty tactic of pulling part of a post of mine out of context with the rest of all that I have said in this thread and skewing it so badly. Lol... I guess just discussing the topic with me wasn't going well so a desperate measure was needed. Haha... again, I forgive the wrong done. Well it's late here. Time for bed. Peace and God bless all of you and may He lead you into all truth of His Word and may you understand that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles in the context of early Church history is God's will for you not the teachings of cults which came much later. God LOVES YOU!
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Note: "I be", Has only showed AOK, that AOK was engaging in such tactics. Not only to "I Be" and other Christain's debate-ing Scripture, But to Jesus Christ as well, because the post was Jesus telling him "thou knowst", ( Jesus Christ words, Not the words of "I Be")
I guess the dirty tactic "I Be" did was make AOK aware of who all he was talking to.
"I Be"
I guess the dirty tactic "I Be" did was make AOK aware of who all he was talking to.
"I Be"
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hmmmmm, May God forgive us for our ignorance to scripture.
I'll paraphrase now, two disciples come up to Jesus said a man is casting out demons down the road that DOESNT follow us, they rebuked the man and told him to stop.
Jesus made it really clear to them that ""hey back off buddy"", whoever calls on my name is for me not against.(the guy is casting out demons they confessed to Jesus,not that what he was doing was demonic)
Whether we be SDA Methodist Lutheran Catholic Pentecostal Charasmatic etc, we are ONE under Jesus regardless, let Him be the judge. Jesus longest prayer is for unity, what a poor example and disobedience to Jesus' own Word He spoke we set at times by attacking other Christian denominations.
Its not like God looked down today and said whats this??He looks and says"it is written" when denominational, who we follow, not us, questions arise to encourage unity, not division.
Jesus plan has always been and is to unite and love
Devils plan always is and has been to divide
Who do SDA pray to-Jesus
Lutherans-Jesus
even catholics,penetcostals,anglicans,charasmatics-Jesus
sinking in???
Im glad Jesus rebuked His two disciples by His own Word,
LORD Jesus Christ is His name, we call Him Lord and rightfully so.
with love,
knowledge of Jesus,mind of Christ
I'll paraphrase now, two disciples come up to Jesus said a man is casting out demons down the road that DOESNT follow us, they rebuked the man and told him to stop.
Jesus made it really clear to them that ""hey back off buddy"", whoever calls on my name is for me not against.(the guy is casting out demons they confessed to Jesus,not that what he was doing was demonic)
Whether we be SDA Methodist Lutheran Catholic Pentecostal Charasmatic etc, we are ONE under Jesus regardless, let Him be the judge. Jesus longest prayer is for unity, what a poor example and disobedience to Jesus' own Word He spoke we set at times by attacking other Christian denominations.
Its not like God looked down today and said whats this??He looks and says"it is written" when denominational, who we follow, not us, questions arise to encourage unity, not division.
Jesus plan has always been and is to unite and love
Devils plan always is and has been to divide
Who do SDA pray to-Jesus
Lutherans-Jesus
even catholics,penetcostals,anglicans,charasmatics-Jesus
sinking in???
Im glad Jesus rebuked His two disciples by His own Word,
LORD Jesus Christ is His name, we call Him Lord and rightfully so.
with love,
knowledge of Jesus,mind of Christ
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I think if we continued to do the opposite of the 10 commandments we would come into some very serious consequences. So in that sense I would say that we shouldnt err in them, and I would also say that we all err much concerning the 10 commandments. Do we follow other Gods? it is a continual process coming out of relying and trusting in other things "Gods" and coming into full dependance on Him. Do we murder? Any place that we harbour unforgiveness, known or unknown, hate can breed which is murder. I think the law is in us, and its grace that insulates us from it in that we are not destroyed but God can work with us, and as we surrender to Him we become freer, more willing and more obedient, more loving. Because if there is anywhere in us that is not surrendered to Jesus but is still in resistance or opposition to God, it is there that we are still at the mercy of the law and need to come into freedom. Just like divine health was purchased for us, but we dont walk in it fully, i think its the same with grace and freedom, and wholeness. Everything that Christ purchased for us on the cross is ours but we need to appropriate it, and become mature sons, possessing the inheritance.
I am not sure what you are saying here. We follow a higher law than those 10, a better law, because we have a better priest. To follow the 10 is to actually step back into bondage to sin and death, while following Christ, our high priest, we step out of those 10 laws, (which is really only one law,) into freedom. It is wrong to include these (or this) laws in our faith. It limits us in our faith and in our walk in God.
As to appropriating things in Christ, I believe that we are the ones being appropriated by Him. We submit to His will. And there is the difference between the Law and between the commandment of Jesus to love one another. In the Law, we must either do, or not do, while in the new commandment, we receive and walk in what we have received............the Holy Spirit. With the Law, the Holy Spirit was not given. With the new commandment of Jesus, it is with the Holy Spirit that one takes up this commandment, or rather is taken up by the new commandment. It is exactly how Jesus walked in His ministry while here, in the Holy Spirit, fulfilling the commandment of God, to love us even to His death.
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Hi friends,
Here's the verse of the day from your authentic Christian friend Mr. Age of Knowledge:
"14For he himself [Jesus Christ - God the son] is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations." -Ephesians 2:13-15.
Have a great day friends and God bless you and lead you into ALL holiness and truth which is IN Christ Jesus our Lord!
Here's the verse of the day from your authentic Christian friend Mr. Age of Knowledge:
"14For he himself [Jesus Christ - God the son] is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations." -Ephesians 2:13-15.
Have a great day friends and God bless you and lead you into ALL holiness and truth which is IN Christ Jesus our Lord!
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Paul warned the Ephesian elders in Acts 20 that after his departure wolves would come, not sparing the flock. Wolves continue to attack the church today in the guise of false teachers and Judaizers. They cannot penetrate and destroy neither the authentic Christian who understands scripture properly and lives in the fullness of Christ nor the church when it stands together in unity against them.
Stand in unity against the wolves of the offspring of the Millerite Great Disappointment which include the Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventistists. Yet reach out to those naive and misinformed lost sheep caught in the false doctrines.
God bless the authentic Christian who leads the deceived away from the false doctrine of cults.
Stand in unity against the wolves of the offspring of the Millerite Great Disappointment which include the Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventistists. Yet reach out to those naive and misinformed lost sheep caught in the false doctrines.
God bless the authentic Christian who leads the deceived away from the false doctrine of cults.
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Vic,
This is is what that better priest, Jesus Christ says, to ever-one that can hear!
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Thou Knowest)
"I be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
This is is what that better priest, Jesus Christ says, to ever-one that can hear!
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Thou Knowest)
"I be a Disciple of Jesus" "I Be In His Service"
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And who, pray tell, was He talking to? And under what circumstance was He speaking?
You can take any one verse of scripture and make the bible say anything, anything at all.
So I ask you, look at all that I have posted here on this board, and see if once, in even the smallest way, that I have said that we are to do anything that is against the Law. Even the smallest suggestion of this. You will not find it.
And now I will tell you what Jesus was saying in context. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, and when something is fulfilled, it is finished. The Law was given as a covenant, God hoping to gain a people for Himself. The people refused. And so the Law was not fulfilled. But Jesus came, showing a righteousness which is always far above the highest requirements of the Law, and died without have broken the Law, and gained a people for God apart from the Law.
By the revelation of Jesus to the apostle Paul, through the Holy Spirit, Paul wrote this:
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, ' Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them.' Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for , 'The righteous man shall live by faith." But the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, 'He who practices them shall live by them.' Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.;
See how Paul wrote this? It is a, no; the contrast between works and faith. If you need the Law to tell you not to steal or kill or covet then you do not have faith, and you are not living in faith, the faith which says that God came into us and gave us His nature, which needs no law. If you do not have the nature of God, then you need the Law, but it will not help you, because no person can be justified in God's eyes by the works of the Law. The Law, in all of its power, could only restrain a fallen nature, and could not perfect the worshiper allowing him to be able to approach God with a clean conscience. And what does a clean conscience have to do with anything? Well, if your conscience is stained with sin, even though you may have not committed any sin in action, because of your fallen nature you have sinned in your heart, thus a stained conscience, unable to endure in God's presence. And God presence is grace, which we are saved by. So this leaves you in a real dilemma. I was in this dilemma, and I was lost and caught in all kinds of sin, but God in His mercy delivered me from this trap.
You can take any one verse of scripture and make the bible say anything, anything at all.
So I ask you, look at all that I have posted here on this board, and see if once, in even the smallest way, that I have said that we are to do anything that is against the Law. Even the smallest suggestion of this. You will not find it.
And now I will tell you what Jesus was saying in context. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, and when something is fulfilled, it is finished. The Law was given as a covenant, God hoping to gain a people for Himself. The people refused. And so the Law was not fulfilled. But Jesus came, showing a righteousness which is always far above the highest requirements of the Law, and died without have broken the Law, and gained a people for God apart from the Law.
By the revelation of Jesus to the apostle Paul, through the Holy Spirit, Paul wrote this:
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, ' Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them.' Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for , 'The righteous man shall live by faith." But the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, 'He who practices them shall live by them.' Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.;
See how Paul wrote this? It is a, no; the contrast between works and faith. If you need the Law to tell you not to steal or kill or covet then you do not have faith, and you are not living in faith, the faith which says that God came into us and gave us His nature, which needs no law. If you do not have the nature of God, then you need the Law, but it will not help you, because no person can be justified in God's eyes by the works of the Law. The Law, in all of its power, could only restrain a fallen nature, and could not perfect the worshiper allowing him to be able to approach God with a clean conscience. And what does a clean conscience have to do with anything? Well, if your conscience is stained with sin, even though you may have not committed any sin in action, because of your fallen nature you have sinned in your heart, thus a stained conscience, unable to endure in God's presence. And God presence is grace, which we are saved by. So this leaves you in a real dilemma. I was in this dilemma, and I was lost and caught in all kinds of sin, but God in His mercy delivered me from this trap.
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Matthew 5:19 is often ignorantly used by Seventh Day Adventists though they fall under it for teaching false doctrine themselves.
Matthew 5:17-19; Too Slender of a Reed to Support Seventh-Day Sabbatarianism
What's happening here is that Jewish teachers said that one “abolished” the law by disobeying it (cf. Deut 27:26), because one thereby rejected its authority. Such highhanded rebellion against the law—as opposed to particular sins—warranted social and spiritual expulsion from the Jewish community. The charge of openly persuading others that the law was no longer in force would be even worse at that time since Jesus had not yet died and been resurrected establishing the New Covenant once and for all. Jesus himself stated that he opposed not the law but an illegitimate interpretation of it that stressed regulations more than character.
Jesus refers here to the yod, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet. See rabbis told the story that when God changed Sarai’s name to Sarah, the yod that was removed complained to God for generations till he reinserted it, this time in Joshua’s name. Jewish teachers used illustrations like this to make the point that the law was sacred and one could not regard any part as too small to be worth keeping. But later rabbis decided that the greatest commandment was honoring one’s father and mother, and the least, respecting a mother bird; they reasoned that both merited the same reward, eternal life (based on “life” in Ex 20:12; Deut 22:7).
A modern reader might ask, What happens to the person who breaks one and keeps another? But such a question misses the point of this hyperbolic language which other Jewish teachers also typically used to say, “God will hold accountable anyone who disregards even the smallest commandment.” The Pharisees were the most respected religious people of the day, and the scribes the supreme experts in the law (especially, no doubt, the Pharisaic scribes).
Verses 21–48 show what Jesus’ demand for a “higher” righteousness involves and it's not practicing the Law of Moses according to the Seventh Day Adventists or the JWs or any other modern cult.
The Pharisees also stressed the right intention of the heart (kavanah); Jesus’ criticizes not their doctrine but their hearts as religious people. Religious communities led by Pharisaic teachers may have also been opponents of Jewish Christians in Syria-Palestine in Matthew’s day, giving Matthew additional incentive to record these words.
The Judaizer takes Matthew 5:19 and tries to force people into the bondage of the Law of Moses which is part of the Old Covenant God had with the Nation of Israel. We are under a New Covenant now
"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." -Romans 10:4
According to Matthew 5:17–18, the witness of the Gospels and the earliest Christian preaching, Jesus “fulfilled the law” in his life, death and resurrection. He is declared as the fulfillment of Scripture. In him, the purposes of God are accomplished.
This general conviction is undergirded by the authoritative, sovereign way in which Jesus deals with specific and limiting dimensions of the law and sets his mission on a level of significance above the law.
Thus, laws of separation between clean and unclean, of ceremonial defilement, of sabbath observance are set aside in the pursuit of his ministry to sinners and ritually (ceremonially) “unclean” persons.
“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,” he said (Mt 11:13; Lk 16:16), indicating that a new reality, the messianic kingship, had entered the scene and was replacing the old order (Mk 1:15).
And it is grand !!!
Matthew 5:17-19; Too Slender of a Reed to Support Seventh-Day Sabbatarianism
What's happening here is that Jewish teachers said that one “abolished” the law by disobeying it (cf. Deut 27:26), because one thereby rejected its authority. Such highhanded rebellion against the law—as opposed to particular sins—warranted social and spiritual expulsion from the Jewish community. The charge of openly persuading others that the law was no longer in force would be even worse at that time since Jesus had not yet died and been resurrected establishing the New Covenant once and for all. Jesus himself stated that he opposed not the law but an illegitimate interpretation of it that stressed regulations more than character.
Jesus refers here to the yod, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet. See rabbis told the story that when God changed Sarai’s name to Sarah, the yod that was removed complained to God for generations till he reinserted it, this time in Joshua’s name. Jewish teachers used illustrations like this to make the point that the law was sacred and one could not regard any part as too small to be worth keeping. But later rabbis decided that the greatest commandment was honoring one’s father and mother, and the least, respecting a mother bird; they reasoned that both merited the same reward, eternal life (based on “life” in Ex 20:12; Deut 22:7).
A modern reader might ask, What happens to the person who breaks one and keeps another? But such a question misses the point of this hyperbolic language which other Jewish teachers also typically used to say, “God will hold accountable anyone who disregards even the smallest commandment.” The Pharisees were the most respected religious people of the day, and the scribes the supreme experts in the law (especially, no doubt, the Pharisaic scribes).
Verses 21–48 show what Jesus’ demand for a “higher” righteousness involves and it's not practicing the Law of Moses according to the Seventh Day Adventists or the JWs or any other modern cult.
The Pharisees also stressed the right intention of the heart (kavanah); Jesus’ criticizes not their doctrine but their hearts as religious people. Religious communities led by Pharisaic teachers may have also been opponents of Jewish Christians in Syria-Palestine in Matthew’s day, giving Matthew additional incentive to record these words.
The Judaizer takes Matthew 5:19 and tries to force people into the bondage of the Law of Moses which is part of the Old Covenant God had with the Nation of Israel. We are under a New Covenant now
"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." -Romans 10:4
According to Matthew 5:17–18, the witness of the Gospels and the earliest Christian preaching, Jesus “fulfilled the law” in his life, death and resurrection. He is declared as the fulfillment of Scripture. In him, the purposes of God are accomplished.
This general conviction is undergirded by the authoritative, sovereign way in which Jesus deals with specific and limiting dimensions of the law and sets his mission on a level of significance above the law.
Thus, laws of separation between clean and unclean, of ceremonial defilement, of sabbath observance are set aside in the pursuit of his ministry to sinners and ritually (ceremonially) “unclean” persons.
“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,” he said (Mt 11:13; Lk 16:16), indicating that a new reality, the messianic kingship, had entered the scene and was replacing the old order (Mk 1:15).
And it is grand
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Do people realize that the Gospel is Jesus and Him crucified, and vice versa ? The gospel is the Word, and the Word is Jesus Christ. "hence we have it said, The Word was made flehs,. and that Word is Jesus Christ. Its as simple as that. The hour is late, And I am amazed at the amount of time that Christians waste debating the Bible. Its to believe or not believe.The scripture talks about those ' Ever learning, but never coming to the knowledge of truth. There are so many people suffering for their 'faith', we ought to be praying for them , like the scripture says. 'To pray for those that remain and are about to die'. Are we doing such. Apart from my immediate family I have yet to meet a christian who have read that verse in the bible. What a shame..A bigger shame.We have some 250, 000 chruches in America, yet we cant get prayer back in the schools. Why, everybody is seeking 'things' instead of the 'mind of Christ the things pleasing to God The scripture says. one can chase a thousand, could you imagine what 1/4 million praying people, can do ? People who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, should not call themselves Jews but are called 'children of Satan. Check Rev 20, 21, 22. I am tired of boring repetitive sermons. I have seen m ymom who had to dropped out of school at age 14, and is now 84 years old, preach a simple message in 15 minutes, and have hardened crimminals and drug dealers accepting Christ in tears on the street corner,and not 'backslide'. Folks need to travel out and see how others suffer for their faith, then we will realize, that most of us as just . 'jokers, who cant even see whats happening, let alone ' know whats going on' have a good night, all
lee, in Florida..
lee, in Florida..