Do you believe Jesus is God?

[BananaPie]

Do you believe Jesus is God as in Deity, but not the Father Himself?
If you don't believe, why not?

I believe Jesus is the Son of God; I believe Jesus is God.
Colossian 2:9

What say you?

[Saint]

I 100% believe that Jesus is God. and my reasoning is on the thread "perfect"

[SantoSubito]

I firmly believe that Jesus is God. Anyone that tries to assert that Jesus is some kind of lesser deity is espousing Arianism.

[resurrection33]

Originally Posted by BananaPie

Do you believe Jesus is God as in Deity, but not the Father Himself?
If you don't believe, why not?

I believe Jesus is the Son of God; I believe Jesus is God.
Colossian 2:9

What say you?

I believe God decided to come to earth as a man. When he did so, he became Jesus.

The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
John 10:24-30 NIV

He didn't say "I and the Father are AS one."

So to answer the OP's question, Yes.

[resurrection33]

Originally Posted by quidni

The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
John 10:24-30 NIV

He didn't say "I and the Father are AS one."

So to answer the OP's question, Yes.

“I and the Father are one.”

That is very helpful.

I know and confess that Jesus Christ is both Lord and God. I also confess my belief in the Triune nature of God, three persons in eternal unity.

[forerunner]

Originally Posted by resurrection33

I believe God decided to come to earth as a man. When he did so, he became Jesus.

Me too!!!!

[Saint]

i kind of wish this was a poll. oh, and to quidni, i agree, and 1 John also says that the Father, Word and Holy Spirit are one, not as one.

[lightbliss]

I agree as well.

When I think of God, I always think of the OT. The way He was with Israel and the surrounding nations. How He showed favor to those that followed His commandments and destroyed those that didn't.

With Jesus, He has compassion towards the sinner (people in general). He shows us what real love is. Most importantly, we have received salvation from Him.

In no way am I saying that God is a big meanie nor that Jesus is insipid.

While God is wrathful He is love. And Jesus loving He is infinite.

So to me, they share the same qualities yet are multifaceted.

[serpentslayer]

HERE, HERE, i agree! This is the most unifying THREAD i have read.
GOD BLESS ALL.

[Cleante]

The distinctive characteristic of the first person, the Father, in the Holy Trinity is his Father-hood. His source lies solely in Himself and not in any other person. This is unlike the two persons of the Holy Trinity. The Son's, IC XC, distinctive characteristic is his Son-ship. Although XC is co-eternal and equal with the Father, He is not unbegotten or sourceless. His source and origin lies in the Father, from whom He is begotten or born from all eternity. The third person's, the Holy Spirit, distinctive characteristic is Procession. Just like the Son, the Holy Spirit finds His source and origin in the Father. But His relationship to the Father is different from that of the Son. The Holy Spirit is not begotten but from all eternity He proceeds from the Father. [This is where the Filioque controversy comes into play.]

It is important not to impair the balance between the three distinctive persons and the shared essence. There is one God because there is one Father, both XC and the Holy Spirit trace their origin and source to Him. The other two persons are described in terms of their relation to the Father. Since the Father is the sole source of being in the Holy Trinity, the Father constitutes in this way the ground of unity for the Godehead as a whole.

[VW]

YES! YES! YES!

because I needed to have at least 10 characters in order to post, here are 12.

vic

[Saint]

Originally Posted by serpentslayer

HERE, HERE, i agree! This is the most unifying THREAD i have read.
GOD BLESS ALL.

To unification! we shall forever call today: unification day!

Originally Posted by resurrection33

I believe God decided to come to earth as a man. When he did so, he became Jesus.

Hi resurrection,
If you believe eg Colissians 1:15 " He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supermacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him and to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

If you believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotton Son of God and is the firstborn over all creation then surely you believe that the Son existed from the beginning of creation.
If you believe this then why did the Son stay in the heavenly realms while the Father came to earth as a man.

Personally I think you are just arrogrant very very arrogrant. The Son of God is not good enough for you. You need God and won't and don't accept the Son, who is before all things and through whom the world was created. How very sad for you because without the Son, whom you reject, you have nothing.
I am very sad
Jesus Christ the Son of God is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, is God a priest in this order too?
God is the head of the Son, Jesus Christ, and the Son is the head of man and the man is the head of woman.
IF God is the head of the Son, you dont have a son, just a body prepared for the Son. because that Body is to you, God. To you God is the head of God.
The Son is an heir. If you believe God came down to earth and left the Son in heaven then God is an heir to God. Or are you splitting Jesus Christ into two?
The Son is our advocate, but you have God as your advocate, or are you claiming the body prepared for the Son is your advocate?
The Son of God begotton before the world began, called us brothers, and co-heirs. You say it was God who came down and now claim to be brothers to God.

Quite frankly, for you to believe such rubbish leaves me numb speechless and very sad.
love
edwin.

[Saint]

Originally Posted by ed

Personally I think you are just arrogrant very very arrogrant. The Son of God is not good enough for you. You need God and won't and don't accept the Son, who is before all things and through whom the world was created. How very sad for you because without the Son, whom you reject, you have nothing.

What ever happened to the civilized ed i've known and love? now i'm sad. Regardless, if you guys want to hear ed's, vw's, ageofknowledges, and my arguments, then head on over to the thread "perfect" because we've already had this discussion, and to do it again with the exact same arguments would be repetitve and redundant. not to mention monotonous.

Originally Posted by Saint

What ever happened to the civilized ed i've known and love? now i'm sad. Regardless, if you guys want to hear ed's, vw's, ageofknowledges, and my arguments, then head on over to the thread "perfect" because we've already had this discussion, and to do it again with the exact same arguments would be repetitve and redundant. not to mention monotonous.

Hi Saint,
The civilized ed is totally frustrated. I can only believe the reason you, (meaning the people who believe it was God in the flesh) cant see is because 1) nothing less than the best (God Himself) is good enough for you. or 2) your eyes have been closed.
It defies all logic that you don't believe plain scripture. The word was made flesh. (Yes I totally agree that the Son and the Father are One, of one heart and one mind and they live in each other as we will also. but we can not go directly to God. If we could then the Word, manifested in the flesh as Jesus Christ would not be necessary. The Son, the Word, manifested in Jesus Christ, is our path to God. Satan loves to twist the truth. It is only earthly wisdom or satan which makes the false claim--" psst listen it is really God in the flesh trying to trick us. Don't believe the Son, the Word came. You are important, you need the best. It is God who came for you."""
It is such thought that takes the Son out of your belief.
love
ed

[Saint]

Originally Posted by ed

Hi Saint,
The civilized ed is totally frustrated. I can only believe the reason you, (meaning the people who believe it was God in the flesh) cant see is because 1) nothing less than the best (God Himself) is good enough for you. or 2) your eyes have been closed.
It defies all logic that you don't believe plain scripture. The word was made flesh. (Yes I totally agree that the Son and the Father are One, of one heart and one mind and they live in each other as we will also. but we can not go directly to God. If we could then the Word, manifested in the flesh as Jesus Christ would not be necessary. The Son, the Word, manifested in Jesus Christ, is our path to God. Satan loves to twist the truth. It is only earthly wisdom or satan which makes the false claim--" psst listen it is really God in the flesh trying to trick us. Don't believe the Son, the Word came. You are important, you need the best. It is God who came for you."""
It is such thought that takes the Son out of your belief.
love
ed

well i'm sorry to hear that, but look at it from our perspective: to us, we think that you are ignoring plain scripture. but there is no need to be frustrated, and the more uncivil the post, the more frustrated everyone else will become, and in turn make uncivil threads, which will make you more frustrated. i've seen it happen and it gets out of control very quickly. but i will pray for the both of us, and all of them, so that we can all receive the wisdom and truth that is in the Holy Spirit.

Originally Posted by Saint

well i'm sorry to hear that, but look at it from our perspective: to us, we think that you are ignoring plain scripture. but there is no need to be frustrated, and the more uncivil the post, the more frustrated everyone else will become, and in turn make uncivil threads, which will make you more frustrated. i've seen it happen and it gets out of control very quickly. but i will pray for the both of us, and all of them, so that we can all receive the wisdom and truth that is in the Holy Spirit.

Hi Saint,
I lay before you my belief. Please tell me where I am wrong, according to scripture.

I believe in God. I believe that God made the world through His Son. God spoke the world into being. The Word is His Son. The Word is from the beginning to the end so that all things might be in him. The Word became flesh, into the body prepared for him, born of Mary, called Jesus Christ. The Word became flesh. The Word was named Jesus Christ. He is our righteousness. We still sin but our sins are not counted against us because our Holy Father sees the sinless Son. I am God's workmanship in Jesus Christ . God is the head of Jesus Christ who is the head of man who in turn is the head of woman. In Jesus Christ we are being perfected by a renewing of our hearts and minds. We are all one, because we are able to live in Jesus Christ who lives in God .
love
edwin.

Please cant you see that the Son was made flesh, the Word. If you can not see this how can you have the Son. You are back in old testament times dealing directly with God.

Originally Posted by ed

Hi Saint,
I lay before you my belief. Please tell me where I am wrong, according to scripture.

I believe in God. I believe that God made the world through His Son. God spoke the world into being. The Word is His Son. The Word is from the beginning to the end so that all things might be in him. The Word became flesh, into the body prepared for him, born of Mary, called Jesus Christ. The Word became flesh. The Word was named Jesus Christ. He is our righteousness. We still sin but our sins are not counted against us because our Holy Father sees the sinless Son. I am God's workmanship in Jesus Christ . God is the head of Jesus Christ who is the head of man who in turn is the head of woman. In Jesus Christ we are being perfected by a renewing of our hearts and minds. We are all one, because we are able to live in Jesus Christ who lives in God .
love
edwin.

Please cant you see that the Son was made flesh, the Word. If you can not see this how can you have the Son. You are back in old testament times dealing directly with God.

I don't think that the problem is with the Word being made flesh or that the Son and the Father are two different persons. I think my disagreement with you is this, that you have said that Jesus became God.