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God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17 13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28 14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15 God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33 15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19 God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5 17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9 God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12 18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39 God forbids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31 19. God tempts men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13 God tempts no man James 1:13 20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18 God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9 21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7 Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21 22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20 God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28 23. There is but one God Deut 6:4 There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7 |
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Well, from my perspective, you're approaching things wrong. Christianity is not a bible based religion. The bible is in fact based on the Christian religion. Without reading the bible in its proper context, you'll run into all sorts of contradictions.
Add in the cherry-picking of verses and you'll have more issues. I mean, just look at the very first two verses. Who's works are we talking about in Gen 1? And who's were being discussed in Gen 6? When you take the bible outside of the context it was meant to be understood, you have confusion.
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Again, you give evidence that you aren't an honest seeker but a quote-miner.
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Again... I think my 7 year old nephew could grasp that. He understands that if at some earlier time I am proud of his actions it's not a contradiction for me to not be proud of his actions once he does something wrong. He doesn't get puzzled and scratch his head wondering "Wait a minute! How can you be satisfied AND dissatisfied with me??" Such facile attempts to place doubt upon Christian are really just a waste of time. There have been books written that attempt to address all of the alleged contradictions in the Bible, if you honestly want answers you can consult one of those books (try Hard Sayings in the Bible). Obviously you went through the trouble of finding a list of contradictions on the internet and then pasting them into this forum, so you should be willing, if your honest, to do a google search on "answers to Bible contradictions" and see for yourself. |
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Check out this post in my blog, I deal with this exact issue! There is also a website in there that goes through all 143 "controversial" verses in the Bible that some people mistake for contradictions. It shows that these "contradictions" were all taken out of contexts and manipulated (some of the verses used different translations in order to make them appear contradictory). Once you read what that website has to say and do your research you will see that there are in fact no contradictions in the Bible. That's what makes it such an amazing supernatural book, only God is capable of preserving His word like that.
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The OT is a book of history and accounts. It records the introduction of sin, which in your contradictions is proof that God can hear and see the believer, but when you are living in sin God can only wait for you to approach Him. His rejection of burnt offerings, such as Cain and many others came do to the fact, they gave the least they could give and with defects, in this they were showing little respect or appreciation for Gods blessings in their lives, so there fore He rejected the sacrifices and offerings. The NT is the introduction to Christianity. Paul introduced it after his conversion on the road to Damascus. The contridictions you mentioned if you read the paragraphs, will almost everytime have sin involved which is a blockade in the relationship between humanity and God. Just keep praying each day for understanding of God's word and it will come to you. Some text you have to realize is literal and others liteurary, meaning we read as the people would have at that point in time.
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Sandstorm thank you very much for the information instead of the name calling and charactor assasinination I'm receiving from others simply for asking questions. I look forward to reading up on this and speaking with you further if that is agreeable to you. Again thanks.
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Now, I'm not exactly trying to "call you out" on being dishonest, I'm simply pointing to some evidence that suggests your "questions" are just masked attacks. This is evidenced by the fact that you appear to have pasted a list of contradictions from the internet (indicated by the different font). But if you are capable of finding a list of contradictions on the internet then you are just as capable of finding a list of answers to these "contradictions". I just typed in "answer to Bible contradictions" on google and found seven excellent sites that do this very thing. Now, if you really wanted to know the answers to these contradictions, did you think it would be quickest of feasible for you to post around 100 verses and 50 points for us to try and answer?? I have a very hard time believing that. It's also indicated by your blatant misreading of Judges that I pointed out in the other thread (assuming you did read the passage). |
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Nonsense, there were Christians before the letters of Paul and even before the gospels were written. The canon of the Scripture wasn't finalized until a Church council did it.
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It is also important to note that the bible was written to men, who are prone to mistakes. There were no printing presses in antiquity and the bible had to be copied by hand. These well-meaning scholars, made changes to clarify certain things and some not so well meaning scholars changed things to support their doctrines. This is fact. If you read any biblical papyri you will find scholars writing comments in the margins of the papyri or correcting mistakes, etc.
Are there contradictions in the bible? Yes there are. Do they in any way invalidate the faith? No they do not. One of my favorite discrepancies in the bible is the Gospel according to St. John the Apostle. I'd like to consider myself an amateur Johanine scholar, whether or not that holds any water is debatable. In IC's Farewell Discourse to his disciples at his last meal with him, which takes up John Chapters 13 through 17, is where we find this discrepancy. In John 13:36 Peter says to IC, "Lord where are you going?" Then Thomas says in John 14:5, "Lord, we do not know where you are going." Moments later, during the same meal, IC "scolds" his disciples by saying, "Now I am going to the one who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' " This is in John 16:5. I laughed when I realized this. Either Jesus had poor hearing or a very short attention span, or parts of the last meal were added in by later authors. We have seen additions in the Gospel of John in the beginning with the Hymn to the Logos.
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II. THE COMFORTING OF THE DISCIPLES BY THE LORD (vv. 5-7) A. The Selfishness of the Disciples (vv. 5-6) "Now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Where goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. " Christ was grieved because He clearly saw the selfishness of His disciples. Apparently their only concern was how Christ's going away affected them. They don't seem concerned about how Christ will be affected by His return to the Father. Instead they were mumbling about their own problems. In John 14:28 Jesus says, "If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father. " Rather than rejoicing over Christ's return to the Father, the disciples appeared disinterested. 1. Established Nevertheless there is an apparent contradiction: In John 13:36 Peter asks, "Lord, where goest thou?" And in 14:5 Thomas says, "Lord, we know not where thou goest; and how can we know the way?" So why did Jesus say, "None of you asketh me, Where goest thou (John 16:5)?" Apparently when the disciples asked, "Lord, where are you going?" they did so because they wanted to know if they were going with Him. Peter said, "Lord, why cannot I follow thee now?" (John 13:37). He wanted to go with Christ even if he had to die. But when Jesus told them in chapter 16 that they would be staying, no one bothered to ask where He would be going because it didn't involve them. When the disciples thought they were going with Christ, they were eager to find out where. But when Christ said that He was leaving and that they would have to face the hostility of the world, the disciples were concerned about themselves, not Christ. So in chapter 13 they weren't asking to know what going away meant to Jesus. They were asking be cause they thought it involved them. They were selfish. They saw only their own sorrow. Yet we are not any different. We are most concerned about the things that affect our own lives. Some never learn to step outside their private world and praise Christ, endeavoring to look at things from His perspective. 2. Extracted However the disciples didn't remain self-centered. Luke 24:50- 53 says that the resurrected Christ "led them out as far as to Bethany; and he lifted up his hands and blessed them. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshiped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy; and were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. " Jesus was gone, yet His followers continued to praise Him. They were changed because their faith had been strengthened by Christ's death and resurrection. Last edited by sandstorm7; July 16th, 2010 at 02:01 PM. |
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not a one of those contradict each other! etc.(s) the first one was about all was good then all was bad well sin had come into the world and therefore made stuff bad... when he said all he had made was good at first it was then some time had passed and things change with time. sin came into the world and made it bad God did not make sin either he just allowed it to happen becuz we have a free will. Another one is the second one God dwells in the temples of our hearts!!! not in man made structures!!! in the first verse he was talking about us ppls!! in the second temples. you may hear ppl say in church isnt it great to be in the temple of God or i feel Gods presence here God is everywhere and he inhabits the the temple of us ppl so if where in the building so is God!
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Those are not contradictions if you understand the Bible.
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ(1 Corinthians 2:9-16). You are a natural man.If you claim to be a Christian you are still a natural man.Not everybody that claims to be a Christian is spiritual. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity(Matthew 7:21-23). Matt |
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There are no actual contradictions in God's Word... just those manufactured by people that either don't understand it properly or purposefully frame scripture out of context so as to resist it.
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But not before God God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 God was satisfied with His works when they were perfect, then when they became corrupt, they were not satisfying. I believe that is pretty obvious. 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 God does not dwell in just one place. If you actually read Acts 7:48, you'll see what i'm talking about, God may have put His presence in those temples, but He's not restricted. 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 Again, God is not restricted to any one place. Look at Psalm 139:8- If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. for an example. 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 John 5:37 should be thrown out, because right after Jesus tells them that they have never seen or heard God, He tells them, in the very next verse, that it's because they don't believe in Him. And as for the other bottom three, all they tell us is that you can't see God's true form, which doesn't mean that you can't see His back (Exodus 33:23) or that you can't see Him if He has a mask, like when Him and Jacob wrestled around. 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 Yet another one taken out of context. Of course God rested on the 7th day! But did you notice that it wasn't because He was tired, it was because He wanted to admire His creation. And, in resting that day, He was actually doing something: creating the Sabbath day. and Isaiah 40:28 doesn't say that He doesn't rest, it says that He doesn't get tired. And He didn't. 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 Well, as for the first 2, all God is doing is descending, that doesn't even mean anything at all. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's inaccurate, it's like saying the air is coming down the vents, well, if you turn off the vent, that doesn't mean i'm going to sufficate from lack of air. And as For Genises 3:8, well look at it like this: God does the same thing to us every time we sin. instead of popping up in front of us every time, He persues us, and makes us come to Him. Why? because it's our choice, it's always been our choice. 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 God tests everyone, not just those people. Let me ask you this: if God told you, "you don't believe in Me" what would be the first thing you would tell Him? "Let me prove myself, Lord."and that is exactly why He gives us these tests, so that we have no way to say that He didn't even give us a chance 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 Really? just because God was there, doesn't mean that victory is going to happen. Shoot, God has let men die because one person sinned in camp, and so they couldn't beat a small army. 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 Well, all of those where God changes are times where He is either punishing or rewarding. It's like when you promise your son a toy, and then later he yells and makes a big mess, and then you take the toy from him as punishment. As for the other, God told His people that He would help them if they cried out to Him, so I think if He didn't help He would have changed. 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 as for Genesis, that's not unfair. as for exodus, that's unfair, but only if misread. You see, look a verse or 2 after that. It says that if you love Him, you will be shown goodness for a thousand generations, so that means that the people He was talking about in 20:5 didn't love God, but if one of the kids were to start loving God, then everything would be OK. In the old testiment, God punished everyone who didn't love Him. 11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 Oh my Gosh! you can't be serious with Lam 3:38, can you? look a few verses back, and it says that He doesn't willingly bring grief, and look ONE vers forward and you see that He was talking about PUNISHING FOR SINS. and as for Jer 18:11, same thing, punishment for evil, and as for Is 45:7 God was saying that He can do all things, and yes, it's talking about punishing, again. and Amos? last time i checked, disasters aren't evil, but they usually are used as PUNISHMENT to destroy evil. And ezekiel? ONE VERSE yes, ONE VERSE behind that one tells the reason, because they did not obey His other commands. 12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17 none of those have anything to do with God not giving to those who ask, so why are they there? 13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28 Again, please read more than just one verse. 4 verses before this one, God says, "because you have rejected me..." So yeah, God will stay away from those who reject Him. Deal with it. 14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15 God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33 2 different covenents. There is almost no mercy in the Old Testiment, because the final sacrifice hadn't been given. There was little room for mercy. It's like the Justice vs Mercy paradigm, where the OT is nothing but Justice and the NT is nothing but mercy. 15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19 God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 This one is quite simple, when people are against God, at least in the OT, He goes against them, and nothing will stop Him. This changes in the NT. The people God destroys in those examples are evil, and at one time has already attacked israel, and the last one, well God told them not to go into the Ark, but they didn't listen. and plus, God has 7 Spirits, so it's not like He's limited to one type of thought. 16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5 Again, there are several different covenents, some of which God is angrier then others. In each one, God becomes more merciful and less vengeful. But I thing in those situations it is God's punishments that are long and will last forever. 17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9 God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12 Jer 7:22 agrees with sacrifices, if you'd only read one verse before. 6:20 applies only to a people who refused to listen to God's will. and Ps 50:13,14 doesn't go against sacrifices. And actually, 14 commands that they give thank sacrifices, so i'm not sure why that's there. Is 1:11-13-again, this is an unholy nation trying with too little too late. 18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39 God forbids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31 in the first, there wasn't a sacrifice, just a fancy execution of the descendents of evil. Gen22:2, God had no intention of a sacrifice. and Jusdg 11:30-39, That guy made a promise. a bad promise, but a promise none the less. She consented. and it never says that God was happy with it, like it usually does after a good sacrifice. 19. God tempts men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13 God tempts no man James 1:13 Gen 22, that wasn't temptation, neither was 2sam, but I see where you're coming from in Jer, but honestly, that was jer just complaining about his rough life, nothing literal about it. If it was, he'd be dead, because if God was going to overpower someone, it wouldn't leave much left. Matt 6:13 never says that God tempts them, and it was most likely refering to putting them in a situation where they would be tempted, because the second half says but deliver us from the evil one, and that but is saying take the other option, and therefore those 2 options are opposites. 20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18 God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9 Hebrews 6:18 was talking about promises, and God can help lies out if it is for the better good. For instance, see 2 Kings 6, where He saved a city and His prophet by helping his Elija lie. 21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7 Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21 I think you're missing a very big thing that happened, God just killed the planet, save for a family. God was saying that the ground wouldn't be cursed anymore (probably refering to that really big drought they had) and also said that He wouldn't flood the planet. That doesn't mean that God won't destroy us some other way. 22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20 God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28 All that says on those last 2 is that God can't be fully understood, just because you understand some things, doesn't mean you understand all things. 23. There is but one God Deut 6:4 There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7 This gets into the subject of the trinity
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