Zechariah 5: the woman in the ephah

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Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. 6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.


this is a fascinating study: anyone interested?
z

Perhaps a comparison to the harlot of Revelation?

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Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

Perhaps a comparison to the harlot of Revelation?

hi charisenexcelcis!
thanks for being interested!

i believe you are correct. in fact, i think this is her presicely. let me go through it and see what you think. not trying to tell you anything you don't know, just looking at this closely to see what we might glean. thanks!

first, this passge in context is a series of revelations given to Zechariah from JERUSALEM.

Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. 6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.


6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth

an ephah is a commercial measure, like a bushel or basket for grain, etc.

He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

this commerical measure, or system will be THE SAME throughout the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead

lead is pretty serious stuff. nothing gets through it.

and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

women are often used as analogies for religions and/or peoples (Israel and Judah are called harlot sisters).

so, we have a "woman", sitting inside a commercial measure, one that will be worldwide.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

so the woman is described as wickedness!
we have wickedness, a "woman" in Jerusalem, being loaded into what will become a worldwide commercial measure.
we know God has described the Great City Jerusalem as an harlot (obviously a geogrphical place in itself can not be an harlot).
a "woman" can only be considered an harlot by God if she commits adultery against Him.
in order to do that, she had to be betrothed, or dedicated to him in some way.

And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

so the wickedness (woman/harlot) is cast into the commercial system, and sealed inside by lead, meaning there will nothing getting in or out to alter God's decree. this harlot and her wickedness, inside the commercial system will remain that way until God's judgment.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

here are two more women, with wind in their wings: their flight will be swift and unstoppable. the wings of a stork denote strength and power in flight, but the stork is also considered an unclean bird.

they lift up the wickedness of the woman and her commercial system between the earth and the heaven. this is interesting in that it is stated in this way at all: does it mean this woman and her system are neither natural or acceptable to man or heaven?

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

where are they taking her and her system, he asks?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

WOW!
so they are taking her and her system to BABYLON!
and there they will build her a house, her own house.
this wicked woman and her commercialism is going from Jerusalem to Babylon where it will ESTABLISH a system which will cover the whole earth!
and her house shall be established. not just a temporary thing...

and set there upon her own base.

so she is going to be set there, upon her OWN BASE. nothing whatsoever to do with God. this wicked woman will establish HER OWN RELIGION and COMMERCIAL system that is HER OWN. not of God.

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a little research into what was established in Babylon by mixing the things of God with the things of Babylon (making the things of God of none effect) allows us to look through the lens of Scripture to see this woman and her system now, as God showed Zechariah, fully ESTABLISHED and covering the whole earth.

all nations have drunk of this system.

the entire world is now in the clutches of the "wickedness" of the woman and her commercial system.

i won't go to Revelation just yet to look at MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

i'll just note that we see here she is the MOTHER of harlots. i believe Rome is indeed a wicked harlot, but she is just a daughter of the Babylon the Great, the Mother.

thanks Char.
what do you think?
care to have a go at Revelation? am interested to know what you think.
i am no mathematician or economist, but i know we operate under the babylonian system of 6's.

love z.

I find it interesting that the description of the Great Harlot in Revelation is mostly economic. I believe that wealth is the god of this present world. It has invaded every aspect of our lives and now is infiltrating the church. I fear prosparity preachers, not because they are particularly evil, but because the people of God are becoming accustomed to the gospel of greed.

Frighteningly so. I was asked if i would be interested in singing to cater to everyone so the church would grow (funds inspired)....ahhhhh NO! I will sing the songs each week that the Holy Spirit brings to mind and leave God to build His church! I believe as a worship leader if i go straight to God with my praise then Ive accomplished what God has called me to do.
On to the post lol.....I have been here when we had a prophetic message bought to our church and the speaker called it civil evils......I dont have notes i wrote down but i will be back to this post when I do, this is how i like to study, take a story, expound it, glean from it...awesome! best post ive seen in a while! Btw - the message had come at a time where we were purchasing the nightclub in town and about to move house.

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Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

I find it interesting that the description of the Great Harlot in Revelation is mostly economic. I believe that wealth is the god of this present world. It has invaded every aspect of our lives and now is infiltrating the church. I fear prosparity preachers, not because they are particularly evil, but because the people of God are becoming accustomed to the gospel of greed.

the Great Harlot's system is both Religious and Economic.

recall she rides the Beast she has cooperated with and thinks she controls.

Revelation 13:11-18
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

as we find ourselves in the wicked woman's Babylonian commercial system, (NEARLY NOW CASHLESS) i urge any who are not yet awake to watch among thousands of others, the YouTube videos below (as Christians we do need to be awake, but not afraid. God will deliver us through Grace, even if it costs us our lives) i do not know if the RFID chip will be the actual mark in the hand or forehead, but we sure don't want one anyway!!!:

One Mainframe To Rule Them All (1of5)
From: noverichip | October 14, 2009 | 16,337 views

"One Mainframe To Rule Them All is a breathtaking rundown of the human microchipping agenda. Concise and effective, it breaks down the coming global information control grid in all its horrifying detail. Scarier than any horror movie could be because it is real and documented."


and, to get that the system has been in place for a very long time, watch:

YouTube
IBM and the Holocaust

(i have read some interesting theories that the 4th beast (so-called non-descriptive beast) in Daniel* is actually what will be a 4th German Reich. the idea has some merit, especially since we now know hitler most definitely did not act alone. though does it really matter? it'll be global, and all will have to choose)

IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM and the Holocaust takes you through the carefully crafted corporate collusion with the Third Reich, as well as the structured deniability of oral agreements, undated letters, and the Geneva intermediaries -- all undertaken as the newspapers blazed with accounts of persecution and destruction.
Just as compelling is the human drama of one of our century's greatest minds, IBM founder Thomas Watson, who cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of profit.
Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust. Edwin Black has now uncovered one of the last great mysteries of Germany's war against the Jews -- how did Hitler get the names?
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Daniel 7:7
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

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(i have read some interesting theories that the 4th beast (so-called non-descriptive beast) in Daniel* is actually what will be a 4th German Reich. the idea has some merit, especially since we now know hitler most definitely did not act alone. though does it really matter? it'll be global, and all will have to choose)


On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."


Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler. That looks like Joseph Goebbels the Nazi Propaganda Minister on the far right.



German Storm Troopers and Hitler's Brown Shirts in Church


Sieg Heil!!!






WHO ELSE HELPED THE NAZIS?

YouTube
John Buchanan tells how the nazis tie to the Bush family

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Originally Posted by zone

WHO ELSE HELPED THE NAZIS?

YouTube
John Buchanan tells how the nazis tie to the Bush family

sometimes knowledge of what's happening flows from one link to another. everybody is probably already well aware of all this stuff, but the global reality of the wickedness of the commercial system is apparent. SO IS THE WORLDWIDE DECEPTION becoming apparent.


The Wall Street Journal Europe, Friday / Saturday September 28-29 2001, p.4

Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington

Saudi Clan Has Had Access To Influential Republicans

By Staff Reporters Daniel Golden and James Bandler in Boston, and Marcus Walker in Hamburg

If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan - which says it is estranged from Osama - is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former U.S. President George Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr bin Laden, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar to the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow."

Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked planes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $ 1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family received $1.3. million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation has changed now," hesaid. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters."

A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family both in 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

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anyways
that's all old news.

the point is it's all by design.
fortunately for us, God has revealed all these things to us in advance!

love
z.

p.s.: SORRY ABOUT HIJACKING MY OWN THREAD! ha!

Well, this has wandered well off topic. I would like to return to the subject. Do you feel that the two women with wings are symbolic of anything? How do they contrast with the woman of Rev. 11.

I believe that the harlot is primarily economic, that her intrusion into religion and politics is exactly what will happen. I believe that congregations will have a choice between faithfulness to God and prosparity.

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Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

Well, this has wandered well off topic. I would like to return to the subject. Do you feel that the two women with wings are symbolic of anything? How do they contrast with the woman of Rev. 11.

I believe that the harlot is primarily economic, that her intrusion into religion and politics is exactly what will happen. I believe that congregations will have a choice between faithfulness to God and prosparity.

i suppose the two winged women represent Nebuchadnezzar II who carried the people away into Babylon.

i don't think the 2 winged women relate to the Whore of Revelation, other than they performed their duty by carrying the wicked woman in her commercial system to Babylon where she established herself and her system on her own base.

i DO believe the specific Woman is primarily a religious system, and she is contained, or hidden inside an economic system, an economic system that will cover the whole earth.

Originally Posted by zone

i suppose the two winged women represent Nebuchadnezzar II who carried the people away into Babylon.

i don't think the 2 winged women relate to the Whore of Revelation, other than they performed their duty by carrying the wicked woman in her commercial system to Babylon where she established herself and her system on her own base.

i DO believe the specific Woman is primarily a religious system, and she is contained, or hidden inside an economic system, an economic system that will cover the whole earth.

I do not disagree with that as I believe that money is the god of the present times.

Zone
I was having lunch with another Minister and showed him your topic. He says you know what your talking about. I know like everyone bits and pieces, PROPHECY is not my Ministry. But my friend, like you is up on it. I will pass along what you or others post on this subject, he may want to add unto you more info. God Bless.

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Originally Posted by Ricke

Zone
I was having lunch with another Minister and showed him your topic. He says you know what your talking about. I know like everyone bits and pieces, PROPHECY is not my Ministry. But my friend, like you is up on it. I will pass along what you or others post on this subject, he may want to add unto you more info. God Bless.

wow.
that's really cool!
thanks Ricke. sometimes i wonder if i'm getting through.
love zone

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Originally Posted by zone

first, this passge in context is a series of revelations given to Zechariah from JERUSALEM.

Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. 6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.


6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth

an ephah is a commercial measure, like a bushel or basket for grain, etc.

He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

this commerical measure, or system will be THE SAME throughout the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead

lead is pretty serious stuff. nothing gets through it.

and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

women are often used as analogies for religions and/or peoples (Israel and Judah are called harlot sisters).

so, we have a "woman", sitting inside a commercial measure, one that will be worldwide.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

so the woman is described as wickedness!
we have wickedness, a "woman" in Jerusalem, being loaded into what will become a worldwide commercial measure.
we know God has described the Great City Jerusalem as an harlot (obviously a geogrphical place in itself can not be an harlot).
a "woman" can only be considered an harlot by God if she commits adultery against Him.
in order to do that, she had to be betrothed, or dedicated to him in some way.

And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

so the wickedness (woman/harlot) is cast into the commercial system, and sealed inside by lead, meaning there will nothing getting in or out to alter God's decree. this harlot and her wickedness, inside the commercial system will remain that way until God's judgment.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

here are two more women, with wind in their wings: their flight will be swift and unstoppable. the wings of a stork denote strength and power in flight, but the stork is also considered an unclean bird.

they lift up the wickedness of the woman and her commercial system between the earth and the heaven. this is interesting in that it is stated in this way at all: does it mean this woman and her system are neither natural or acceptable to man or heaven?

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

where are they taking her and her system, he asks?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

WOW!
so they are taking her and her system to BABYLON!
and there they will build her a house, her own house.
this wicked woman and her commercialism is going from Jerusalem to Babylon where it will ESTABLISH a system which will cover the whole earth!
and her house shall be established. not just a temporary thing...

and set there upon her own base.

so she is going to be set there, upon her OWN BASE. nothing whatsoever to do with God. this wicked woman will establish HER OWN RELIGION and COMMERCIAL system that is HER OWN. not of God.

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a little research into what was established in Babylon by mixing the things of God with the things of Babylon (making the things of God of none effect) allows us to look through the lens of Scripture to see this woman and her system now, as God showed Zechariah, fully ESTABLISHED and covering the whole earth.

all nations have drunk of this system.

the entire world is now in the clutches of the "wickedness" of the woman and her commercial system.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The Seven Heads And Ten Horns Of Revelation 13:1
Seven Mountains


By Pastor G. Reckart

The ten horn beast kingdom is mentioned in Daniel 7:7 as being the fourth beast in his vision. That fourth beast is the Roman empire without question. It is a fact the Catholic Church took on the identity of the Roman Empire and today papal Rome carries by inheritance any and all rebuke and judgment of God against Rome. Papal Rome will always be in league with the antichrist in Israel. The future antichrist to come to Jerusalem will have Papal blessings and authority.

The ten horns then are understood to be ten kings, rulers, or emperors that would rule during the time of the Messiah. We start the first of the ten with Caesar Augustus and indeed he is mentioned with the birth of Jesus. He is the first horn or power of the fourth beast that has to do with the Messianic fulfillment. If we then count the next ten emperors we end up with Titus who destroyed the temple and Jerusalem in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 24.

The seven heads are not mentioned in Daniel and are first found in Revelation 12:3 and 13:1. These seven must reign at the same time of the fourth beast and the ten horns or emperors. The beast with seven heads and ten horns is not an endtime event and it is NOT THE ROMAN EMPIRE REVIVED! The second beast that comes up AFTER the first beast ends is the endtime event. The second beast is not the European Common Market because there are more than ten nations in that federation. The Seven heads are not the seven hills of Rome. The seven heads are Jerusalem which we will now prove.

The focus of the metal-man image and the revealing of the four beasts is to reveal the events of the nations that lead up to the coming of the Messiah and the destruction of the image by the stone hewn out of the mountain that filled the whole earth. That stone is the Church as the Kingdom of God. This is not a millennial fulfillment but a fulfillment of what happened at Calvary. The stone taken out of the mountain is the Church Kingdom born out of Calvary's sacrifice.

We can see then that the seven heads previously mentioned must have connection with Israel as that is the focus of the Messianic fulfillment. These seven agree exactly with the Herods. During the time of the reign of the ten horns in Rome there reigned in Israel seven Herods under that power. These were the antichrist forces in world power at the time of Jesus and the Apostles up to 70AD.

A separate seven heads is revealed in Revelation 17:9 and are identified as the seven mountains where the whore sitteth. This is further identified as the seven hills of Jerusalem and called the *great city* where also our Lord was crucified.

The witchcraft system of Kabbalah within paganized Judaism (Talmudism), is called Mystery Babylon the Great. Because it came out of Babylon by the Pharisees and other occult mystics.

One of these seven heads or hills had a wound by a sword, this head or hill is Mount Moriah (the temple mount), and the sword was the war of Titus that destroyed it in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 24.

Jerusalem is the location of the hill where the great whore sitteth, Rome or Catholicism is not the great whore. Rome is not destroyed in the endtime, it is Jerusalem and the temple mount that are destroyed by the battle of Armageddon.

The deadly wound of the head or hill that will be healed is Mount Moriah will be resurrected back from the dead. This points to a revived Judaism religion upon the temple mount.

This angers God after all, he had the place destroyed in 70AD as an eternal sign that temple and religion was abolished and replaced forever by the New Testament Church.

The revival of the temple mount and the Talmudic religion will be the endtime work of the antichrist and his false prophet.

Alleged *contact* with God will be claimed as the antichrist urges his false prophet to call fire down upon animal sacrifices in the new temple. The world will be deceived that these antichrist have made re-contact with God. Those who preach that this alleged re-contact with God is really the power of the devil, and the man claiming to be the Messiah is the antichrist, will be hated of all nations for the name sake of Jesus as the ONLY Messiah. Then, fathers and mothers will betray their children unto death and children will betray their fathers and mothers to death. Ministers will betray Ministers, Churches will betray Churches, religious organizations will betray independents, and the world will be covered in the blood of those slain for the testimony of the name and salvation of Jesus. There will be great persecution from friends and relatives, but the elect of God, his true Israel, will be delivered.

In Revelation 13 the first beast system of the ten and the seven are separated by an unknown amount of time from the the second beast that comes upon the earth in the endtime.

The second beast is the antichrist system of the endtime. It will last 42 months or three and one half years. Tribulation will only be three and one half years long. But a great destruction from the Lord Jesus will rain upon the earth because of this hatred and bigotry against the followers of the Lamb and the Lamb shall overcome them (Rev 17:14).

The revived Judaism will birth out of the midst her antichrist in Jerusalem. The head or hill that had the wound by the sword and was dead will be revived. Rome will support this antichrist and assist in deceiving millions to worship this revived religious system. Rome will be destroyed along with other nations at the appearance of the Lord, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God and who obeyed not the Truth.



The seven hills identify Jerusalem not Rome: Jerusalem was a large city spreading outside the walls and covering the seven hills there during the time of Jesus and the Apostles: 1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion.

For what ever reason, and by what ever hands and manipulation, Mt. Gared, Mt. Goath, Mt Acra, and Mt. Bezetha have been deleted from nearly all maps of Jerusalem. To still identify Jerusalem as the city of Revelation 17:9, other scholars replaced these with four other mountains: Mt. of Olives, Mt. Of Offence, Mount of Evil Counsel, and Mount Calvary. In either case, Jerusalem is the city of the seven mountains in Rev. 17:9. While these were not all within the walled city, all seven hills were nevertheless spoke of as being at Jerusalem and Jerusalem. The original Jerusalem was only upon the small hill of Zion. The walls were enlarged to enclose also the temple mount by Solomon. Later the walls were enlarged again to include Mount Ophel. Then the city limits was enlarged again and covered the seven hills.

Contrary to dispensational claims, the endtime focus is not on Rome as a city nor upon the Catholic Church. It is upon Israel, Jerusalem, the temple mount, the Jewish antichrist, the Jewish false prophet, and the Jews and Gentiles who will participate in this revival. Will Rome play a decisive role in the endtime? Yes! Rome will validate the antichrist and in fact be a supporter of the antichrist regime. Rome signed a peace treaty with Israel on December 30, 1993.

This sealed Rome's agreement to support Israel and she has not failed to do so. She has sent out letters and decrees that Israel and Jerusalem together with all modern Jews are not to be accused for the crucifixion of Jesus, and not to be converted to Jesus. Rome has made the decree that Jews can be saved by keeping the Law and observing animal sacrifices. These very decrees validate antichrist when he appears. Catholics and Protestants will be the agents of the Jerusalem antichrist to kill millions. Come out of them and her *my people.* Flee from *ALL* Religious organizations right this very moment. Never go back. Have Church in your home or with others in small Church groups.

The endtime focus is upon antichrist in Israel who will be Jewish. A false prophet will arise and he will certify the antichrist in the role of Elijah the Prophet. This public coronation will begin a world-wide nightmare of persecution and hatred against the name of Jesus and the endtime Church.

It will be heralded world-wide that the Jews have made RE-CONTACT with God as they call fire from heaven down* upon the temple mount on renewed animal sacrifices. The deceived world will go mad and worship the antichrist and millions will deny Jesus and go back to practice of the Law, Pharisee-Talmudic style. But, the true Saints shall not be forsaken nor forgotten. Yes, some may die for their faith. But if they are killed by Jew or Gentile, their soul will fly to the temple mount and there in spirit under the altar will cry for vengeance upon Israel, the temple mount, and upon Gentile nations and persecutors until the day of vengeance, ...the day of the Lord.

We who have confessed Jesus as the Messiah are in this to endure UNTIL the end! Not the beginning, not the middle, not prewrath, but to the END! The Lord Jesus will unleash the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven vials upon the antichrist in Israel, Jerusalem, and around the world. These judgments are against the antichrist and *for* the protection of the Saints, not their destruction or God's wrath upon them. Do not fear going through the tribulation, the Lord will reward you richly.

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Revelation 13
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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Arabs in Tzefat and the Seven Noachide Laws

7:58:PM Thursday, Feb 18, 2010


Below is a free translation of an article that appeared in the Maariv newspaper on Wednesday: Do Arab workers in businesses in Tzefat and the surrounding area need to fulfill commandments from the Tanach? This is the opinion of activists from the “Jewish Values Lobby,” who are starting a campaign to persuade employers to ask their workers to sign a religious statement according to which they will undertake to observe the Seven Noachide Laws. These include prohibitions against eating parts of a live animal, serving idols, desecrating Hashem’s name, immorality, robbery, and violence.
This initiative, which is expected to take Israeli Arabs by storm, was officially launched today. Lobbyists will visit businesses in Tzefat and the surrounding communities, which employ hundreds of Arabs living nearby, and they will ask them to sign their employees on a commitment to observe the Seven Noachide Laws.
“I hereby sign that I will undertake to observe the Seven Noachide Laws and declare my faithfulness to the Jewish nation according to Jewish values,” it is written in the statement. “I know that if I am caught violating any one of these laws, my employer will be allowed to fire me with no prior notice nor compensation.”
The Jewish Values Lobby explained that this campaign does not contradict a directive from one of the Jewish leaders of the generation from two years ago against employing Arab workers in public places. “We recommend that people don’t employ Arab workers,” a spokesman from the lobby explained. “But unfortunately, there are many Jews who employ Arabs in their stores, so we decided to deal with reality.”
(SOURCE: COL.ORG.IL)
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WeJew Jewish Video Sharing Megasite - Netanyahu At UN Recalls Meeting With Chabad Rebbe
Netanyahu Interview with Israeli Media after U.N. Speech - Sep. 24 2009- In answer to one journalist who asked whether he might not be lending credibility to Ahmadenijad by addressing his denial of the Holocaust, Netanyahu chose to focus on a prescient experience he had with the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, 25 years ago. (Subtitles by Moishy Korf)

heres the conversation the two had in 1984, transcribed here:
Lubavitch Archives | Soul Meetings

Three meetings with Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Meeting on Simchat Torah 5745 (Thursday, October 18, 1984)
Benjamin Netanyahu: Rebbe, I came to see you.
Rebbe: Just to see, not to talk?
You are going to the house of lies, and when you are there remember that even when you are in the darkest place, it is your job to ignite the flame of truth. This flame spreads into a light that can be seen from afar and dispels the darkness. You have to ignite this flame because you defend in the world [the United Nations] the truth of the Jewish people.
You have to stand strong and proud for the Jewish people in the United Nations.
We see from the history of the wars that the land of Israel has fought, that only by standing strong can you be successful and win.
Look at the crowd here, most of them are still youngsters, these are our future generations…"
[Than the Rebbe asked] Why is Peres not requesting to enlarge the budget [that the United States was granting to Israel], what is this profligacy, now is the time to request.
Meeting on Hoshana Raba 5748 (Thursday, October 14, 1987)
Rebbe: I have read a lot of your work here. A good and sweet year, success in all your endeavors and great success in all your matters.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Honored Rabbi, you constantly follow what is occurring in the State of Israel…
Rebbe: I always follow, however to my disappointment we do not hear…
Benjamin Netanyahu: They hear more than the Rebbe assumes.
Rebbe: Maybe they hear, however there is no good news. The deed is the essential, however perhaps you could influence them from here [in the United Nations].
Benjamin Netanyahu: I am planning in the near future to return to Israel and to battle over the issues there and attempt to have influence [from there].
Rebbe: There is plenty more to influence over here in the United Nations.
Benjamin Netanyahu: It is possible to struggle [for these issues] from the land of Israel. It is of important concern that there should actually be a good replacement.
Rebbe: There is no one to be confident in [that there should be a good replacement].
Benjamin Netanyahu: There are several good contestants.
Rebbe: That is doubtful [that there is a good replacement], and doubt does not take away from the certain [your influence while in the UN].
You know that in the UN there is the factor of the Seven Noahide Laws.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Yes, yes.
Rebbe: It is the duty of the Jew to have influence on the non-Jews. And this is your duty to be active [in influencing the Seven Noah Laws upon the non-Jews in the UN].
Benjamin Netanyahu: I have not forgotten our first meeting, and I have been active in what the honored Rabbi told me, to stand proud and strong [as a Jew], it has been engraved in me and I have acted accordingly.
Rebbe: You sure know that Benjamin was the only one of the tribes who was born in the Land of Israel, and he was active afterwards on the non-Jews and he was the leader of the non-Jews with the proper might and with the "pride of Jacob."
Benjamin Netanyahu: I am serving here for five years…
Rebbe: You could continue to serve here until Moshiach comes!
Meeting on the 2nd of Iyar 5748 (Tuesday, April 19, 1988)
Benjamin Netanyahu: I just finished my term as the ambassador of Israel in the United Nations, and I have started my position as a Knesset member.
Rebbe: Much success. I had a lot of pleasure from your speech. May it be G-d's will that you should continue in this direction, and G-d helps all those which want "to purify others," and especially when it is started with "adorn yourself." Do not take it harshly that I speak regarding these issues in public.
Benjamin Netanyahu: I plan to continue in this exact direction, and I have understood the Rebbe's message well.
Rebbe: This is the best direction in order that they should not have to come to the issue of warfare, war and the like. It should be "In return and in ease you will be saved."
Benjamin Netanyahu: I thank the Rebbe for the possibility he has given me these last few years to come and receive the mental help that the Rebbe has given me, not merely to me, but moreover the entire Jewish nation.
Rebbe: I am just in the beginning of my job, and you are also in the beginning of your job [in the Knesset].
Benjamin Netanyahu: I have come at the beginning of my work to the man in the beginning of his work. And I plan to return to you, honored Rebbe.
Rebbe:You will need to struggle with 119 people. You will for sure not be influenced from them, since G-d has favor for this side. Blessing and success.

(the following shortened to fit in post, and to look specifically at theTalmudic Religion (FALSE) building its global power base - remember the woman in the EPHAH will be established on her OWN BASE - search the UN yourself for confirmation)

1 June 2010

Economic and Social Council
ECOSOC/6424
NGO/696
Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

Committee on NGOs
23rd & 24th Meetings (AM & PM)

Committee on Non-Governmental Organizations Recommends Consultative Status

for 5 Groups, Postpones Consideration of 43 Applications

The Committee on Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) today recommended 5 entities for consultative status with the Economic and Social Council and postponed its consideration of 43 applications.

General, special or roster status is recommended in accordance with such criteria as the applicant’s mandate, governance and financial regime. Organizations enjoying general and special status can attend meetings of the Economic and Social Council and circulate statements, while those with general status can, in addition, address meetings and propose agenda items. Roster-status NGOs can only attend meetings.

The Committee recommended special consultative status for the following NGOs:

Pending receipt of answers to delegates’ questions, the Committee postponed its consideration of applications submitted by:

International Institute of Security & Safety Management — an organization headquartered in India which promotes security and safety as integral parts of human and socio-economic development — as China’s delegation requested a written commitment to use correct United Nations terminology;.............

Redeem Africa Foundation — a national organization in Ghana supporting education and health care in remote districts and fighting for the rights of the poor and under-privileged, while also undertaking gender-sensitive initiatives to address sexual and reproductive health issue — after Egypt requested clarification on several questions, as well as an explanation of membership qualifications, including any restrictions on religious grounds;.....................

Women's Global Network for Reproductive Rights — an international organization headquartered in the Philippines which works for women’s reproductive and sexual rights — after China’s representative requested more information about its activities in her country and its contributions to meetings that had taken place there, and Egypt’s representative asked about its perspectives on safe abortion, sexual health and reproductive rights, its expertise in political economy and other questions about the terminology used in its application;..................................

Australian Lesbian Medical Association — a national organization striving to provide support and advocacy for members, advance the visibility of lesbian health, and provide a network for lesbian doctors — after Qatar’s representative requested clarification of its views on the Yogyakarta Principles and same-sex parenting, and Egypt’s delegate asked requested additional information on its activities, finances, member contributions and view of “sexual identity”;

Dharma Drum Mountain Buddhist Association — a United States-based international organization that is committed to relieving physical, emotional and spiritual human suffering, and to helping protect the natural environment — after China’s representative requested information on other projects in that country besides earthquake relief, and Cuba’s delegate sought details about proposed projects with United Nations entities;

Freemuse-The World Forum on Music and Censorship — an international organization based in Denmark that advocates freedom of expression for musicians and composers worldwide — after Cuba asked about its participation in Alliance of Civilizations meetings, China’s representative sought its views on freedoms and restrictions, and Egypt asked for information on other areas;

High Atlas Foundation — an international organization headquartered in the United States which works to establish development projects in Morocco, designed and managed by local communities in partnership with Government and non-governmental agencies — after Cuba asked about its international activities, and Egypt and Pakistan sought clarifications on budgetary matters;............

Institute of Noahide Code—7 Laws for 70 Nations — a national organization in the United States which encourages the practice of the Seven Laws of Noah, according to the teachings of Rabbi M. M. Schneerson — after Cuba asked about its position on defamation of religions and the endorsement of the Noahide laws by the United States Congress. Egypt asked about the NGO’s sustainability, relevance to the Economic and Social Council and whether it had considered seeking consultative status with UNESCO;

International Confederation of the Society of St. Vincent de Paul — an organization based in France which fights to alleviate poverty and promote social change, while enhancing local development capacities in 141 countries — after Cuba requested information on the impact of its assistance activities in Haiti, and on its partner organizations in Cuba. Egypt requested its registration documentation and Pakistan asked for information on its activities in that country as well as further information on comments in its application; and..........

Lastly, a representative of WITNESS — a United States-based international organization which uses video and online technologies to open the world’s eyes to human rights violations — said the NGO hoped to share its expertise in new media and video in promoting human rights with the United Nations through participation in such forums as Envision: Addressing Global Issues through Documentaries.

Asked about the NGO’s network partners, the representative explained that they were organizations or individuals with which the organization had worked previously but no longer maintained collaborations.

The Committee will reconvene at 10 a.m. tomorrow, Wednesday 2 June, to continue its consideration of deferred applications.

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The Coming World Antichrist Movement

There have been many theories about who the antichrist will be, and how he will be able to gather the nations into a world federation based around religion and at the same time, opposing Christianity with deep hate and venom.
It only takes a simple look into the Scriptures to determine that the idea of a Messiah is within Judaism only. While this redeemer and deliverer was identified by Daniel in 9:27 as the Messiah, and a time element was prophesied for his coming, there were other glimpses of Messiah prior to Daniel's revelation.

The first mention of a Messiah or a Redeemer was to Eve in Genesis 3:15. Her "seed" would bruise the "head" of the serpent. This is a clear identification of enmity between the woman's "seed" and the serpent. The serpent would strike at his heels, but the "seed" would "bruise" the head of the serpent.

It is within the substitutionary sacrifice of animals that we get our first glimpse that man's sins are an offense to God and the shedding of blood was in faith asking for the covering of divine grace. This was witnesses by Adam and Eve. When they should have died that day, God changed his mind and by his grace slew a sacrifice in the place of Adam and Eve. He gave them coats of skin from the sacrifice as an "outward sign" their covering of grace.

When they saw the "robe of righteousness given unto them by the Lord" they acknowledged this garment symbolised the grace of a loving God. Afterward, when the children of Adam and Eve wanted this same grace upon themselves, they would sacrifice a lamb, and there plead with God for the same' covering of grace and mercy" mom and daddy received. It is interesting that the substitutionary sacrifice was a lamb. And here we get another wonderful revelation of the coming Messiah, who himself would be the substitutionary sacrifice that the world might receive the grace of God. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, would be the sacrifice of grace.

Abraham saw the day of Christ and rejoiced (jumped and spun about). This was upon the mount of Moriah, a mount of the Amorites near unto Salem, the home village of Melchezedek. Abraham received the revelation of a substitutionary sacrifice when he went to offer up Isaac unto Adonai. When he was about to slay his only son, he was stopped by the urgent voice of God. As he waited upon Adonai to give him further instructions, he saw a ram caught in a thicket with its head also entangled the thorns. He went to the ram, fetched it out of the thicket, and offered it up in the place of Isaac. What he saw there that day was a revelation.

A substitutionary sacrifice, ...caught, ...trapped, ...could not get free, ...bound in the power of the thicket, ...and around his head was a crown or ring of thorns:

GEN 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
GEN 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. GEN 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Let me first say that the word "Jehovah" was not spoken by Abraham. The word "Jehovah" was invented by a Catholic priest around 1200AD. Abraham only knew God by three names or titles: God, Elshaddai, and Adonai. Only one of these mean "Lord" and that is "Adonai." The Catholic priest took the vowels out of Adonai and mixed them with the mystical Jewish tetragrammaton IHWH and the result was Iehovah (later Jehovah). I am pointing this out because it is important that we do not miss a wonderful revelation here by Abraham.

It was after Abraham offered up the ram as a sacrifice that he received a revelation of the substitutionary sacrifice for his son. All prior sacrifices of Abraham was to continue upon him the grace of God that came upon Adam and Eve after they were covered by a robe of righteousness made of skins of the sacrifice. When Abraham received the revelation of a substitutionary sacrifice, he said these words "Adonai-jireh" (Jehovah-jireh; KJV) or as anciently "LORD I see." For "Jireh" in Hebrew means "I see."

The name is interpreted as: "in the mount it shall be seen." What did Abraham mean by this? He meant that from Mount Moriah the substitutionay sacrifice would be seen. The crucifixion of Jesus could be seen from the temple mount. Abraham said that day: "Lord, I see."

JOH 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

But when Jesus came, the Jews who were in the temple cult, the cult of the serpent, who did not represent the Judaism of Moses and the previous Old Testament Prophets prior to 600BC, these hated Jesus and sought to strike him in the heels (to bring him down). The prophecy to Eve that the serpent's brood would attack the feet of the Messiah was now going to come to pass. How fitting that these in this subversive cult were called serpents and vipers by both John the Baptist and Jesus himself:

MAT 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
MAT 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
MAT 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?
LUK 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? LUK 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

There is no doubt whatsoever that if anyone has a sober mind, they can identify that these of the serpent cult, first identified in Genesis 3:15, were apostate Jews, Jews in whom there was a high secret order of mystery Babylon. We now know what this cult is and what it consist of.

It is Babylonian Talmudism, called by Jesus "the traditions of the Elders."

It is also evident to those of a sober mind, that when Jesus gave witness to the Scriptures he NEVER quoted from these Babylonian Talmudic traditions, instead pointed back to a superior authority of Moses, the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms. It is also now known that when the Jews were in Mystery Babylon from around 587BC to the time of Jesus, they adopted Babylonian mysticism, now known as gnosticism, and incorporated this system of the esoteric (secret oral mysteries) into an interpretation of the Old Testament. Philo is recognized as one of those gnostic philosophers among the Jews who tried to formulate a completely new Judaism with his Babylonian mystic and Greek Plato theories.

Out of the 600 years of dark ages of Jews in Mystery Babylon, came to birth a new Mystery Babylon that would move to Israel, take over the Temple, and be in place upon the arrival of the Messiah, to be the ministry of the serpent against the seed of the woman and his Kingdom of God.

What the marvel here is, the wonder of wonders, so shocking and stunning that even John was speechless, is that apostate Judaism had uniquely homogenized itself in the core of Gentile political systems. There were in essence two Judaisms, one desired to cling to the ancient religion and the cult wanted a religious system through which it could control the destiny of the nation. In concert with pagan rulers, this subversive cult played a public role while in the hewn chambers of their secret lodges, they were devils, human demons who had no love of God nor for the destiny of Israel (the infamous Iscari from whence Judas was called Iscariot). They used religion as their cover to masquerade as Jews, but inwardly they were ravening wolves.

It was this joint partnership of apostate Jews in concert with Gentiles who they persuaded with their Babylonian snake-throne trickery, that Jesus was opposed, was persecuted, spied upon, his name scandalized, and then within a kangaroo court of the apostate Iscari Sanhedrin, he was sentenced to die.
Once this cult of the serpent learned how easy it was to make tools of the Gentiles to do their work and bidding, the world has never been the same. The antichrist will always be made up of Jews and Gentiles. The Jews will be apostate and the Gentiles will be apostates. The Jews will train and manipulate the Gentiles and the Gentiles will carry out the secret plans of the Jews. It was so in the crucifixion of Jesus and it will be so in the time just prior to the second coming of Jesus Messiah.

What are we to look for? We are to look for a rise in Jewishism via a revival of law-keeping by Gentiles.

These Gentiles will be used and promoted to attack at the very core of the Christian faith. First, these will deny and recant the name of Jesus. Then they will deny and recant that Jesus replaced the laws of Moses with his New Covenant. Then they will renounce the name of Jesus as being the name of a false God. Many thousands will flock to these Concision groups and by them the name of the Lord Jesus will be blasphemed.

Then these will reject totally the New Covenant and become Noahides, keeping the seven Talmudic laws allegedly of Noah, a Gentile. And these are found no where except within the Talmud, the most dangerous antichrist book ever written by men.

When antichrist comes, he will have a great ready army to slash, kill, and burn Christians who reject the laws of Moses for salvation.

There is absolutely NO MISTAKE! The first antichrist against Jesus used the law of Moses to carry out their hideous and blood deed upon the Messiah. The high priest sat in the temple as God, having the power of life and death, the authority of his cult to demand a person be put to death or to be set free. Why would we think it should be any different in the endtime? Why should we think there will be some other antichrist from some other place or religion?

We want to have an non-Jewish antichrist, because we have been deceived that the Jews do not hate Jesus any longer; that they do not hate Christians any longer; and that the Jews now love Jesus and his Apostles. With all of this head-in-the-sand mentality, the facts are soon to be revealed that the Jews will arise in a massive world-wide thrust through several mechanisms in countries throughout the world, to attack Christianity, the New Testament, the Apostles, and any Christian who confesses that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel already come in the flesh.

When Jesus came, it was the divine plan of God that the believing Jews merge into the Kingdom of God. They would have to depart out of the Judaism of the present antichrist and themselves be converted into the Messiah's Kingdom. Gentiles would also be converted into the Kingdom of Messiah. For Messiah would transfer the throne of David to his Israel of God, the Church, and in it he would reign as Lord. The Jews and the Gentiles who rejected to come into the Kingdom would continue through the ages and in the endtime unite into a world federation of nations.


And these will be the beast system. And the whore of Babylon, the whore who was carried to Babylon, the same whore will sit upon the Mount of Moriah and in Jerusalem on the seven ancient mountains, and from thence she will run the nations. The nations will become her children and at the right time, and by laws enacted, the whore will wreck vengeance upon Christians and turning her attention to the immediate appearance of the Messiah, she will summon the nations through the agency of the Antichrist, to Armageddon, and there they will make battle against the Lamb. But the Lamb shall overcome them. And he shall destroy them with the brightness of his appearing.


Jesus said: "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since then the kingdom of God is preached and all men presseth into it."


We are not to press back into the Law Covenant or any part of it. We are to press into the Kingdom of God. And it is in John 3:3-5 that Jesus tells us that a person must be born again of water and of Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom. In Mark 16:16 Jesus preached to the Jews: "He that believeth and in baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be ****ed." And in Acts 2:38, when asked of the Apostles how to be saved, Peter did not tell them to keep the law, to go the the temple and offer more animal sacrifices, or to keep the ten commandments.


He told them to "repent" and to "be baptized" in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and a person would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter had the keys to the Kingdom of God and this verse holds the three keys of faith to enter in by grace into the Kingdom of God.


But the Concisions and the Law Keepers will not have it. They feel compelled that they must try to keep the laws of Moses for salvation, justification, and sanctification. Antichrist are arising from all denominations denying that salvation is through Jesus Messiah alone. This is that spirit of antichrist that will join forces with Jewish rabbis and then with other Jewish-Gentile groups to begin a systematic destruction of Christianity.


First they will accuse us of being antisemetic for rejecting Pharisee-Talmudic Judaism, then antisemetic for rejecting that the Laws of Moses are still in effect for Jews and Gentiles for salvation, and then antisemetic because we dare write something that opposes and or exposes their agenda.


The antichrist are herein exposed.

What will we see in the endtime?

We will see a revival of Judaism law-keeping and a denial by so-called Christians of the New Covenant. If you observe any person saying that the New Testament is not the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34, you have just met an antichrist, a Concision, a person who has fallen from grace and are severed from Christ.

These cannot be saved once they deny the fulfillment by the Messiah of the New Covenant. These will deny the Lord's Passover Memorial Cup and thereby crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and thereby count his blood an unholy thing.

Let the whole world know, that in Acts 15, the Apostles have declared that the New Testament Church is not bound by the Law and indeed not even the Ten Commandments. None of which were commanded by the Apostles for believers in the Churches.

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Antichrist, who is it, how will Jews and Gentiles unite to attack Christians?

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I'm reading this series of posts. I was wondering do you think the section about "here are two more women, with WIND IN THEIR WINGS" means anything? I'm trying to get better studying the word. I think I might be over thinking things... I looked up references to wind etc...

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Originally Posted by NMsmile

I'm reading this series of posts. I was wondering do you think the section about "here are two more women, with WIND IN THEIR WINGS" means anything? I'm trying to get better studying the word. I think I might be over thinking things... I looked up references to wind etc...

this was in there somewhere

Originally Posted by zone

i suppose the two winged women represent Nebuchadnezzar II who carried the people away into Babylon.

i don't think the 2 winged women relate to the Whore of Revelation, other than they performed their duty by carrying the wicked woman in her commercial system to Babylon where she established herself and her system on her own base.

i DO believe the specific Woman is primarily a religious system, and she is contained, or hidden inside an economic system, an economic system that will cover the whole earth.

BUMP !

Originally Posted by zone

The Coming World Antichrist Movement

There have been many theories about who the antichrist will be, and how he will be able to gather the nations into a world federation based around religion and at the same time, opposing Christianity with deep hate and venom.
It only takes a simple look into the Scriptures to determine that the idea of a Messiah is within Judaism only. While this redeemer and deliverer was identified by Daniel in 9:27 as the Messiah, and a time element was prophesied for his coming, there were other glimpses of Messiah prior to Daniel's revelation.

The first mention of a Messiah or a Redeemer was to Eve in Genesis 3:15. Her "seed" would bruise the "head" of the serpent. This is a clear identification of enmity between the woman's "seed" and the serpent. The serpent would strike at his heels, but the "seed" would "bruise" the head of the serpent.

It is within the substitutionary sacrifice of animals that we get our first glimpse that man's sins are an offense to God and the shedding of blood was in faith asking for the covering of divine grace. This was witnesses by Adam and Eve. When they should have died that day, God changed his mind and by his grace slew a sacrifice in the place of Adam and Eve. He gave them coats of skin from the sacrifice as an "outward sign" their covering of grace.

When they saw the "robe of righteousness given unto them by the Lord" they acknowledged this garment symbolised the grace of a loving God. Afterward, when the children of Adam and Eve wanted this same grace upon themselves, they would sacrifice a lamb, and there plead with God for the same' covering of grace and mercy" mom and daddy received. It is interesting that the substitutionary sacrifice was a lamb. And here we get another wonderful revelation of the coming Messiah, who himself would be the substitutionary sacrifice that the world might receive the grace of God. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, would be the sacrifice of grace.

Abraham saw the day of Christ and rejoiced (jumped and spun about). This was upon the mount of Moriah, a mount of the Amorites near unto Salem, the home village of Melchezedek. Abraham received the revelation of a substitutionary sacrifice when he went to offer up Isaac unto Adonai. When he was about to slay his only son, he was stopped by the urgent voice of God. As he waited upon Adonai to give him further instructions, he saw a ram caught in a thicket with its head also entangled the thorns. He went to the ram, fetched it out of the thicket, and offered it up in the place of Isaac. What he saw there that day was a revelation.

A substitutionary sacrifice, ...caught, ...trapped, ...could not get free, ...bound in the power of the thicket, ...and around his head was a crown or ring of thorns:

GEN 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
GEN 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. GEN 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Let me first say that the word "Jehovah" was not spoken by Abraham. The word "Jehovah" was invented by a Catholic priest around 1200AD. Abraham only knew God by three names or titles: God, Elshaddai, and Adonai. Only one of these mean "Lord" and that is "Adonai." The Catholic priest took the vowels out of Adonai and mixed them with the mystical Jewish tetragrammaton IHWH and the result was Iehovah (later Jehovah). I am pointing this out because it is important that we do not miss a wonderful revelation here by Abraham.

It was after Abraham offered up the ram as a sacrifice that he received a revelation of the substitutionary sacrifice for his son. All prior sacrifices of Abraham was to continue upon him the grace of God that came upon Adam and Eve after they were covered by a robe of righteousness made of skins of the sacrifice. When Abraham received the revelation of a substitutionary sacrifice, he said these words "Adonai-jireh" (Jehovah-jireh; KJV) or as anciently "LORD I see." For "Jireh" in Hebrew means "I see."

The name is interpreted as: "in the mount it shall be seen." What did Abraham mean by this? He meant that from Mount Moriah the substitutionay sacrifice would be seen. The crucifixion of Jesus could be seen from the temple mount. Abraham said that day: "Lord, I see."

JOH 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

But when Jesus came, the Jews who were in the temple cult, the cult of the serpent, who did not represent the Judaism of Moses and the previous Old Testament Prophets prior to 600BC, these hated Jesus and sought to strike him in the heels (to bring him down). The prophecy to Eve that the serpent's brood would attack the feet of the Messiah was now going to come to pass. How fitting that these in this subversive cult were called serpents and vipers by both John the Baptist and Jesus himself:

MAT 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
MAT 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
MAT 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?
LUK 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? LUK 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

There is no doubt whatsoever that if anyone has a sober mind, they can identify that these of the serpent cult, first identified in Genesis 3:15, were apostate Jews, Jews in whom there was a high secret order of mystery Babylon. We now know what this cult is and what it consist of.

It is Babylonian Talmudism, called by Jesus "the traditions of the Elders."

It is also evident to those of a sober mind, that when Jesus gave witness to the Scriptures he NEVER quoted from these Babylonian Talmudic traditions, instead pointed back to a superior authority of Moses, the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms. It is also now known that when the Jews were in Mystery Babylon from around 587BC to the time of Jesus, they adopted Babylonian mysticism, now known as gnosticism, and incorporated this system of the esoteric (secret oral mysteries) into an interpretation of the Old Testament. Philo is recognized as one of those gnostic philosophers among the Jews who tried to formulate a completely new Judaism with his Babylonian mystic and Greek Plato theories.

Out of the 600 years of dark ages of Jews in Mystery Babylon, came to birth a new Mystery Babylon that would move to Israel, take over the Temple, and be in place upon the arrival of the Messiah, to be the ministry of the serpent against the seed of the woman and his Kingdom of God.

What the marvel here is, the wonder of wonders, so shocking and stunning that even John was speechless, is that apostate Judaism had uniquely homogenized itself in the core of Gentile political systems. There were in essence two Judaisms, one desired to cling to the ancient religion and the cult wanted a religious system through which it could control the destiny of the nation. In concert with pagan rulers, this subversive cult played a public role while in the hewn chambers of their secret lodges, they were devils, human demons who had no love of God nor for the destiny of Israel (the infamous Iscari from whence Judas was called Iscariot). They used religion as their cover to masquerade as Jews, but inwardly they were ravening wolves.

It was this joint partnership of apostate Jews in concert with Gentiles who they persuaded with their Babylonian snake-throne trickery, that Jesus was opposed, was persecuted, spied upon, his name scandalized, and then within a kangaroo court of the apostate Iscari Sanhedrin, he was sentenced to die.
Once this cult of the serpent learned how easy it was to make tools of the Gentiles to do their work and bidding, the world has never been the same. The antichrist will always be made up of Jews and Gentiles. The Jews will be apostate and the Gentiles will be apostates. The Jews will train and manipulate the Gentiles and the Gentiles will carry out the secret plans of the Jews. It was so in the crucifixion of Jesus and it will be so in the time just prior to the second coming of Jesus Messiah.

What are we to look for? We are to look for a rise in Jewishism via a revival of law-keeping by Gentiles.

These Gentiles will be used and promoted to attack at the very core of the Christian faith. First, these will deny and recant the name of Jesus. Then they will deny and recant that Jesus replaced the laws of Moses with his New Covenant. Then they will renounce the name of Jesus as being the name of a false God. Many thousands will flock to these Concision groups and by them the name of the Lord Jesus will be blasphemed.

Then these will reject totally the New Covenant and become Noahides, keeping the seven Talmudic laws allegedly of Noah, a Gentile. And these are found no where except within the Talmud, the most dangerous antichrist book ever written by men.

When antichrist comes, he will have a great ready army to slash, kill, and burn Christians who reject the laws of Moses for salvation.

There is absolutely NO MISTAKE! The first antichrist against Jesus used the law of Moses to carry out their hideous and blood deed upon the Messiah. The high priest sat in the temple as God, having the power of life and death, the authority of his cult to demand a person be put to death or to be set free. Why would we think it should be any different in the endtime? Why should we think there will be some other antichrist from some other place or religion?

We want to have an non-Jewish antichrist, because we have been deceived that the Jews do not hate Jesus any longer; that they do not hate Christians any longer; and that the Jews now love Jesus and his Apostles. With all of this head-in-the-sand mentality, the facts are soon to be revealed that the Jews will arise in a massive world-wide thrust through several mechanisms in countries throughout the world, to attack Christianity, the New Testament, the Apostles, and any Christian who confesses that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel already come in the flesh.

When Jesus came, it was the divine plan of God that the believing Jews merge into the Kingdom of God. They would have to depart out of the Judaism of the present antichrist and themselves be converted into the Messiah's Kingdom. Gentiles would also be converted into the Kingdom of Messiah. For Messiah would transfer the throne of David to his Israel of God, the Church, and in it he would reign as Lord. The Jews and the Gentiles who rejected to come into the Kingdom would continue through the ages and in the endtime unite into a world federation of nations.


And these will be the beast system. And the whore of Babylon, the whore who was carried to Babylon, the same whore will sit upon the Mount of Moriah and in Jerusalem on the seven ancient mountains, and from thence she will run the nations. The nations will become her children and at the right time, and by laws enacted, the whore will wreck vengeance upon Christians and turning her attention to the immediate appearance of the Messiah, she will summon the nations through the agency of the Antichrist, to Armageddon, and there they will make battle against the Lamb. But the Lamb shall overcome them. And he shall destroy them with the brightness of his appearing.


Jesus said: "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since then the kingdom of God is preached and all men presseth into it."


We are not to press back into the Law Covenant or any part of it. We are to press into the Kingdom of God. And it is in John 3:3-5 that Jesus tells us that a person must be born again of water and of Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom. In Mark 16:16 Jesus preached to the Jews: "He that believeth and in baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be ****ed." And in Acts 2:38, when asked of the Apostles how to be saved, Peter did not tell them to keep the law, to go the the temple and offer more animal sacrifices, or to keep the ten commandments.


He told them to "repent" and to "be baptized" in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and a person would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter had the keys to the Kingdom of God and this verse holds the three keys of faith to enter in by grace into the Kingdom of God.


But the Concisions and the Law Keepers will not have it. They feel compelled that they must try to keep the laws of Moses for salvation, justification, and sanctification. Antichrist are arising from all denominations denying that salvation is through Jesus Messiah alone. This is that spirit of antichrist that will join forces with Jewish rabbis and then with other Jewish-Gentile groups to begin a systematic destruction of Christianity.


First they will accuse us of being antisemetic for rejecting Pharisee-Talmudic Judaism, then antisemetic for rejecting that the Laws of Moses are still in effect for Jews and Gentiles for salvation, and then antisemetic because we dare write something that opposes and or exposes their agenda.


The antichrist are herein exposed.

What will we see in the endtime?

We will see a revival of Judaism law-keeping and a denial by so-called Christians of the New Covenant. If you observe any person saying that the New Testament is not the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34, you have just met an antichrist, a Concision, a person who has fallen from grace and are severed from Christ.

These cannot be saved once they deny the fulfillment by the Messiah of the New Covenant. These will deny the Lord's Passover Memorial Cup and thereby crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and thereby count his blood an unholy thing.

Let the whole world know, that in Acts 15, the Apostles have declared that the New Testament Church is not bound by the Law and indeed not even the Ten Commandments. None of which were commanded by the Apostles for believers in the Churches.

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