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um lol yea i hope he was joking.
romantic sessions with Jesus and the Holy Spirit yes.
even having dinner with Him. Yes.
flirting? no. the concept of flirting is enticing the other to conform to your needs/ desires. we shouldn't do this.
romancing? yes. this is unselfish drawing, just for the sake of being together. this should be with the heart, not with flattery. for example, you can notice the difference between flattery and romance in Christian worship songs. are they just talking about God, or truly loving God?
romantic sessions with Jesus and the Holy Spirit yes.
even having dinner with Him. Yes.
flirting? no. the concept of flirting is enticing the other to conform to your needs/ desires. we shouldn't do this.
romancing? yes. this is unselfish drawing, just for the sake of being together. this should be with the heart, not with flattery. for example, you can notice the difference between flattery and romance in Christian worship songs. are they just talking about God, or truly loving God?
God is love. The Holy Spirit, from my experience with Him, is the most sensitive entity I have ever encountered. He feels in ways which make me cringe at the things I do knowing that He is in my heart.
For what is love for another? Total concentration on that other, to seek to please Him and not to offend Him in our ways. Not that we are trying to please, that is, pleasing to gain from Him, but when we sense His displeasure we are devastated by the fact that we have let Him down or hurt Him in any way.
But He is given to us forever, never to be taken away. Many never come to understand Him, His place in us. Many never open the lines of communication with Him to hear His thoughts and feelings.
What we have in the Holy Spirit is beyond words, a treasure unimaginable, a gift such as to take away our breath and leave us shaking and trembling with wonder and awe. God Himself, in His Spirit, has taken up residence in our hearts, for one reason only, to be close to us, to be with us forever. How we deal with the Spirit is truly how we deal with God.
For what is love for another? Total concentration on that other, to seek to please Him and not to offend Him in our ways. Not that we are trying to please, that is, pleasing to gain from Him, but when we sense His displeasure we are devastated by the fact that we have let Him down or hurt Him in any way.
But He is given to us forever, never to be taken away. Many never come to understand Him, His place in us. Many never open the lines of communication with Him to hear His thoughts and feelings.
What we have in the Holy Spirit is beyond words, a treasure unimaginable, a gift such as to take away our breath and leave us shaking and trembling with wonder and awe. God Himself, in His Spirit, has taken up residence in our hearts, for one reason only, to be close to us, to be with us forever. How we deal with the Spirit is truly how we deal with God.
M
He would much rather we spend time with Him in our prayer closet!!
I've heard of some that have done the 'dinner thing' and don't really see anything wrong with it.
But when it comes to flirting? Ahhh...no! The whole concept of 'flirthing' speaks of 'enticement', 'luring', and manipulation. We do not have to entice the Holy Spirit to be with us, nor lure Him or manipulate Him.
The guy is off-base...and sounds like he's been listening to Jeff Jansen or Joshua Mills.....not that they don't love the Lord, but some of their teachings....I just don't agree with.
Maggie
I've heard of some that have done the 'dinner thing' and don't really see anything wrong with it.
But when it comes to flirting? Ahhh...no! The whole concept of 'flirthing' speaks of 'enticement', 'luring', and manipulation. We do not have to entice the Holy Spirit to be with us, nor lure Him or manipulate Him.
The guy is off-base...and sounds like he's been listening to Jeff Jansen or Joshua Mills.....not that they don't love the Lord, but some of their teachings....I just don't agree with.
Maggie
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Uh, this is really strange, and probably blasphemic. I'm not even sure where it would come from, although there is a lot of strange teaching out there. Worldly approaches to love don't apply here...
Really, we're bringing God down to our human level? Really? Come on. Not to mention this false teaching has the different types of love confused...it sounds more like Eros, and it shouldn't be.
Wait a second... loving God is not romantic love...
Romantic love is fleeting, and subjective. God's love is a commitment of the will beyond emotions, beyond our faithfulness to Him.
I won't sit down and have dinner with the Holy Spirit like we are on a date.. because He is more like a teacher and close friend, than a lover.
The Holy Spirit IS God..
It is right to be praising Him with joy and loving Him whole-heartedly.. but romantically? No.
David praised God with great feeling and emotion.. real love..but I don't remember reading about him treating God like a romantic lover.
So this is not sound doctrine.. it reminds me of some of the christian songs that get a bit wishy washy and mushy with Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. along the lines of using romantic language in praising Him.
The relationship the Holy Spirit has with His saved people, is in teaching, guiding, rebuking, sealing, comforting, discipling, etc.. these aren't the work of a romantic lover.... but like a good parent's love.. or a loving mentor.
Romantic love is fleeting, and subjective. God's love is a commitment of the will beyond emotions, beyond our faithfulness to Him.
I won't sit down and have dinner with the Holy Spirit like we are on a date.. because He is more like a teacher and close friend, than a lover.
The Holy Spirit IS God..
It is right to be praising Him with joy and loving Him whole-heartedly.. but romantically? No.
David praised God with great feeling and emotion.. real love..but I don't remember reading about him treating God like a romantic lover.
So this is not sound doctrine.. it reminds me of some of the christian songs that get a bit wishy washy and mushy with Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. along the lines of using romantic language in praising Him.
The relationship the Holy Spirit has with His saved people, is in teaching, guiding, rebuking, sealing, comforting, discipling, etc.. these aren't the work of a romantic lover.... but like a good parent's love.. or a loving mentor.
E
Hi,
God is Love. God made us. God knows every intimate detail of our psychology our health our attitudes.
No I have not had dinner with God or Jesus in the sense portrayed. I do say grace before a meal and this has saved me from becoming ill on two occasions I am aware of.
I think it lasted 3 days. The Holy Spirit moved in me. He played me as if I were a grand piano. My body was undescribeably alive. At one point I could ask questions. Yes was indicated by a surge in a beautiful feeling. No was accompanied by an unusual emptiness. I was so ashamed of myself because I ran out of questions very early. No I don't remember any of the questions I asked. This happened very early in my walk. I do not remember if it was before or after Jesus called me. I concluded from this that the bodies ability to respond to stimulus from whatever source, drugs, emotional,self generated (like infatuated) or sexual activity is a shadow of the joy of living in a loving relationship with Christ in God in the new world.
I spoke to my pastor about this and he said he had that experience twice. Maybe 8 years have gone by and I have only experienced this once. But it is absolutely memorable.
I did not ask for this experience, I did not know it existed, I cannot bring on this experience
love
edwin.
God is Love. God made us. God knows every intimate detail of our psychology our health our attitudes.
No I have not had dinner with God or Jesus in the sense portrayed. I do say grace before a meal and this has saved me from becoming ill on two occasions I am aware of.
I think it lasted 3 days. The Holy Spirit moved in me. He played me as if I were a grand piano. My body was undescribeably alive. At one point I could ask questions. Yes was indicated by a surge in a beautiful feeling. No was accompanied by an unusual emptiness. I was so ashamed of myself because I ran out of questions very early. No I don't remember any of the questions I asked. This happened very early in my walk. I do not remember if it was before or after Jesus called me. I concluded from this that the bodies ability to respond to stimulus from whatever source, drugs, emotional,self generated (like infatuated) or sexual activity is a shadow of the joy of living in a loving relationship with Christ in God in the new world.
I spoke to my pastor about this and he said he had that experience twice. Maybe 8 years have gone by and I have only experienced this once. But it is absolutely memorable.
I did not ask for this experience, I did not know it existed, I cannot bring on this experience
love
edwin.
R
Wattie, I'm sorry you haven't experienced romance with God. But without this romance, I don't know if I would have turned to God in the first place. God romances me with nature and His creation. The beauty of it screams of His love. God tries all He can to get our attention - going to any lengths, even allowing us to make mistakes and allowing terrible things to happen, all for His glory and for our good.
John Eldredge speaks of romance with God well. How everything we see that is beautiful and catches our eye is made from God for that moment, for us, so that we would notice Him.
Personally, I am awed by flowers and trees - how something so small and detailed and beautiful can be created, but also how magnificent and majestic a tree is made out of the tiniest seed. God and I have a great time talking outside. I actually stay up so late on nights like these so that I can get some peace and a cool breeze while I stare at His creation and talk with Him. This is romance to me.
We have to remember that any objective, emotion, or description, when attached to God, is not in accordance with how the world views it. We see anger in a human form. God's anger is perfect. And though we know this, it's very difficult to grasp sometimes. We see love in a human form, which is.. well.. very partial and mostly selfish. But God's love is perfect and I don't believe any of us fully understand that. We see romance in a human form, which is, as you well said, fleeting and subjective. But God's romance in perfect. Our narrow worldviews and how we define things skew our vision of who God really is.
Not to mention, Jesus is the groom and we are the bride.. and He treats us as the bride; loving and protecting us. His feelings for us are greater than a groom for His bride. He longs for us. And as a husband should continue to woo his wife, Jesus continues to woo us long after we accept Him as our Savior. I wouldn't be still following Him if it wasn't for His wooing. He draws me in. This is romance to me.
John Eldredge speaks of romance with God well. How everything we see that is beautiful and catches our eye is made from God for that moment, for us, so that we would notice Him.
Personally, I am awed by flowers and trees - how something so small and detailed and beautiful can be created, but also how magnificent and majestic a tree is made out of the tiniest seed. God and I have a great time talking outside. I actually stay up so late on nights like these so that I can get some peace and a cool breeze while I stare at His creation and talk with Him. This is romance to me.
We have to remember that any objective, emotion, or description, when attached to God, is not in accordance with how the world views it. We see anger in a human form. God's anger is perfect. And though we know this, it's very difficult to grasp sometimes. We see love in a human form, which is.. well.. very partial and mostly selfish. But God's love is perfect and I don't believe any of us fully understand that. We see romance in a human form, which is, as you well said, fleeting and subjective. But God's romance in perfect. Our narrow worldviews and how we define things skew our vision of who God really is.
Not to mention, Jesus is the groom and we are the bride.. and He treats us as the bride; loving and protecting us. His feelings for us are greater than a groom for His bride. He longs for us. And as a husband should continue to woo his wife, Jesus continues to woo us long after we accept Him as our Savior. I wouldn't be still following Him if it wasn't for His wooing. He draws me in. This is romance to me.
M
I"ve learned that the Nephiilim/Giants, the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men are still roaming the earth today. The sons of God, Watcher angels, came/come to earth. Some lust and go into human woman, others do not. THose that do not are able to return to the throne room of God. Those that sin are forever earthbound and must live out their existance on the earth, unless a Christian understanding their authority were to command one they encounter to go to hell/Tartarus...literally. Their goal, now that they have lost heaven and have become servants of satan, is to populate the earth with Nephilim and thwart God's plans for the return of Christ. Many people have Nephilim blood, but if it is 50% or less, they can be save and their own blood purified by the blood of Christ. Those of 50% cannot be saved and are destined for hell.
Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."This is WAY AFTER the Flood! They are still here.
Maggie
Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."This is WAY AFTER the Flood! They are still here.
Maggie
Wait so, for some number of people on this Earth simply because of no fault of their own just through lineage, they cant be saved? Because of Nephilim? Sooo the only whole verse from 2 Peter 3:9 of The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Is that false to you, sense obviously your "nephilim" ancestors have no hope? Or do ya think just for a minute that maybe youre a little off you rocker?
M
No, not at atll. Are you understanding that Nephilim are NOT even 50% human? Chist came to save MAN, not rebellious angels or their half-breed offspring. Nephilim are 50% fallen angels and because of that they are forever unclean and rebellious. Life is in the blood and only 50% of their blood could even possibly be cleansed by the blood of Christ, leaving them still 50% rebellious spiritual creatures. There are people that will not be saved, scripture says so. Those with 50% Nephilim blood will not be saved. Those will less than that, can, though with much difficulty, come to Christ and be saved and subitt themselves to Christ. God IS merciful and gracious to those that seek Him. The nephilim and half-breeds will not seek Him , but will seek power from satan so aso to control the earth. The nephilim wil not repent, they are willful servants of satan.
People perish for lack of knowledge...Hos 4:6 and also Prov 5:23, 7:7, 9:16, 10:21. FIVE times we're told that in the OT, and again in the NT. Knowledge of God, His kingdom, and the spiriutal realm is crucial to DOING the word of God.
Maggie
Oh...and if you haven't studied these things for yourself, don't be so quick to judge what is posted as 'off the rocker'.
People perish for lack of knowledge...Hos 4:6 and also Prov 5:23, 7:7, 9:16, 10:21. FIVE times we're told that in the OT, and again in the NT. Knowledge of God, His kingdom, and the spiriutal realm is crucial to DOING the word of God.
Maggie
Oh...and if you haven't studied these things for yourself, don't be so quick to judge what is posted as 'off the rocker'.
well basically youre math is off as well you said nephilim are not even half human, but if Nephilim are 50% fallen angel then it goes to show they are 50% human as well. so someone with 50% nephilim bllod would actually be a grandchild of the original fallen angel. Which leaves only 25% of their 'blood' would be from the original fallen angels yet 75% from other sources. Mainly because Nephilim itself is also a subsource.
So lets do this numerically.
1 Fallen Angel = 100f
1 Human= 100h
so this gives the nephilim a ratio of 1:1 or 50f/50h. (50f/50h is the only form nephilim blood can take)
Now say this Nephilim we have created for this example now mates with another human
nephilim blood is 50f/50h
Human 100h again
this leaves with a total ratio of 25f/75h so even on a nephilims one offspring they are 75% human/25% fallen angel
This proves nothing can have 50% nephilim blood except for the rare mating of two exclusive nephilim.
So if nephilims are the true halfbreeds...which they are, they by your reasoning would logically be the only ones who cnnot get saved. Even a nephilims child with a human is majority human and over your 50% qualifier...so savable.
Even then though this still goes back to Sins of the Father, which I dont think is taken seriously anymore by most Christians. My father's sins do not in any way affect my personal relationship with Christ.
So there, save for a very small sub-sector of possibly still existing creatures, this nephilim argument is pointless. What will really blow your mind maggie is that you are part nephilim. Science has gotten it down to the level that all humans on Earth are at most 50th cousins...so there is even an unknown quantity of nephilim blood in yourself. WoW!! I sur ehope it isnt over 50%, wouldnt that be ironic?
So lets do this numerically.
1 Fallen Angel = 100f
1 Human= 100h
so this gives the nephilim a ratio of 1:1 or 50f/50h. (50f/50h is the only form nephilim blood can take)
Now say this Nephilim we have created for this example now mates with another human
nephilim blood is 50f/50h
Human 100h again
this leaves with a total ratio of 25f/75h so even on a nephilims one offspring they are 75% human/25% fallen angel
This proves nothing can have 50% nephilim blood except for the rare mating of two exclusive nephilim.
So if nephilims are the true halfbreeds...which they are, they by your reasoning would logically be the only ones who cnnot get saved. Even a nephilims child with a human is majority human and over your 50% qualifier...so savable.
Even then though this still goes back to Sins of the Father, which I dont think is taken seriously anymore by most Christians. My father's sins do not in any way affect my personal relationship with Christ.
So there, save for a very small sub-sector of possibly still existing creatures, this nephilim argument is pointless. What will really blow your mind maggie is that you are part nephilim. Science has gotten it down to the level that all humans on Earth are at most 50th cousins...so there is even an unknown quantity of nephilim blood in yourself. WoW!! I sur ehope it isnt over 50%, wouldnt that be ironic?