correct my summary

Titus called Jesus "our Savior and God".
Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and My God!"
John says that "the Word was God".
Hebrews says that God said of Jesus, "let all the angels worship Him."
The Magi came to worship Jesus.
The leper worshipped Him, the ruler worshipped Him, the disciples in the boat worshipped Him, the Canaanite woman worshipped Him, the disciples worshipped the risen Jesus, the Genneserat demoniac worshipped Him, the blind man whom Jesus healed worshipped Him.

Jesus Himself said, "You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only." Yet he corrected none of those who worshipped Him.

His deity is pretty clear to me.

[livingbygrace]

Originally Posted by phil36

Tired here myself, but another few hours to go yet before nightshift is over.

Blessings

Phil

I see little point in replying to all of your comments. If you wish to say that I commit heresy for following what the Bible plainly says that is your right, but personally I would be terrified to say such a thing to anyone who simply believed the word of God.

You say the words of the Father were spoken through Jesus because Jesus was diety: Jesus is God Himself and it is because Jesus and the Father are one

At that time you will be given what to say for it will not be you speaking but the Spirt of your Father speaking through you. Matt10:20

I will leave you to consider the implications of what you say

You ask who taught me and say please don't be sanctimonious and say. 'I taught myself.'

No-one can teach themselves, not truth anyway. The only true Christian theology comes from the Holy Spirit.

I learnt a great lesson when I was younger. I had been to a church that said proudly that it stood on the inerrant word of God, and that we must accept the Bible and not pick and choose what we believe. As a child I believed they were telling me the full truth of God's word. But a few years later when I read the Bible for myself I found out they hadn't. Much plainly written scripture(and some you believe) had been ignored. Critical scripture for salvation and victory in the Christian life.

After that I never went by man, but, someone obviosly completely led of the Holy Spirit, that is different . On the UK Christian chat site there is a Spirit filled woman on there. I copy most of her comments to my computer and have learnt much from her words. But they are the words of truth the Spirit has given her.


Why do you think people mainly look to others considered great Christian theologians or scholars? Is there first thought. 'That person is mightily led of the Holy Spirit? Or is it because such people are deep thinkers and have great earthly human intellect?

To me when we read a book like the Bible, we start from the plain simple statements within it. And that includes obviously Christ's own words. We accept them, and when statements are then written that we believe (or the men we follow believe) suggests something else we come in prayer and ask to be shown the truth. But you and many others do not do this. You ignore the plain staements on this subject and rely on others that appear to you to contradict them. That is somewhat strange to me.

BTW

I am not the only person who believes Christ is not God Himself. Paul Didn't, he said so plainly. But as you will not believe Paul you will obviously not believe anything I say. Therre are thre or four people on the UK Christian website who believe as I do, and yes we get maligned. But who persecuted Jesus and was responsible for his death? And who told Christ he was possessed by demons Religious people

You asked why the Jews wanted Jesus killed.

Well they were Jealous of Him, and many refused to turn to him because they loved the praise of man more than caring what God thought. But I will simply repeast their own words.

And the High priest answered and said unto him. I adjure thee befoire the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God
Jesus answered. 'Thou hast said. Nevertheless I say unto you. Hereafter shall you see me the Son of man sitting oin the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of Heaven.
Then the High Priest rent his clothes. He hath spoken blasphemy. What further need have we of witnesses? Behold now ye have heard his blaspheme
What think ye. They answered and said. 'He is guily of death. Matt26:63-66

Why didn't they ask Jesus if he was God Himself?

But what about you? Who do you say I am?
Simon Peter answered. 'You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Jesus replied. Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah, for this was not reveasled to you by man but by my Father in Heaven. Matt16:15-17

But to you I am a heretic for simply believing that



I will leave you with your human reasoning and following of man, this converstation is pointless

God Bless

[VW]

There is no doubt in my heart or my mind that Jesus is God. How different people understand thisis as different as people are different. No matter how clear scripture may seem to say one thing to one person, to another it says something else. This is not a fault, either with scripture or the people reading. How can there be fault? Were there not 12 disciples, each with his own understanding of who and what Jesus is? Are there not 4 accounts of His ministry, each unique and distinct? Are there not differing letters by different apostles, each with their own emphasis? The question we must answer of others is simple. Do they hold Jesus as Lord? As risen from the dead? As the love of their heart? If the answer is yes, then they have the Spirit of God in them, and they are of Jesus Christ and of us.

Every thought that tries to bring division is looked on by our enemy as something he supports, but is really an opportunity for us to grow closer in Jesus if we walk in and by His Spirit. And if we do, the Lord Jesus is glorified in us, and we are glorified in Him.

In His love,

[livingbygrace]

Originally Posted by VW

There is no doubt in my heart or my mind that Jesus is God. How different people understand thisis as different as people are different. No matter how clear scripture may seem to say one thing to one person, to another it says something else. This is not a fault, either with scripture or the people reading. How can there be fault? Were there not 12 disciples, each with his own understanding of who and what Jesus is? Are there not 4 accounts of His ministry, each unique and distinct? Are there not differing letters by different apostles, each with their own emphasis? The question we must answer of others is simple. Do they hold Jesus as Lord? As risen from the dead? As the love of their heart? If the answer is yes, then they have the Spirit of God in them, and they are of Jesus Christ and of us.

Every thought that tries to bring division is looked on by our enemy as something he supports, but is really an opportunity for us to grow closer in Jesus if we walk in and by His Spirit. And if we do, the Lord Jesus is glorified in us, and we are glorified in Him.

In His love,

VW

There is nmuch truth in what you say and I am grateful that you do not call people who believe as I do anathema and heretics.

John said if we believe Jesus is the Son of God God lives in us and we in God.

If people wish to take it further than that that is up to them. But believing Jesus to be the Son of God and that he died for our sins at Calvary is the Basis of the Christian faith. And that is the rock on which Christianity stands

Originally Posted by livingbygrace

VW

There is nmuch truth in what you say and I am grateful that you do not call people who believe as I do anathema and heretics.

John said if we believe Jesus is the Son of God God lives in us and we in God.

If people wish to take it further than that that is up to them. But believing Jesus to be the Son of God and that he died for our sins at Calvary is the Basis of the Christian faith. And that is the rock on which Christianity stands

Amen, Praise God!!

" I Be"

[VW]

Originally Posted by livingbygrace

VW

There is nmuch truth in what you say and I am grateful that you do not call people who believe as I do anathema and heretics.

John said if we believe Jesus is the Son of God God lives in us and we in God.

If people wish to take it further than that that is up to them. But believing Jesus to be the Son of God and that he died for our sins at Calvary is the Basis of the Christian faith. And that is the rock on which Christianity stands

When I say that I believe that Jesus is God, it is understood that He is the Son, and not the Father. I pray to both, as distinct persons. And Jesus serves the Father, had commandments from the Father.

So I agree with you, believe like you, but don't consider that to be the basis of calling another who believes differently a heretic. There is not on moment of support for such an action from the Holy Spirit.

Blessings in His love brother,
Vic

[Consumed]

Originally Posted by VW

So I agree with you, believe like you, but don't consider that to be the basis of calling another who believes differently a heretic. There is not on moment of support for such an action from the Holy Spirit.

Blessings in His love brother,
Vic

brother well said amen

[VW]

Originally Posted by Consumed

brother well said amen

And please understand that I am not saying that livingbygrace has done so. I believe that he thinks like I do on this.

[Consumed]

bro i thought it was and is a great overall statement brother for all us to adhere to,

[phil36]

Originally Posted by VW

There is no doubt in my heart or my mind that Jesus is God. How different people understand thisis as different as people are different. No matter how clear scripture may seem to say one thing to one person, to another it says something else. This is not a fault, either with scripture or the people reading. How can there be fault? Were there not 12 disciples, each with his own understanding of who and what Jesus is? Are there not 4 accounts of His ministry, each unique and distinct? Are there not differing letters by different apostles, each with their own emphasis? The question we must answer of others is simple. Do they hold Jesus as Lord? As risen from the dead? As the love of their heart? If the answer is yes, then they have the Spirit of God in them, and they are of Jesus Christ and of us.

Every thought that tries to bring division is looked on by our enemy as something he supports, but is really an opportunity for us to grow closer in Jesus if we walk in and by His Spirit. And if we do, the Lord Jesus is glorified in us, and we are glorified in Him.

In His love,

VW, your analogy of the 4 gospels, different letters by different letters does not stand firm. Scripture in its entirity gives us the fulness of God.

What you have just basically said is that there are many beliefs just as there where many apostles/gopsels/ and epistles.. but what you don't seem to grasp is that some of these people do not worship Jesus as Lord.. infact, if you you do not accept the triune God, you are actually following a false God, or atleast one made up from Human minds..and not from the truth of Scripture which I know from times past you do not hold in high esteem.

Consumed you seem to follow a pattern that we just live and let live, wrong teaching doesnt matter, it'll all work out in the end.. This is dangerous thinking. heresy is heresy. no matter how it is dressed in the shop window!

Living by grace, none of your posts make any sense when tested against scripture... You have already stated that you have been called a heretic on other Christian websites and there seems to be a common denominator.. and that is your false beliefs.


Blessings

Phil

[livingbygrace]

Originally Posted by phil36

VW, your analogy of the 4 gospels, different letters by different letters does not stand firm. Scripture in its entirity gives us the fulness of God.

What you have just basically said is that there are many beliefs just as there where many apostles/gopsels/ and epistles.. but what you don't seem to grasp is that some of these people do not worship Jesus as Lord.. infact, if you you do not accept the triune God, you are actually following a false God, or atleast one made up from Human minds..and not from the truth of Scripture which I know from times past you do not hold in high esteem.

Consumed you seem to follow a pattern that we just live and let live, wrong teaching doesnt matter, it'll all work out in the end.. This is dangerous thinking. heresy is heresy. no matter how it is dressed in the shop window!

Living by grace, none of your posts make any sense when tested against scripture... You have already stated that you have been called a heretic on other Christian websites and there seems to be a common denominator.. and that is your false beliefs.


Blessings

Phil

At least I do not ignore the plain words of Christ, the Apostle Paul, the Father and John in order to formulate and keep my beliefs.

[Red33]

Originally Posted by VW

I think what I am trying to say is that if we always follow scripture, rather than the Spirit, then we will end up making enemies and not building the church. This may sound trite, but the letter kills, while the Spirit gives life. Please don't think that I am accusing you of killing, nor am I trying to throw out the scriptures, but rather that we do walk in love.

I look at those whom Jesus was displeased with by their doctrine, those he called heretics. And I see that it had nothing to do with their views of who or what God is, but on how they acted towards others, on their lack of love for God or for their brothers. They used their knowledge of the scriptures to hold others in contempt and disdain, because this pleased their self image and ego and quest for power.

I find that love will change a mind because it changes the heart. It is after all how God opened the doorway to our hearts.

Blessings in His love,
vic

There is always merit to the written letter of God's word and never forget that. We know that the law is holy, just and good (Rom 7:12) and the written letter of the law has told us to not commit adultery (Ex 20:14). That is a holy command that has come from the finger of God (Ex 31:18) and has not been done away with (Jm 2:10,11). Look at what happen to people, whether believers or people of a society, that violate that written letter of a mandate. They will suffer, in a measure, the wages of their sin, the effects of sin and the reaping of corruption and a wound that will not go away (Prov 6:32,33). All this will take its course in the life of the one who has transgressed. The way of the transgressor is hard (Prov 13:15). God is not condemning the person but it's the result of making the wrong decision in your body (1Cor 6:18). Without that written letter we would not have known what adultery was let alone committing it (Rom 7:7).

If the Holy Spirit is grieved within me as a believer and I am tempted with adultery, I have the written letter that is in my conscience and in my heart (Rom 2:15) to instruct me to not give place. Even though the Spirit is grieved within me, the written letter of the law has given me what I need to not conceive sin or continue in it by making sin exceedingly sinful (Rom 7:12,13). So even the written letter of the law, that is in me, is a measure of grace so that sin will not abound in my life (Rom 5:20). I might not be walking in the Spirit to keep me from fulfilling the lust of the flesh but I am responding to the written letter to keep lust from conceiving in me and bringing forth more sin (Jm 1:13-15). As a believer I am to walk in the Spirit (Gal 5:16) and I am under grace and not the law (Rom 6:14-16), but if I am not walking in the Spirit, thank God for the goodness of the law that has been given and has the written authority to keep me from sin if I obey it. God is not displeased if I obey the law that discourages me from sin, but the law does not define my righteousness that has been imputed to me without the works of the law (Gal 2:16, Rom 4;1-6). When I obeyed the law it did nothing to justify me but it did keep me from sin and thank God for the law. Does the law give wrong or sinful instructions when it tells us not to commit adultery, not to kill, not to covet, or not to steal or bare false witness (Rom 3:19)? No, not at all. We actually feel safe with these commands and have peace living in that kind of environment. However, if I sin the law must condemn me because it has no power to restore me through mercy and grace. The righteousness of the law demands the penalty for violating it and being found by the law as a transgressor (Jm 2:11).

So the Lamb of God came and without sin fulfilled the righteousness of the law. On the cross he took upon his body all our sin and through the shedding of his blood and through death paid the penalty for all our unrighteousness that included transgressing the law. He became sin on the cross and put away all sin by crucifying it and made the works of the law obsolete (Rom 10:4). No longer did man have to keep the works of the law for righteousness and no longer was man justified by the works of the law (Gal 2:16). Through the Lamb man could believe unto righteousness by faith (Rom 10:10) and be justified by grace and through the blood of the Lamb (Rom 3:24, 5:9). We are no longer under the law but under grace because of the finished work of the Lamb upon the cross (Jn 19:30). We do not have to fulfill the law because we are in the one who fulfilled it. All we do is abide in him who is our righteousness (1Cor 1:30). Our righteousness comes from him through grace and by faith when we believe. Our only work is to believe upon the Son, the one that God sent (Jn 6:29).

[VW]

Originally Posted by phil36

VW, your analogy of the 4 gospels, different letters by different letters does not stand firm. Scripture in its entirity gives us the fulness of God.

What you have just basically said is that there are many beliefs just as there where many apostles/gopsels/ and epistles.. but what you don't seem to grasp is that some of these people do not worship Jesus as Lord.. infact, if you you do not accept the triune God, you are actually following a false God, or atleast one made up from Human minds..and not from the truth of Scripture which I know from times past you do not hold in high esteem.

Consumed you seem to follow a pattern that we just live and let live, wrong teaching doesnt matter, it'll all work out in the end.. This is dangerous thinking. heresy is heresy. no matter how it is dressed in the shop window!

Living by grace, none of your posts make any sense when tested against scripture... You have already stated that you have been called a heretic on other Christian websites and there seems to be a common denominator.. and that is your false beliefs.


Blessings

Phil

I believe the scriptures, because they testify of Jesus Christ, but I do not believe in the scriptures, because I believe in Jesus Christ, who is my life. The scriptures are not my life, and indeed, they cannot give me eternal life. Only Jesus can do that.

Now, what heresy do you accuse me of?

[Red33]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

Re: heresies.
1. First, for those who dislike the word, perhaps hetero-orthodox might function in some cases. It means to hold an view other than the orthodox view. (I know our orthodox brother will like that, he can call us all hetero-orthodox, lol.)
2. There are three different issues we must consider when looking at unorthodox views:
First, there are the honest disagreements between Christians. These most often occur because two Christians will see different aspects of the same issue.
Second, there are beliefs that are imbalanced. These views are correctable but not immediate matters of salvation.
Third, there are belief systems that oppose Biblical salvation. Those who hold these views are practicing a different faith than Christianity. We must be concerned and respond to these for the sake of those enslaved in such systems and for the sake of those who might be swayed by them.
2. In all three cases, our goal is not to prove ourselves right. Response must have love at the heart of it and the salvation and strengthening of others as our goal.

The God we see in Genesis is the same God we see in Revelations. God has provided the same salvation for all people beginning from Adam to the time of the new heaven and earth. There is only one Savior (Is 43:11) and one salvation in none other (Acts 4:12). There is only one God and one trinity (Deut 6:4, Mk 12:29,32, Mt 28:19, 1Jn 5:7) the body of Christ is one body (Eph 4:4), the law is one law (Jm 2:10) with one law giver (Jm 4:12) and the word of God that makes up all scripture is one and can not be broken (Jn 10:35) given to us by inspiration from one Spirit (2Tim 3:16, Eph 4:4). Because of this we are to have the same mind and the same judgments one to another (Rom 12:16, 1Cor 1:10). We are to have one faith (Eph 4:4,5, 2Pt 1:1) in one Lord, with one baptism and one hope. This is why we can not add or take away from the words that we have been given (Prov 30:6, Rev 22:18). God does not provide for his people any room for disagreement. When God said, 'Let us reason together', that was to win over the hearer to be in agreement with him (Is 1:18-20). If we disagree with him then we are not in agreement. If we do not agree with those that he has sent, we are not in agreement. If we do not walk in the light as he is in the light we do not have fellowship (1Jn 1:7). Fellowship is based upon agreement with God. How can two people walk together unless they be agreed (Amos 3:3).

God has provided teachers for a reason (Eph 4:11,12). When we refuse to be taught by them and submit ourselves to what they teach (Heb 13:17) then we are not in agreement with God. This is where the mind starts to wander into things like, 'What if they teach false doctrine, do I have to follow or listen to that'? 'If they have failed in any way that includes sin, do I have to listen to them if they have not repented?' If I am an itinerant preacher and goes around the world preaching and teaching and I have not been sent out by a local church, as they did in the book of Acts (Acts 11:22, 13:2,3, 15:27), then I am not in agreement with God, his word, his Spirit nor his body. If a God appointed pastor/teacher gets off and starts to preach things that are not in agreement with God, God will deal with them because he is the one that appointed them (Eph 4:11, Rom 14:4). It is not my duty or calling to point out their bad teachings, poor judgments, their mistakes or even their sin. That is not how the love of God operates. I am to pray for them (Heb 13:17,18) and believe the best by esteeming them in love for their work's sake (1Thes 5:12,13). The love of God thinks no evil (1Cor 13:6) and ministers grace from the heart and covers sin because God is able to make them stand (Prov 17:9, Jm 5:20, 1Pt 4:8). That is being in agreement with God. If we do otherwise then we are not in agreement, we are not walking in the light and we have no fellowship. Those false teachers that have not been appointed by God, that have not the Spirit (2Pt 2:1-3, Jude 19) and are not in agreement with God, we expose them and their unfruitful works (Eph 5:11-13) by teaching the truth as we have been taught by the Holy Spirit and through those that God has appointed to the church. If we were to seek out those teachers that God has appointed with the same zeal that we seek the gifts, we would all be in the right place to receive from God, because God has promised that he would give pastor/teachers according to his heart (Jer 3:15).

[VW]

Originally Posted by Red33

There is always merit to the written letter of God's word and never forget that. We know that the law is holy, just and good (Rom 7:12) and the written letter of the law has told us to not commit adultery (Ex 20:14). That is a holy command that has come from the finger of God (Ex 31:18) and has not been done away with (Jm 2:10,11). Look at what happen to people, whether believers or people of a society, that violate that written letter of a mandate. They will suffer, in a measure, the wages of their sin, the effects of sin and the reaping of corruption and a wound that will not go away (Prov 6:32,33). All this will take its course in the life of the one who has transgressed. The way of the transgressor is hard (Prov 13:15). God is not condemning the person but it's the result of making the wrong decision in your body (1Cor 6:18). Without that written letter we would not have known what adultery was let alone committing it (Rom 7:7).

If the Holy Spirit is grieved within me as a believer and I am tempted with adultery, I have the written letter that is in my conscience and in my heart (Rom 2:15) to instruct me to not give place. Even though the Spirit is grieved within me, the written letter of the law has given me what I need to not conceive sin or continue in it by making sin exceedingly sinful (Rom 7:12,13). So even the written letter of the law, that is in me, is a measure of grace so that sin will not abound in my life (Rom 5:20). I might not be walking in the Spirit to keep me from fulfilling the lust of the flesh but I am responding to the written letter to keep lust from conceiving in me and bringing forth more sin (Jm 1:13-15). As a believer I am to walk in the Spirit (Gal 5:16) and I am under grace and not the law (Rom 6:14-16), but if I am not walking in the Spirit, thank God for the goodness of the law that has been given and has the written authority to keep me from sin if I obey it. God is not displeased if I obey the law that discourages me from sin, but the law does not define my righteousness that has been imputed to me without the works of the law (Gal 2:16, Rom 4;1-6). When I obeyed the law it did nothing to justify me but it did keep me from sin and thank God for the law. Does the law give wrong or sinful instructions when it tells us not to commit adultery, not to kill, not to covet, or not to steal or bare false witness (Rom 3:19)? No, not at all. We actually feel safe with these commands and have peace living in that kind of environment. However, if I sin the law must condemn me because it has no power to restore me through mercy and grace. The righteousness of the law demands the penalty for violating it and being found by the law as a transgressor (Jm 2:11).

So the Lamb of God came and without sin fulfilled the righteousness of the law. On the cross he took upon his body all our sin and through the shedding of his blood and through death paid the penalty for all our unrighteousness that included transgressing the law. He became sin on the cross and put away all sin by crucifying it and made the works of the law obsolete (Rom 10:4). No longer did man have to keep the works of the law for righteousness and no longer was man justified by the works of the law (Gal 2:16). Through the Lamb man could believe unto righteousness by faith (Rom 10:10) and be justified by grace and through the blood of the Lamb (Rom 3:24, 5:9). We are no longer under the law but under grace because of the finished work of the Lamb upon the cross (Jn 19:30). We do not have to fulfill the law because we are in the one who fulfilled it. All we do is abide in him who is our righteousness (1Cor 1:30). Our righteousness comes from him through grace and by faith when we believe. Our only work is to believe upon the Son, the one that God sent (Jn 6:29).

I believe the scriptures, because they testify of Jesus Christ, but I do not believe in the scriptures, because I believe in Jesus Christ, who is my life. The scriptures are not my life, and indeed, they cannot give me eternal life. Only Jesus can do that.

Now, what heresy do you accuse me of?

[phil36]

Originally Posted by livingbygrace

At least I do not ignore the plain words of Christ, the Apostle Paul, the Father and John in order to formulate and keep my beliefs.

Ohh I think you do Livingbygrace, I think you do! as I said before you are the common denominator on this board and the other christians boards you frequent who say you follow you heresy, or as in your own words you have been called a heretic.



Blessings

Phil

[phil36]

Originally Posted by VW

I believe the scriptures, because they testify of Jesus Christ, but I do not believe in the scriptures, because I believe in Jesus Christ, who is my life. The scriptures are not my life, and indeed, they cannot give me eternal life. Only Jesus can do that.

Now, what heresy do you accuse me of?

Lol, was I accusing you of heresy. Why do people get so touchy when confronted with the truth?

We both have had conversations before over The Living word of God..ie. Scriptures!

I know you believe in Jesus, However, that was not what I saying if you re-read my post you will see that! What I was worried about is your anaology of how you use scripture to say that all VIEWS on the Godhead are relative! that was the point!

Blessings

Phil

[VW]

Originally Posted by phil36

Ohh I think you do Livingbygrace, I think you do! as I said before you are the common denominator on this board and the other christians boards you frequent who say you follow you heresy, or as in your own words you have been called a heretic.



Blessings

Phil

And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in Him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; not as Cain, who was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

[phil36]

Originally Posted by VW

And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in Him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; not as Cain, who was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

I hope VW that you are not trying to use this scripture to say that we should accept everything that someone says as truth even if it is plainly false..???? and if you are it shows you do not know your scripture.

You see VW, I know what you are trying to say, we should embrace all who say they are Christians.. even if it means embracing Heresies and false hoods....

There is a seriouse serious problem with the manner you have used scripture here, especially as you are trying to use it as a love all, love all teaching verse. Shame on you! your starting to sound more and more Unitarian as we go on.


Blessings

Phil

Originally Posted by phil36

Ohh I think you do Livingbygrace, I think you do! as I said before you are the common denominator on this board and the other christians boards you frequent who say you follow you heresy, or as in your own words you have been called a heretic.



Blessings

Phil

Father please