The Tower of Babel...a closer look

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Ricke

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Genesis Chapter 11 tells about how the people attempted to build a tower into Heaven, and how God destroyed their plans.

First, the Leader of this was a man called Nimrod who was the Nephew of Ham, one of the Three sons of Noah.(Genesis 10 gives the genealogy) First, let's read about Nimrod.

Genesis 10 v 9-10; "He was a mighty hunter before The Lord; wherefore it is said Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before The Lord. and the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."

He was a mighty hunter of both Animals and people's Devotion unto him. He was Charistmatic, and people loved this guy. He also built The Ancient City of Babylon and his wife Semaramis was about as Evil as Nimrod was. Interesting that according to one source who was once a Mason, Nimrod is considered their founder! Since this is heresay, and not based on scripture, I will leave that up each person. So let's now discuss what it says in scripture and The Tower of Babel..

Genesis 11....verse 1 "And the earth was of ONE Language, and of One Speech."

Verse 4 " and they said, go to, let us build us a city (Babylon) and a tower, those top may reach into heaven; and let us make a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole Earth."
Interesting they made a prophetic statement in the last sentance. That is exactly what God did in verses 7+8.

God saw their evil intentions (verse6), and be destroyed Nimrod's plans.

What was the plan? I firmly beleive this was a diabolical plan to "Unite" everyone under One Earthly leader (Nimrod) it was the very first attempt to put everyone under A Human leader, and put their hopes and dreams in him, instead of God Al.mighty.

Flash forward to 2010, we see the very same Diabolical plan now in play to do the same thing Nimrod tried to accomplish in ancient History. With Computers, and Nations now I.Der one currency (European Union) the Tri lateral commission, etc etc. It is slowly coming to pass....and will in the very near future.

OK your thoughts.....
 
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charisenexcelcis

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How would you interpret God's statement that if man was not stopped, that nothing would impossible for them.
 
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Ricke

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Excellent question David.

The Bible tells us in several scriptures; that the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it.? (Jeremiah 17.v 9) how we are all unrighteous, estranged from God the moment we are born. Only The Blood of Jesus can clean us up, and giving us a new self is the only way we can ever get it right.

Man may think he is Sharp minded, and One of the best in creating himself a wealthy portfolio and all that, but in Reality. God sees this man from inside out.

God can let The Devil destroy him, or let him live to A ripe old age, but if The Man does'nt come unto God before he dies, and asks to be forgiven, and spends his remaining days in service to the Lord, the Man is going to have a very rude awakening.
In answer to to your question David, I think will stop some things from happening and let's some things happen. Probably for his own purposes, if it did'nt make any sense to we Finite minded humans, it makes sense to our I.finite minded Jesus....
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Ricke said:
Excellent question David.

The Bible tells us in several scriptures; that the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it.? (Jeremiah 17.v 9) how we are all unrighteous, estranged from God the moment we are born. Only The Blood of Jesus can clean us up, and giving us a new self is the only way we can ever get it right.

Man may think he is Sharp minded, and One of the best in creating himself a wealthy portfolio and all that, but in Reality. God sees this man from inside out.

God can let The Devil destroy him, or let him live to A ripe old age, but if The Man does'nt come unto God before he dies, and asks to be forgiven, and spends his remaining days in service to the Lord, the Man is going to have a very rude awakening.
In answer to to your question David, I think will stop some things from happening and let's some things happen. Probably for his own purposes, if it did'nt make any sense to we Finite minded humans, it makes sense to our I.finite minded Jesus....
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I was thinking that He was refering to man's infinite capacity for evil. We have a saying at the prison: when two inmates get together they are five times as bad. Mankind is the same. When we put our heads together there is no limit to the evil we can commit.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
I was thinking that He was refering to man's infinite capacity for evil. We have a saying at the prison: when two inmates get together they are five times as bad. Mankind is the same. When we put our heads together there is no limit to the evil we can commit.
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Hi charisenexcelcis,
May I toss this thought into the ring. I believe nothing would be impossible for man and Satan has the same belief and that is why satan opposes God. It is because the Holy Spirit is available to all through faith. To misuse the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme. Jesus said if you wanted to move the mountain you only had to belief just a little. Jesus healed by bellef. Love and faith are the means to authority through God, faith only to ruin. Jesus only did those things which were obedient to God .Jesus never used his faith to its limits. Beware those doing mighty things for their own ambition. Mighty things will be done.
love
edwin
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Hi charisenexcelcis,
May I toss this thought into the ring. I believe nothing would be impossible for man and Satan has the same belief and that is why satan opposes God. It is because the Holy Spirit is available to all through faith. To misuse the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme. Jesus said if you wanted to move the mountain you only had to belief just a little. Jesus healed by bellef. Love and faith are the means to authority through God, faith only to ruin. Jesus only did those things which were obedient to God .Jesus never used his faith to its limits. Beware those doing mighty things for their own ambition. Mighty things will be done.
love
edwin
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Wouldn't that make the Holy Spirit a pawn of man and of evil?
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Wouldn't that make the Holy Spirit a pawn of man and of evil?
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Hi charisenexcelcis,
It makes the Holy Spirit subject to faith. In our life we see many things being abused. I think that is why there is such protection given to the Holy Spirit. You can say and do what you like about our Father and His Son, Jesus (who by the way seems to be the only God who is a swear word) but there is this protection of the beautiful Holy Spirit. These are random thoughts I have. I do not claim any special teaching on this issue.
Regarding the Tower of Babel, the other scary thought I have is the now centralisation of languages, especially of English.
love
edwin.
 
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Now its not called babel its called self righteousness.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Hi charisenexcelcis,
May I toss this thought into the ring. I believe nothing would be impossible for man and Satan has the same belief and that is why satan opposes God. It is because the Holy Spirit is available to all through faith. To misuse the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme. Jesus said if you wanted to move the mountain you only had to belief just a little. Jesus healed by bellef. Love and faith are the means to authority through God, faith only to ruin. Jesus only did those things which were obedient to God .Jesus never used his faith to its limits. Beware those doing mighty things for their own ambition. Mighty things will be done.
love
edwin
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It is not faith in fath, but faith in God. Jesus was accused of casting out demons by Satan's power. He said that a house divided will not stand. I think you would run into the same problem if anyone with faith in anything could tape into the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Ricke

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David

In answer to your question regarding the Holy Ghost being part of a man's evil, a definite no.

If a man truly has The Spirit of God, he will refrain from doing Evil. Let us however forth sake of comparison, show a man, who say has God's Spirit, then decides to go against that Holy Spirit and say enter into an Adulterous affair, pushing aside the Holy Ghost resistance to this Sin. God can and will remove his Spirit from this person, unless they Repent again, and leave the sinning alone. God will never be a partaker of Sin, by leaving his Spirit inside a blatant sinner.

People who blatantly sin after God has forgiven them, can lose The Holy Ghost if they don't turn back toward God. Some get worse and worse and never come back, Many do however, and God forgives them. Satan is called "The accuser of The Brethren" He stands before God 24/7 accusing and pointing fingers at us. His job is to defeat our will to stay faithful after conversion. He will try every trick in his playbook, until he finds our main weakness then exploit It hoping we fail God.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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charisenexcelcis said:
I was thinking that He was refering to man's infinite capacity for evil. We have a saying at the prison: when two inmates get together they are five times as bad. Mankind is the same. When we put our heads together there is no limit to the evil we can commit.
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Nicely stated. One of the reasons mankind's years were shortened was to restrain the amount of evil people who reject God could accomplish in their lifetimes.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Ricke said:
David

In answer to your question regarding the Holy Ghost being part of a man's evil, a definite no.

If a man truly has The Spirit of God, he will refrain from doing Evil. Let us however forth sake of comparison, show a man, who say has God's Spirit, then decides to go against that Holy Spirit and say enter into an Adulterous affair, pushing aside the Holy Ghost resistance to this Sin. God can and will remove his Spirit from this person, unless they Repent again, and leave the sinning alone. God will never be a partaker of Sin, by leaving his Spirit inside a blatant sinner.

People who blatantly sin after God has forgiven them, can lose The Holy Ghost if they don't turn back toward God. Some get worse and worse and never come back, Many do however, and God forgives them. Satan is called "The accuser of The Brethren" He stands before God 24/7 accusing and pointing fingers at us. His job is to defeat our will to stay faithful after conversion. He will try every trick in his playbook, until he finds our main weakness then exploit It hoping we fail God.
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You must have misunderstood my post. My point is that man's ability to do "anything" is refering to his aptitude for evil. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit will be a part of evil, because He is God.
 
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Ricke

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Sorry David for the mis understanding. I agree with your point however...
 
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ed

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charisenexcelcis said:
It is not faith in fath, but faith in God. Jesus was accused of casting out demons by Satan's power. He said that a house divided will not stand. I think you would run into the same problem if anyone with faith in anything could tape into the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Hi charisenexcelcis,
I have been to "Christian " services where they claim their gift is raising the dead and claim around 30% success rate. I hear of people digging up dead bodies and practisiing on them. I hear of Christian who keep trying to heal and believe the reason they can't heal is their lack of faith and so they go to extraordinary lengths to practise their faith at everyones expense. Business leaders preach faith to gain wealth. Preaching of faith is now a common experience. The carnal world has left God and Jesus out of the equation.
I like your phrase and hope you let me use it here. It is not faith in faith to us but the carnal world is trying to make it so. Jesus seems to have verified that faith can do these things.But he himself did not do anything except what he saw His Father do. Is the earth an image ( as was the tabernacle) of what is already in heaven? Some mystery.
love
edwin
 
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