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In my youith I went to a Pentecostal church. There was great emphasis on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately I grew up believing you had to be good enough to receive it. I found years later this is not the case.
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. In England there are two Pentecostal churches. Elim and Assemblies of God(AOG)
Elim say that when you are baptised in the Holy Spiriit you do not have to see the evidence of this by speaking in tongues. AOG say you do. The two churches tried once to come together but this issue stoppped them.
Speaking in tongues is a gift of God. It cannot be earned, deserved, or attained by being good enough. But you would I believe be better speaking to someone in your own church concerning this subject who you would feel confident to trust.
P
I believe that If one is going to speak in tongues,....That if it is by the Holy Spirit,..it will just happen as you are praising God,..Not of your own effort,...It just happens.
When the day of Pentecost came,...the people had no idea that it was going to happen,..it Just happened without the effort to cause it to happen.If It is from the Holy Spirit,..It will just happen, if it is real,...anybody can say mumbo jumbo,...there is the real deal and there is the imitation one.
Just My opinion
When the day of Pentecost came,...the people had no idea that it was going to happen,..it Just happened without the effort to cause it to happen.If It is from the Holy Spirit,..It will just happen, if it is real,...anybody can say mumbo jumbo,...there is the real deal and there is the imitation one.
Just My opinion
R
Isaiah 28 v 11 " For with STAMMERING lips, and ANOTHER TONGUE will HE speak to his people"
Please notice the key word here for all the naysayers ,HIS PEOPLE.
Isaiah 33 v 19 "Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech then then THOU CAN PERCEIVE, of a stammering Tongue, that thou canst understand".
So say whatever you want, it is still a great gift of God, and one of Nine gifts of The Holy Ghost (I Corinthians 12 v 13)
Please notice the key word here for all the naysayers ,HIS PEOPLE.
Isaiah 33 v 19 "Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech then then THOU CAN PERCEIVE, of a stammering Tongue, that thou canst understand".
So say whatever you want, it is still a great gift of God, and one of Nine gifts of The Holy Ghost (I Corinthians 12 v 13)
M
When the gift of the holy spirit was shed upon the 120 in the upper room, they were given the gift of coherent language. To speak in the tongue of another, not gibberish. The bible also states that these things would be done away with. So, no, I don't believe we can speak in tongues anymore, which would have been the gift of speaking another language.
P
I came across this:
Chapter 1 -- THE GIFT OF TONGUES
We do not for one moment question nor deny that there is such a gift, for the Scriptures plainly state that there is. One might as well deny all the gifts of the Spirit as to deny the gift of "tongues." But I desire to point out some of the errors concerning the present day teaching in the movement known as the "Tongues Movement." It is well to remember that all fanatical movements have some truth; but usually it is distorted truth, and distorted truth is error.
The first error is that of giving an undue emphasis and prominence to the gift of "tongues;" putting first what God put last in the order of the gifts. In I Cor. 12:28, we find the numerical order of the gifts, given, doubtless, according to their relative value; and the last mentioned is "diversities of tongues." We commit a grievous error when we put last what God puts first, or first what God puts last. We must learn to leave truth in the place and order that God puts it, for God puts first things first and last things last.
This is why I do not make use of the term "the four-fold gospel." Says one, "Do you not believe in the four-fold gospel?" I would answer, "Yes, I believe in a hundred-fold gospel." "Then why object to the term 'four-fold'?" Because it places the subject of divine healing and of the second coming on an equality with the subject of pardon and sanctification -- as though of equal importance. While I am a glad witness to divine healing and rejoice in the glorious hope of his coming, I am persuaded that it is infinitely more important that men should be saved and sanctified than that they should be healed of physical ills, or accept our view of our Lord's return. And yet the multitude will seek physical health before they will holiness of heart.
The second error of the "tongues movement" is in the teaching that all may have, and should have the gift of tongues. After enunciating the gifts, Paul raises the question, "Are all apostles; are all prophets; are all workers of miracles; have all the gifts of healing; do all speak with tongues?" (I Cor. 12:29-30). Of course, this is just another way of saying that all do not have the same gift. And no one would teach that all should be apostles, or that all should be prophets, or teachers, and yet when it comes to "the gifts of healing" and "tongues", it is urged that if one was just right and living up to their privilege, all might be healed and all should speak with tongues. This we deny, and insist that it is wholly unscriptural. As well urge that all should be "apostles" and "prophets" as urge that all should speak with tongues.
It should be remembered that all the gifts are in the sovereignty of God, and that "all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as HE will." I Cor. 12:11.
A third error is that of insisting that speaking in tongues is the necessary accomplishment, and evidence of the Pentecostal experience. This is as though the sun in the solar system needed a tallow dip [candle light] to prove it is in the neighborhood. The Holy Ghost bears his own witness, and can do so in ten thousand different ways. One might as well insist that unless "there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind," and the "cloven tongues of fire" were visible, and all the other phenomena of the historic Pentecost were present the Holy Ghost had not yet been received. Not only so, but it is not said in the second chapter of Acts that they spoke with "unknown tongues,"' but with "other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." This is different from the "gift of tongues", in that there was no interpreter necessary on the day of Pentecost, "because that every man heard them speak in his own language," and this was the amazement of the multitude as they exclaimed, "How hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born." The exercising of the "gift of tongues" always requires an interpreter, and is positively forbidden and prohibited in the church when there is no interpreter. "If there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church." I Cor. 14:28.
A fourth error is in the assumption that the "gift of tongues" is an evidence of advanced spirituality and superior piety. We would insist that all the gifts are on this side of the thirteenth chapter of I Corinthians; that after enumerating all the gifts, the Apostle Paul says, "And yet shew I unto you a more excellent way," and gives then, the thirteenth chapter of I Corinthians, thus indicating that Perfect Love is "more excellent" than any of the gifts. While evidently the Corinthian church had the "gift of tongues," it may be well to note that this church gave the apostle more trouble than any other church in the New Testament; that they had "divisions;" had gone to law "brother with brother;" had misused the sacrament of the Lord's supper; had among them gross immoralities, such as was "not so much as named among the gentiles;" and evidently had misused the gift of tongues which called forth the restrictions of the 14th chapter in the exercise of that gift. He said of them in the third chapter, they were '"yet carnal;" and "babes in Christ." So the "gift of tongues" among them did not prove advanced spirituality and superior piety.
A fifth error is in supposing that any sort of a mysterious gibberish or jargon -- though not understood by themselves or anyone else -- is the "gift of tongues". The falsity of this claim has been disproved by numbers who have sincerely supposed they had the gift of tongues and gone to the various missionary fields to find they could not speak so as to be understood by the natives at all -- though they were sure before going the Lord had given them the language and called them to those fields. Indeed, there have been exceedingly few, if any, of real authenticated cases of the gift of tongues in these latter days. It should be remembered that Satan can manipulate our vocal organs just as certainly as he can any other part of our being, as in the case of witchcraft, sorcery, spirit-rapping, etc., hence we need to heed the injunction, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God." "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace." I do not seek the gift of tongues, first, because I have that which is "more excellent," and would not know what to do with the gift of tongues if I had it. Second, because the command is, "Covet earnestly the best gifts," and the gift of tongues is not the best, "for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret." (1 Cor. 14:5). With Paul, "I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." "Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy." Why should I seek that which is inferior as to its usefulness, when I am exhorted to "covet earnestly the best?" Third, I do not seek it because I could not exercise the same without an "interpreter," and I cannot afford to carry one with me for the business. Fourth, because if I should speak in tongues without an interpreter, and without regard to the restrictions placed upon the use of this gift, I should appear as "a barbarian" and as "mad" to them that heard me -- even as many who have claimed to have this gift in these days. Fifth, because if I seek it for a month and obtain it, and die tomorrow, it would be of no longer use to me. "Whether there be tongues, they shall cease." I Cor. 13:8. I prefer to seek that which "abideth" [Charity] and is "the greatest."
Chapter 1 -- THE GIFT OF TONGUES
We do not for one moment question nor deny that there is such a gift, for the Scriptures plainly state that there is. One might as well deny all the gifts of the Spirit as to deny the gift of "tongues." But I desire to point out some of the errors concerning the present day teaching in the movement known as the "Tongues Movement." It is well to remember that all fanatical movements have some truth; but usually it is distorted truth, and distorted truth is error.
The first error is that of giving an undue emphasis and prominence to the gift of "tongues;" putting first what God put last in the order of the gifts. In I Cor. 12:28, we find the numerical order of the gifts, given, doubtless, according to their relative value; and the last mentioned is "diversities of tongues." We commit a grievous error when we put last what God puts first, or first what God puts last. We must learn to leave truth in the place and order that God puts it, for God puts first things first and last things last.
This is why I do not make use of the term "the four-fold gospel." Says one, "Do you not believe in the four-fold gospel?" I would answer, "Yes, I believe in a hundred-fold gospel." "Then why object to the term 'four-fold'?" Because it places the subject of divine healing and of the second coming on an equality with the subject of pardon and sanctification -- as though of equal importance. While I am a glad witness to divine healing and rejoice in the glorious hope of his coming, I am persuaded that it is infinitely more important that men should be saved and sanctified than that they should be healed of physical ills, or accept our view of our Lord's return. And yet the multitude will seek physical health before they will holiness of heart.
The second error of the "tongues movement" is in the teaching that all may have, and should have the gift of tongues. After enunciating the gifts, Paul raises the question, "Are all apostles; are all prophets; are all workers of miracles; have all the gifts of healing; do all speak with tongues?" (I Cor. 12:29-30). Of course, this is just another way of saying that all do not have the same gift. And no one would teach that all should be apostles, or that all should be prophets, or teachers, and yet when it comes to "the gifts of healing" and "tongues", it is urged that if one was just right and living up to their privilege, all might be healed and all should speak with tongues. This we deny, and insist that it is wholly unscriptural. As well urge that all should be "apostles" and "prophets" as urge that all should speak with tongues.
It should be remembered that all the gifts are in the sovereignty of God, and that "all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as HE will." I Cor. 12:11.
A third error is that of insisting that speaking in tongues is the necessary accomplishment, and evidence of the Pentecostal experience. This is as though the sun in the solar system needed a tallow dip [candle light] to prove it is in the neighborhood. The Holy Ghost bears his own witness, and can do so in ten thousand different ways. One might as well insist that unless "there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind," and the "cloven tongues of fire" were visible, and all the other phenomena of the historic Pentecost were present the Holy Ghost had not yet been received. Not only so, but it is not said in the second chapter of Acts that they spoke with "unknown tongues,"' but with "other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." This is different from the "gift of tongues", in that there was no interpreter necessary on the day of Pentecost, "because that every man heard them speak in his own language," and this was the amazement of the multitude as they exclaimed, "How hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born." The exercising of the "gift of tongues" always requires an interpreter, and is positively forbidden and prohibited in the church when there is no interpreter. "If there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church." I Cor. 14:28.
A fourth error is in the assumption that the "gift of tongues" is an evidence of advanced spirituality and superior piety. We would insist that all the gifts are on this side of the thirteenth chapter of I Corinthians; that after enumerating all the gifts, the Apostle Paul says, "And yet shew I unto you a more excellent way," and gives then, the thirteenth chapter of I Corinthians, thus indicating that Perfect Love is "more excellent" than any of the gifts. While evidently the Corinthian church had the "gift of tongues," it may be well to note that this church gave the apostle more trouble than any other church in the New Testament; that they had "divisions;" had gone to law "brother with brother;" had misused the sacrament of the Lord's supper; had among them gross immoralities, such as was "not so much as named among the gentiles;" and evidently had misused the gift of tongues which called forth the restrictions of the 14th chapter in the exercise of that gift. He said of them in the third chapter, they were '"yet carnal;" and "babes in Christ." So the "gift of tongues" among them did not prove advanced spirituality and superior piety.
A fifth error is in supposing that any sort of a mysterious gibberish or jargon -- though not understood by themselves or anyone else -- is the "gift of tongues". The falsity of this claim has been disproved by numbers who have sincerely supposed they had the gift of tongues and gone to the various missionary fields to find they could not speak so as to be understood by the natives at all -- though they were sure before going the Lord had given them the language and called them to those fields. Indeed, there have been exceedingly few, if any, of real authenticated cases of the gift of tongues in these latter days. It should be remembered that Satan can manipulate our vocal organs just as certainly as he can any other part of our being, as in the case of witchcraft, sorcery, spirit-rapping, etc., hence we need to heed the injunction, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God." "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace." I do not seek the gift of tongues, first, because I have that which is "more excellent," and would not know what to do with the gift of tongues if I had it. Second, because the command is, "Covet earnestly the best gifts," and the gift of tongues is not the best, "for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret." (1 Cor. 14:5). With Paul, "I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." "Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy." Why should I seek that which is inferior as to its usefulness, when I am exhorted to "covet earnestly the best?" Third, I do not seek it because I could not exercise the same without an "interpreter," and I cannot afford to carry one with me for the business. Fourth, because if I should speak in tongues without an interpreter, and without regard to the restrictions placed upon the use of this gift, I should appear as "a barbarian" and as "mad" to them that heard me -- even as many who have claimed to have this gift in these days. Fifth, because if I seek it for a month and obtain it, and die tomorrow, it would be of no longer use to me. "Whether there be tongues, they shall cease." I Cor. 13:8. I prefer to seek that which "abideth" [Charity] and is "the greatest."
D
The gift of tongues is that. A gift, we can not earn it. But the Gift is available for all who want it. We just have to keep our faith and God will give it to us. Also tongues is both prophecy, or it can also be praying in tongues. The two are different. Praying in tongues is when the Spirit gives us utterance, or when our Spirit is praying for us.
But where there are prophecies they will cease; where there are tongues they will be stilled; where there is knowledge it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, bu when perfection comes the imperfect disappears.
1Cor13:8&9
So has perfection come? And has prophecy and knowledge been done away with? If they haven't how can you say speaking in tongues has?
1Cor13:8&9
So has perfection come? And has prophecy and knowledge been done away with? If they haven't how can you say speaking in tongues has?
P
Tongues is a beautiful gift of the Holy Spirit that God gave to the early church. I'm ecstatic (little joke there...) that that gift has been reclaimed by the church.
But it would be wrong and counterproductive to take that gift and use it to pressure others and make them feel inferior. God wants us to seek Him in love, not fear or pride, and to appreciate His gifts.
There basically are two modes of tongues - us talking to God in our spirit and Him talking through us. The first is sometimes called our prayer language. The second is very often used in group worship to bring a word from the Lord to the Body. But the line isn't always hard and fast. Sort of like how the person speaking in the Psalms shifts around suddenly, I've been in my prayer language when suddenly i realized that the Lord was speaking through me. Such is the intimacy of our spirit-Spirit relationship.
Tongues is a wonderful tool in our prayer and prophecy arsenal. Like most gifts of the Spirit, they can be either over- or under-emphasized. But if used as intended, for the right reasons, they can bypass normal soulical limitations and be a source of comfort and Light.
But it would be wrong and counterproductive to take that gift and use it to pressure others and make them feel inferior. God wants us to seek Him in love, not fear or pride, and to appreciate His gifts.
There basically are two modes of tongues - us talking to God in our spirit and Him talking through us. The first is sometimes called our prayer language. The second is very often used in group worship to bring a word from the Lord to the Body. But the line isn't always hard and fast. Sort of like how the person speaking in the Psalms shifts around suddenly, I've been in my prayer language when suddenly i realized that the Lord was speaking through me. Such is the intimacy of our spirit-Spirit relationship.
Tongues is a wonderful tool in our prayer and prophecy arsenal. Like most gifts of the Spirit, they can be either over- or under-emphasized. But if used as intended, for the right reasons, they can bypass normal soulical limitations and be a source of comfort and Light.
Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed no-one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit… I would like every one of you to speak in tongues … Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues." (1 Corinthians 14:1-2,5,39 NIV)
. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God.
Read that 100 times please.
. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God.
Read that 100 times please.