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Video 1: TRINITARIANS EXPOSE THE U.P.C.I. aka APOSTOLIC ONENESS aka JESUS ONLY CULT Part 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-751027547059973965#
Video 2: TRINITARIANS EXPOSE THE U.P.C.I. aka APOSTOLIC ONENESS aka JESUS ONLY CULT Part 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=476275095983771949#
'The Trinity or "Jesus Only": What do the scriptures teach?' from the 1985 Ankerberg Show.
GUESTS:
Rev. Nathaniel Urshan (Oneness apologist)
Dr. Robert Sabin (Oneness apologist)
Dr. Walter Martin (Orthodox apologist)
Mr. E. Calvin Beisner (Orthodox apologist)
This series is great. It really shows how far out the Oneness Doctrine folks are and the nonsensical tricks they employ. Unfortunately for them, it got them nowhere in this debate.
Episode 1 opens with the orthodox Bible scholars giving a standard orthodox definition of the teaching of the Trinity found in scripture as "Within the nature of the One Eternal God there are three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
The Oneness comes out and asserts They believe only Jesus as God exists and falsely state that the teaching of the Trinity found in scripture is actually a pagan teaching that began at the Council of Nicea.
It's historical and scriptural nonsense but that's how Oneness folks open. Then Ankerberg offers John 1:1-3.
Urshan says, "in the beginning the was the Word/Logos and this was just a thought of God for a future manifestation of himself."
Martin points out that the Word "with" in the phrase 'the Word was with God' literally in Greek means "face to face with" God and corrects some other errors ending with, "The Greek preposition "with" is always standing in opposition to "the Father," and the prepositions alone indicate a person... an individual." Not a thought. He points out that if you took Urshan's position, because we existed in the mind of God also, therefore we are as eternal as Jesus Christ and explains how this type of logic is fundamentally flawed.
They go on to argue about most of the content argued on this forum. It's a really 12 episode series in two parts.
It's obvious the Oneness folks are making up kooky nonsense by calling Jesus God's thought and misrepresenting English translations while ignoring the fact that in both the original Greek and the English translations Jesus is a real person of the Godhead. They make the same errors Oneness people here make. They ignore the grammer of the original language (e.g. Greek), they make strawman fallacies, they discount what the texts say that prove them wrong, and twist up scripture to make it say things the author never intended to "prove" something that isn't true.
Watch them do it in all 12 episodes. Here they get called on it by some Bible scholars that know better.
I'm ready to discuss the content of this with any oneness folks here that wish to discuss it
. Hopefully they can stay away from ad hominem and accusations that Trinity folks are unloving because we can articulate the error in their position and don't compromise with them so they can feel good about it. Let's hope they can do so. The floor is open.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-751027547059973965#
Video 2: TRINITARIANS EXPOSE THE U.P.C.I. aka APOSTOLIC ONENESS aka JESUS ONLY CULT Part 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=476275095983771949#
'The Trinity or "Jesus Only": What do the scriptures teach?' from the 1985 Ankerberg Show.
GUESTS:
Rev. Nathaniel Urshan (Oneness apologist)
Dr. Robert Sabin (Oneness apologist)
Dr. Walter Martin (Orthodox apologist)
Mr. E. Calvin Beisner (Orthodox apologist)
This series is great. It really shows how far out the Oneness Doctrine folks are and the nonsensical tricks they employ. Unfortunately for them, it got them nowhere in this debate.
Episode 1 opens with the orthodox Bible scholars giving a standard orthodox definition of the teaching of the Trinity found in scripture as "Within the nature of the One Eternal God there are three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
The Oneness comes out and asserts They believe only Jesus as God exists and falsely state that the teaching of the Trinity found in scripture is actually a pagan teaching that began at the Council of Nicea.
It's historical and scriptural nonsense but that's how Oneness folks open. Then Ankerberg offers John 1:1-3.
Urshan says, "in the beginning the was the Word/Logos and this was just a thought of God for a future manifestation of himself."
Martin points out that the Word "with" in the phrase 'the Word was with God' literally in Greek means "face to face with" God and corrects some other errors ending with, "The Greek preposition "with" is always standing in opposition to "the Father," and the prepositions alone indicate a person... an individual." Not a thought. He points out that if you took Urshan's position, because we existed in the mind of God also, therefore we are as eternal as Jesus Christ and explains how this type of logic is fundamentally flawed.
They go on to argue about most of the content argued on this forum. It's a really 12 episode series in two parts.
It's obvious the Oneness folks are making up kooky nonsense by calling Jesus God's thought and misrepresenting English translations while ignoring the fact that in both the original Greek and the English translations Jesus is a real person of the Godhead. They make the same errors Oneness people here make. They ignore the grammer of the original language (e.g. Greek), they make strawman fallacies, they discount what the texts say that prove them wrong, and twist up scripture to make it say things the author never intended to "prove" something that isn't true.
Watch them do it in all 12 episodes. Here they get called on it by some Bible scholars that know better.
I'm ready to discuss the content of this with any oneness folks here that wish to discuss it
. Hopefully they can stay away from ad hominem and accusations that Trinity folks are unloving because we can articulate the error in their position and don't compromise with them so they can feel good about it. Let's hope they can do so. The floor is open.
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