what must we do to get saved?

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Although I agree we shouldn't trust in our own works, I just don't see how people who believe in Christ and do good works are going to the lake of fire.

What sort of doctrine is it that says ," if you believe in Jesus you are saved even if you backslide"

yet if you believe in Jesus and do good works to show that belief, you are headed for the lake of fire.

Would a righteous and just God send people to the lake of fire for their good works?

Isn't the lake of fire reserved for the wicked, the unjust, the unrighteous, satan and all his angels?
 
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He is a very confused person. The refusal to repent of your sins is what leads people to hell and this is what they teach. They want everyone to think that it is ok if you stop praying and reading your bible, that you are still going to heaven. It is a trick from satan and he has tricked many into teaching it. I would like to have a free pass for sin, it would be so much easier. I just can't walk away from Christ cause some kid says its ok and no one else should.
 
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believe in the lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved...... You and your household....
 
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to make it short and sweet, the best thing you can do in order be saved is to obey and claim him as your savior!^^
 
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nobody will tell you this, but to be saved all you need to do is obey Gods commands. Not only is it that simple, but its a requirement. everyone else will give you all kinds of other things about "faith" and "grace" and "baptism" etc, but if someone isnt obeying Gods commands, their faith and grave wont save them . the answer is simple. obey the commands
 
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nobody will tell you this, but to be saved all you need to do is obey Gods commands. Not only is it that simple, but its a requirement. everyone else will give you all kinds of other things about "faith" and "grace" and "baptism" etc, but if someone isnt obeying Gods commands, their faith and grave wont save them . the answer is simple. obey the commands



A quick question...

Wouldn't "repent and be converted" fall under God's commands?

BTW - Be prepared to defend that statement scripturally because what you are proposing is a doctrine of works which is clearly unscriptural.
 
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nobody will tell you this, but to be saved all you need to do is obey Gods commands. Not only is it that simple, but its a requirement. everyone else will give you all kinds of other things about "faith" and "grace" and "baptism" etc, but if someone isnt obeying Gods commands, their faith and grave wont save them . the answer is simple. obey the commands
How do these verses apply?

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Galatians 5:13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

In order to live the christian life, the believer not only has to trust Jesus as Their Saviour, but to trust Him as Their Good Shepherd to enable them to live as His... thus the commandments given are not a religious yoke on man to do, but to live by faith in the Son of God that lives in us that He will do it.

That is why I believe it is imply written that the just shall live by faith so that the commandments given are not seen as the religious ones, but the requirements for a relationship... trust as in trust in the Lord. This would explain why the poor in spirit are blessed because they know they cannot do it... thaat all their hopes are on God to do it now.. and that is why we are to receive the Kingdom of God as a little child for all they can do is... trust the Lord. That is the only way we can have that relationship with Him as trust is the basis for all relationships.

So when I look at the commandments, I look at the Son of God by faith that He will do His workmanship so I can live as His.. love my enemies, and pray for those that despitefully use me and persecute me.

Which leads to...I pray, by His grace, fully receiving the Gospel of grace in these verses for all those that read this.

Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Psalm 100:3Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

So the next time we spout commandments, it is to exhort the believers to do good by faith in the Son of God to enable them to do so... so that they may know Him and the power of His resurrection...seeing how we are in a relationship... not a religion of boasts and will of man.

Philippians 3: 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings,

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Galatians 3: 1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

John 7:18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 4: 13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1: 24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Psalm 118: 8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. (or in yourself)

So I trust the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation as well as helping me to live as His thus the just shall live by faith. it is our faith that declares Him as the Good News to man.
 

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Say: Yo God, I've decided to become a Christian. If it's okay with you, I'd like to spend the rest of eternity with you when I die. In jesus's name I pray, Amen.
 
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Dolly I think that verse in Acts 2:38 that you quoted says it all.
 
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I agree with you comepletely. And i just wanted to add that, if we repent of our sins and believe in the lord jesus christ then we are saved. But it isnt because we did these things or it would be of works. if we did these things then it is EVIDENCE that god has already changed our hearts and caused us to do these things. God gets all the glory, because god did all the work. Like you said its by grace alone and grace is a free gift which we can do nothing to recieve or earn. God bless.
Wait a second. This is a terrific example of how we mess up the simple message of Christ. I stated that we are saved by God's grace ALONE. Then Sinsear says that he completely agrees BUT "just wanted to ADD that, if we repent of our sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ then we are saved.

You just added works on top of God's grace. Right there,when you added repenting of sin, you just added works...

Many understand the term repentance to mean “turning from sin.” This is not the biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word repent means “to change one’s mind.” The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions (Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19). Acts 26:20 declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.” The full biblical definition of repentance is a change of mind that results in a change of action.

What, then, is the connection between repentance and salvation? The Book of Acts seems to especially focus on repentance in regards to salvation (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20). To repent, in relation to salvation, is to change your mind in regard to Jesus Christ. In Peter’s sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2), he concludes with a call for the people to repent (Acts 2:38). Repent from what? Peter is calling the people who rejected Jesus (Acts 2:36) to change their minds about Him, to recognize that He is indeed “Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36). Peter is calling the people to change their minds from rejection of Christ as the Messiah to faith in Him as both Messiah and Savior.

 
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Being saved is by God's grace alone. When a person recognizes their sin, believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins (Jesus took our place), and put their faith and trust in him-that person is born again. Jesus has paid that person's sin debt in full with his blood. They immediately receive the Holy Spirit. They are saved and eternally secure. Salvation is a free-gift from God. Salvation is by God's grace alone.
First you say we are saved by grace alone, then you give a long list of thing we must do to get saved, then you say it is a free gift. So which one is it grace alone, a long list of things we need to do, or free gift?
 
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I don't think it's adding. Can anyone believe in Christ without repenting (aka changing their mind, which also implies turning from sin), no they can't. I don't think repenting is a work, in the sense of being against saved by grace alone. Repenting is a work in the sense, that it shows our faith. Being circumcised to be saved or giving money to the poor are work's contrary to grace, if done with that attitude.
 
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There is a difference between getting saved and staying saved. Just because "once" you prayed a prayer and "once" you believed doesn't mean you are still saved.
Amen, and amen
 
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There is a difference between getting saved and staying saved.

And there's a difference between believing another Jesus not found in the Bible(2 Corinthians 11:3-4) and believing a Jesus who can completely save found in the Bible(John 10:29).
There is roaring so why do you not apply this know;edge to your life and start serving to true Jesus of the Bible, instead of the false one you have created in your mind?
 
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First you say we are saved by grace alone, then you give a long list of thing we must do to get saved, then you say it is a free gift. So which one is it grace alone, a long list of things we need to do, or free gift?

That's not correct. I've said it's God's grace ALONE consistently in this thread. That's simply not true that I gave a long list of things we need to do? You may want to read what I've said again. Furthermore, if you still think I've given a "LONG LIST", please quote exactly what you don't understand.

We are saved by trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE! It's by God's grace ALONE that we are saved!
 
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to make it short and sweet, the best thing you can do in order be saved is to obey and claim him as your savior!^^
Yes obey that is the key word and until this post hadn't been used.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Obedience is the key if you are not obedient to Christ your are not His, regardless of your claims.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
 
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I don't think it's adding. Can anyone believe in Christ without repenting (aka changing their mind, which also implies turning from sin), no they can't. I don't think repenting is a work, in the sense of being against saved by grace alone. Repenting is a work in the sense, that it shows our faith. Being circumcised to be saved or giving money to the poor are work's contrary to grace, if done with that attitude.
In greek, repenting literally means "changing one's mind". So repentance is acknowledging that we are sinners deserving of hell and we 'change our mind' about Jesus and accept him as our savior.

If you incorrectly interpret repentance as "forsaking or turning from sin" in order to get saved, then that IS works. That's like going to a doctor when your sick. The doctor tells you that you need to cure yourself first before he can help you. Doesn't make any sense does it? In this example, Jesus is the doctor. Our sins are the sickness. Salvation is receiving the free gift of grace by God. There is nothing we can do to earn our salvation, including forsaking sin to get saved because that is Works!
 
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That's not correct. I've said it's God's grace ALONE consistently in this thread. That's simply not true that I gave a long list of things we need to do? You may want to read what I've said again. Furthermore, if you still think I've given a "LONG LIST", please quote exactly what you don't understand.

We are saved by trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE! It's by God's grace ALONE that we are saved!
Let me see here i.s your list
#1 Recognize our sin.
#2 Believe Jesus died on the cross.
#3 Put their faith in Christ.

Now I am not disagreeing with the list, but if there is a list to be made then it is not by grace alone. We are saved by grace through faith. That is not grace alone nor faith alone but grace and faith, neither of which would do any good with out the sacrifice of Christ. So your grace alone statement is simply false, no matter how large you make your font.
 
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In greek, repenting literally means "changing one's mind". So repentance is acknowledging that we are sinners deserving of hell and we 'change our mind' about Jesus and accept him as our savior.
Yes I agree, and If a person turns from sin it's usually understood that they would have changed their mind first. So I think both are equally valid, although changing ones mind is the more correct or literal meaning of the Greek work for repentance.

If you incorrectly interpret repentance as "forsaking or turning from sin" in order to get saved, then that IS works.
I have never heard any christian before claim that forsaking sin is a work contrary to grace. That is implying that we dont' need to forsake sin in order to be saved. Which we know is not true. Think of it this way, we would not know we are sinners and would not be able to forsake or turn from sin in the first place if it weren't for God's grace. But if we don't forsake or turn from sin maybe we have not encountered God's grace.


That's like going to a doctor when your sick. The doctor tells you that you need to cure yourself first before he can help you. Doesn't make any sense does it? In this example, Jesus is the doctor. Our sins are the sickness. Salvation is receiving the free gift of grace by God. There is nothing we can do to earn our salvation, including forsaking sin to get saved because that is Works!
Ultimately, we are the sinner, we are the one who has to turn from our sin. God (the doctor) cannot do it for us. Let me put it this way. Going to the doctor in the first place (something we must do) is repentance. Our repentance doesn't fix the issue of sin, only Christ's blood does that, but our repentance allows God (the doctor) to fix us up and apply the cure (Christ's blood).
 
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Let me see here i.s your list
#1 Recognize our sin.
#2 Believe Jesus died on the cross.
#3 Put their faith in Christ.

Now I am not disagreeing with the list, but if there is a list to be made then it is not by grace alone. We are saved by grace through faith. That is not grace alone nor faith alone but grace and faith, neither of which would do any good with out the sacrifice of Christ. So your grace alone statement is simply false, no matter how large you make your font.
omg, of course it's grace through faith. I have in bold trusting in Jesus Christ. You can't trust in Jesus Christ without having faith in him. What's your problem? I asked you to quote my supposedly long list, and not only do you not quote it, you type it yourself and say that it's my "long List" of things to do to get saved? Why do you exaggerate? Do you not know that a quote is an exact "word for word". Do I disagree with your three point list? No, of course not. On your point #2 would have said that believe Jesus died on the cross and took our place and paid for our sins literally with his blood. I would have said that. Of course we put our faith and trust in Christ alone. What's your problem? Why did you lie and say I made a "long list"? Why did you lie and say "let me see here is your list" when all someone has to do is search this thread and see that it's not an exact quote. What's your problem?
 
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