Concerning modern-day Egypt.

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DEMOCRACY is a scam.
there's no such thing.

the egyptians have been had, and they are going to suffer terribly.
Your right, a true democracy is almost anarchaic, but I think it is important for the people to have a voice and some power over the country, this is the context in which democracy is applied.

There will always be leaders and dictators of sorts. The word democracy is used more liberally than its literal definition should allow, but in goverment affairs, it has its place :)
 

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Your right, a true democracy is almost anarchaic, but I think it is important for the people to have a voice and some power over the country, this is the context in which democracy is applied.

There will always be leaders and dictators of sorts. The word democracy is used more liberally than its literal definition should allow, but in goverment affairs, it has its place :)

i SERIOUSLY recommend reading this entire document.

our future is headed straight at us (nothing new, the same old game: TOTALITARIAN TIP-TOE)

pay close attention to the word and concept COMMUNITARIANISM.

Conclusion:
The Hegelian dialectic presupposes the factual basis for the theory of social evolutionary principles, which coincidentally backed up Marx. Marx's Darwinian theory of the "social evolution of the species," (even though it has been used for a century to create a vast new scientific community, including eugenics and socio-economics), does not adhere to the basis for all good scientific research, and appears to exist mainly to advance itself, and all its sub-socio-scientific arms, as the more moral human science. To the ACL this means the entire basis for the communitarian solution is based on a false premise, because there is no FACTUAL basis that "social evolution of the species" exists, based as it is only on Darwinian and Marxist ideology of man's "natural" evolution towards a British version of utopia.


The London-Marxist platform in 1847 was "to abolish private property." The American Revolution was based in private property rights. Marxist societies confiscate wealth and promise to "re-distribute it equally." America promised everyone they could keep and control what was the product of their own labor. Modern Marxist adherents openly claim they will "rebuild the world," and they train activist "change agents" to openly support overthrowing the legitimate governments of the world.

Since their inception, Marxist agent provocateurs can be linked to every anarchist assassination and student uprising that caused chaos to the established European civilization throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. Modern Americans have succumbed to the conspiracy theory label and will only listen to what the propaganda machines tell them. Now our people don't believe anyone other than maybe the Arab world "hates our freedom." Most modern Americans will never know what went wrong with their "great experiment in democracy."

While the Marxist-communitarian argument has not provided a shred of evidence to prove their utopian vision, and their synthesis does not match their own projected conclusions of world justice, we are convinced their argument does in fact substantiate our conclusion, that the entire philosophical dialectical argument is nothing but a brilliant ruse. We used to call it "a cheap parlor trick" until a responder to this page wondered how we could call it "cheap" when it's been so successful. And he was right.

The dialectical arguments for human rights, social equity, and world peace and justice are a perfectly designed diversion in the defeated British Empire's Hegelian-Fabian-Metaphysical-Theosophical Monopoly game. It's the most successful con job in the history of the modern world. (For a well presented Christian overview of the con, see American Babylon: Part Five-the Triumph of the Merchants by Peter Goodgame.)

The communitarian synthesis is the final silent move in a well-designed, quietly implemented plot to re-make the world into colonies. To us it doesn't matter if there is some form of ancient religion that propels the plotters, nor does it really matter if it turns out they're aliens (as some suggest). The bottom line is the Hegelian dialectic sets up the scene for state intervention, confiscation, and redistribution in the U.S., and this is against our ENTIRE constitutional based society. The Hegelian dialectic is not a conspiracy theory because the Conspiracy Theory is a fraud. We've all been duped by global elitists who plan to take totalitarian control of all nation's people, property, and produce.

Communitarian Plans exist in every corner of the world, and nobody at the local level will explain why there's no national legal avenue to withdraw from the U.N.'s "community" development plans.

 
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^ This doesn't have much to do with the statement I made, or how a re-structuring of egypts consituition links in, its more of an appeal to stay on the lookout for marxist movements and totalitarians.

What agenda is this article trying to push, if only to preach distrust in the democratic system and future. We should be distrustful of all systems and look into how they are running and the effects.
I'm not a nationalist, my father took the family to Egypt for years working as an expat.

Its great having articles to make us think, but we do need reason and triggers before active work is done to change the system, there are forces to change systems for the good as well, in the end it is incremental, when the scales tip far enough duty calls.

question: how would you like things to be run?
 

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^ This doesn't have much to do with the statement I made, or how a re-structuring of egypts consituition links in, its more of an appeal to stay on the lookout for marxist movements and totalitarians.

What agenda is this article trying to push, if only to preach distrust in the democratic system and future. We should be distrustful of all systems and look into how they are running and the effects.
I'm not a nationalist, my father took the family to Egypt for years working as an expat.

Its great having articles to make us think, but we do need reason and triggers before active work is done to change the system, there are forces to change systems for the good as well, in the end it is incremental, when the scales tip far enough duty calls.

question: how would you like things to be run?
are you a Christian?
 
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Oh yeah the reply bug again. Helllloooo moderator ;)


This prophecy does not fit today. There are no idol worship in Egypt. The Nile river is not dry.There was also very little fighting, the protest was surprisingly peaceful and the Egyptians are far from being weaklings in the honorable way they acted. Sorry to rain on your parade . :)

This prophecy was seen to come true in 160 BC according to this Isaiah19
 

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are you a Christian?
actually, i see from your profile you are NOT Christian.
which means you are not able to understand that we are in a spiritual war.

Romans 8:7
the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.

that the war is one of deception VS lies.

this whole world lies in wickness and deceit (the human condition). not seeing the war is part of the fallen condition of man.

1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

only Christians are saved.

To be saved means that God has delivered us from His righteous wrathful judgment due us because of our sins against Him. It means that we will not be judged for our sins and be therefore sentenced to eternal ****ation. To be saved means that we are justified before God. Only Christians are saved. Only Christians are justified.

Justification is the legal act where God declares the sinner to be innocent of his or her sins. It is not that the sinner is now sinless, but that he is "declared" sinless. This declaration of righteousness is being justified before God. This justification is based on the shed blood of Jesus, "...having now been justified by His blood..." (Rom. 5:9) where Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor. 15:1-4). God imputed (reckoned to our account) the righteousness of Christ at the same time our sins were imputed to Christ when he was on the cross.

WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? not only delivered from the WRATH to come upon this world, but to receive eternal life and live with Jesus in the world to come (ETERNITY)?

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."

Rom. 3:24, "being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;"

Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."

Rom. 4:3, "For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 4:11, "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,"

Rom. 4:16, "Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all."

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Rom. 5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him."

Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."

repent , believe on Jesus, and be saved.
 
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actually, i see from your profile you are NOT Christian.
which means you are not able to understand that we are in a spiritual war.
Oh dear another person who claims only christians understand the scriptures. We had this discussion in the divine scripture thread. No one has been able to provide any proof to support that position.
 
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The Egyptian Military got rid of Parliament today. What a shock. Next thing to see will be if they keep their six month promise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/middleeast/14egypt.html
Unlikely. Egypt is more than likely going to fall into a military dictatorship. I was excited when I heard Mubarak was actually stepping down, then sad and disappointed when I heard he handed power to the military. Things can (and will) only get worse from here.
 
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Oh dear another person who claims only christians understand the scriptures. We had this discussion in the divine scripture thread. No one has been able to provide any proof to support that position.
That would be because it isn't true :) It's just another cop-out argument when dealing with non-Christians - and Christians they want to consider "non-believers" :)
 
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Isaiah 19-

A prophecy against Egypt:
See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud
and is coming to Egypt.
The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
brother will fight against brother,
neighbor against neighbor,
city against city,
kingdom against kingdom.
3 The Egyptians will lose heart,
and I will bring their plans to nothing;
they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead,
the mediums and the spiritists.
4 I will hand the Egyptians over
to the power of a cruel master,
and a fierce king will rule over them,”
declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty.

5 The waters of the river will dry up,
and the riverbed will be parched and dry.
6 The canals will stink;
the streams of Egypt will dwindle and dry up.
The reeds and rushes will wither,
7 also the plants along the Nile,
at the mouth of the river.
Every sown field along the Nile
will become parched, will blow away and be no more.
8 The fishermen will groan and lament,
all who cast hooks into the Nile;
those who throw nets on the water
will pine away.
9 Those who work with combed flax will despair,
the weavers of fine linen will lose hope.
10 The workers in cloth will be dejected,
and all the wage earners will be sick at heart.

11 The officials of Zoan are nothing but fools;
the wise counselors of Pharaoh give senseless advice.
How can you say to Pharaoh,
“I am one of the wise men,
a disciple of the ancient kings”?

12 Where are your wise men now?
Let them show you and make known
what the LORD Almighty
has planned against Egypt.
13 The officials of Zoan have become fools,
the leaders of Memphis are deceived;
the cornerstones of her peoples
have led Egypt astray.
14 The LORD has poured into them
a spirit of dizziness;
they make Egypt stagger in all that she does,
as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.
15 There is nothing Egypt can do—
head or tail, palm branch or reed.

16 In that day the Egyptians will become weaklings. They will shudder with fear at the uplifted hand that the LORD Almighty raises against them. 17 And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the LORD Almighty is planning against them.

18 In that day five cities in Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD Almighty. One of them will be called the City of the Sun.[a]

19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. 20 It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. 21 So the LORD will make himself known to the Egyptians, and in that day they will acknowledge the LORD. They will worship with sacrifices and grain offerings; they will make vows to the LORD and keep them. 22 The LORD will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the LORD, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25 The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

Do you believe that this passage coincides with Egypt in its current state? More so verses 19-22.


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