God hates Esau?

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Lecrae

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What does God mean in this verse:

Romans 9:13. "Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.' "
 
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DanuckInUSA

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the greek word for hate used
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love less

He loved Esau less then Jacob and blessed him with the portion of the firstborn
 
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Lecrae

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Okay, awesome thank you
 
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ChosenByGod

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God hated Esau's sin, not Esau himself.
 
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God hated Esau's sin, not Esau himself.
9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." (Romans 9:9-13)

What it says is not that God hated Esau's sin, but that God hated Esau. But this shouldn't come as a surprise, for:

5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. 6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. (Psalm 5:5-6)

9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

Moreover, just in case anyone got the wrong idea, it specifically says in verse 11 that it was NOT because of his "having done any good or evil," but rather "that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls."

So, when it says God hated Esau, it also means in this context that Esau was not one of the elect. And being one of the elect is "not of works," as "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). God cannot choose His elect on the basis of works, for:

10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one." (Romans 3:10-13)

20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin. (Ecclesiasted 7:20)

2 Do not enter into judgment with Your servant, For in Your sight no one living is righteous. (Psalm 143:2)

If it was on the basis of works, "having done any good or evil," no one would be able to be saved. Rather:

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? (Romans 9:14-24)
 
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Sebastian

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I would say God hates esau
 
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Lecrae

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I would say God hates esau
But God says he loves his creation. So I broke this down into two categories:

1.) Either this was a contradiction the Bible

or

2.) There was something dealing with translation here.


I ruled out number one because that isn't logical to the Christian faith, so I thought it would be number two. The post under my post explained it very well and proved my point.
 

Parone

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God does not hate Esau or any other human, you are not reading the bible in context, sorry but please don't say this
 
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God does not hate Esau or any other human, you are not reading the bible in context, sorry but please don't say this
Dont let emotions and traditions rule the way you read the Bible.

It says God hated Esau and loved Jacob, before they did anything good nor bad.

God is free and sovereign and can do what He wants.

You cant read the bible and come to the conclusion that God loves everyone the same. The love God had for Israel is not the same love God had for egyptians or Pharaoh.

God seems to not be too happy with the antichrist(s) either.

God has a particular love for His people.
 
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Dont let emotions and traditions rule the way you read the Bible.

It says God hated Esau and loved Jacob, before they did anything good nor bad.

God is free and sovereign and can do what He wants.

You cant read the bible and come to the conclusion that God loves everyone the same. The love God had for Israel is not the same love God had for egyptians or Pharaoh.

God seems to not be too happy with the antichrist(s) either.

God has a particular love for His people.
Yes thus the cross, for Jesus is the true expression of God's Love for all who believe.
 
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the greek word for hate used
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love less

He loved Esau less then Jacob and blessed him with the portion of the firstborn
So true. Let Scripture interpret Scripture. This concept is one of the most important in the Bible...... and one of the most overlooked and ignored by many of us.

We cannot just turn to our modern dictionaries, or look at the way we use words and ideas in our own cultures today. This will often deceive us, and lead us down an erroneous path. (It happens all the time when people read Revelation with only the 21st-century in mind.)

Instead, go to the Bible, and find ALL the other places where the word or concept in question is used. Not every incidence you find will apply, in relation to the verse you are researching, but the CONTEXT of both the original verse and the newly found verses will usually guide you in those occasions.

To start with (for this verse) may I suggest you take a look at Luke 14:26? It should be obvious that Jesus is not saying that a requirement of being His disciple is that you HATE your entire family, and even your own life.
 
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NayborBear

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God does not hate Esau or any other human, you are not reading the bible in context, sorry but please don't say this
It says in the Bible that God hated esau, while he was still in his mother's womb!


Now, think about this, for a little bit! What can this mean? Well?, This alludes to some point in an everlasting, that was before this current everlasting, in which esau, did something, either by himself, or in a group, that really, really, Really, TICKED OFF GOD! So much, in fact, that in His anger, and, Jealously, He "let slip", an insight, of something previous!
 
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It says in the Bible that God hated esau, while he was still in his mother's womb!


Now, think about this, for a little bit! What can this mean? Well?, This alludes to some point in an everlasting, that was before this current everlasting, in which esau, did something, either by himself, or in a group, that really, really, Really, TICKED OFF GOD! So much, in fact, that in His anger, and, Jealously, He "let slip", an insight, of something previous!
Are you suggesting the pre-existance of souls? Or reincarnation?
 
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It says in the Bible that God hated esau, while he was still in his mother's womb!


Now, think about this, for a little bit! What can this mean? Well?, This alludes to some point in an everlasting, that was before this current everlasting, in which esau, did something, either by himself, or in a group, that really, really, Really, TICKED OFF GOD! So much, in fact, that in His anger, and, Jealously, He "let slip", an insight, of something previous!
wooooooooo........ Watch out for the floating ghosts. Man! Where do you come up with some of this stuff?
 
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So true. Let Scripture interpret Scripture. This concept is one of the most important in the Bible...... and one of the most overlooked and ignored by many of us.

We cannot just turn to our modern dictionaries, or look at the way we use words and ideas in our own cultures today. This will often deceive us, and lead us down an erroneous path. (It happens all the time when people read Revelation with only the 21st-century in mind.)

Instead, go to the Bible, and find ALL the other places where the word or concept in question is used. Not every incidence you find will apply, in relation to the verse you are researching, but the CONTEXT of both the original verse and the newly found verses will usually guide you in those occasions.

To start with (for this verse) may I suggest you take a look at Luke 14:26? It should be obvious that Jesus is not saying that a requirement of being His disciple is that you HATE your entire family, and even your own life.
Good post Willie T,

I hate to bother you, but indeed how English words are used can be broad in different meanings, the English language can be so literal in it's meanings or vast in it's meaning, I think the English language is quite complex.
 

Magenta

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[video=youtube;WRS_ULKek0U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRS_ULKek0U&t=1181s[/video]
This issue is addressed starting around 10:40 :)
 

NayborBear

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Are you suggesting the pre-existance of souls? Or reincarnation?

Not in the sense, of "sacred cows" reincarnation, like some religions espouse. Not even in the sense of that "idol" rendered into a golden "calf/cow", by the "freshly liberated" Children of Israel! For these are prophets, worshippers, patronizers, and workers of iniquity, of "baal!" (chemosh, as well, as other "lessor gods") And, ya see what God did to them, right?

But, yeah! A "reincarnation" (for lack of a more fittable term), of sorts. Yes!

Concerning a "pre-existance" of souls? Of course I do! :cool:


This, is what transpires, when a "believer" "allows" God "out of the box", that aforementioned "rulers of darkness", powers and princapalities, and spiritual wickedness in "high places", work "feverishly", night and day, in their "ensuring" He, be "kept" there. It is these "boxes", if you will, "they" build their "bridges" with, in their "breeching the gap/s", that are the Result, of space/s left open!
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 14:26, "“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate (love less) his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, and his own life too, he is unable to be My taught one.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]hate” is word #G3404 - miseó: to hate, Original Word: μισέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: miseó, Phonetic Spelling: (mis-eh'-o), Short Definition: I hate, detest, Definition: I hate, detest, love less, esteem less.

why did Yah love Esau less?

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A lseeon to not forsake Yah over anything.