Living Together

[Israel]

Originally Posted by DanuckInUSA

Joined by who?

A harlot. But is this to understood literally or with the veil on, or spiritually with the veil off? It is the veil that hides the truth.

It is the very same whore Revelation speaks about. This is no literal woman. If so, she has truly been a busy body as millions of men have fornicated with her.

[lightbliss]

Romans 13:1-7

[size=2][color=darkgreen]Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God

[lightbliss]

My initial post was meant to look like this:

Romans 13:1-7
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

What does the Bible say about the concept of a common law marriage?

If getting married would cause financial issues due to government regulations, is it acceptable for a couple to have a spiritual marriage, but not a legal marriage?

Is it wrong for a couple to live together before marriage?

What constitutes marriage according to the Bible?

What does the Bible say about sex before marriage / premarital sex?

No matter how much we want to be right, we can't deny God and what the Bible states. Nor should we twist the Word of God in order to "legitimize" what we do or want; such is folly and not of God.

[Israel]

[quote=lightbliss;380453]My initial post was meant to look like this:

Romans 13:1-7
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God

[MaggieMye]

1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Living together LOOKS like you are LIVING TOGETHER...and than includes having sex.

[loveschild]

If he loves you then he should be happy to marry you. If not you deserve better. Want the best for yourself.

Originally Posted by resurrection33

It is a sin to look lustfully on another person.

Technically, perhaps, if you can live with a boyfriend or girlfriend without looking lustfully at them, it is not a sin. Who would be able to do that?

Riiight, for humans to continue on this planet procreating, we have to have people marrying each other, and having babies..duh. Geez if I dont look at a guy with lust before I marry him and then god turns around and calls that sin, what the?? what sort of people and humans are we expected to be.

Try telling that to every 16yr old hormone ridden male out there, who is dealing with testosterone explosion in their bodies, a hormone that is put there by god...oh and then he says, btw, ignore it. Do everythng you possibly can to deny your basic human functions and feel every possible way of shame and embarrassment over it too. How is this normal peoples?????

Wow the whole world is full of porn addicts and masturbators, but like good little christians we are supposed to ignore that, sweep it under a carpet and act super spiritual and non-human like freakin controlled robots. Deny your human urges, but only when you finally get a wife or husband let it out of the repressed place you left it so many years ago, that you are battling with it on a daily basis filled with shame and despair.

My goodness, if that is not unhealthy to start your life out with someone, it is no wonder so many christian marriages fall to pieces, and young 17 and 18yr olds marry so young and foolishly. Oh and also btw have huge counts of out of wedlock pregnancies. Can anyone not see the problem here? or do you all just stick your head in the sand and pretend that humans come with a sexual drive programmed into them, and it was apparently put there so we can create other human beings.

LUST is normal, it is the thing that connects human beings together. It is created by hormones of testosterone and estrogen. If you want to deny it, try going to a dr and getting those hormones yanked out of you. But dont tell me we have to be supersonic robots and deny the very thing implanted in us by...god. Oh the irony...

[SantoSubito]

Honestly I don't see anything particularly wrong with it as long as nothing happens. In college I've had female roommates where there was a mutual attraction between us and nothing happened. It's all about how much self-control you have, could I have had sex with my female roommate; probably yes, but did I no. If you can practice self-control then really you have nothing to fear from living with a boyfriend/girlfriend or people of the opposite sex.

[MaggieMye]

Try telling that to every 16yr old hormone ridden male out there, who is dealing with testosterone explosion in their bodies, a hormone that is put there by

God...oh and then he says, btw, ignore it. Do everythng you possibly can to deny your basic human functions and feel every possible way of shame and embarrassment over it too. How is this normal peoples????? What is 'normal' in God's eye is that you obey scripture:

Matthew 17:8
And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only

2 Corinthians 10:5
We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

This is what true believers do, regardless of age. Obeying Scripture and submitting to the Lord is HOW one becomes the CONQUERER that he/she was created to be.

Wow the whole world is full of porn addicts and masturbators, but like good little christians we are supposed to ignore that, sweep it under a carpet and act super spiritual and non-human like freakin controlled robots. YES. And if you cannot do that or choose not to do that, then you are not saved.

1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Deny your human urges, but only when you finally get a wife or husband let it out of the repressed place you left it so many years ago, that you are battling with it on a daily basis filled with shame and despair. You are speaking like a self-righteous, angry person, full of indignation that God would set down these limits and boundaries and not understanding that He does so for our own protection.

My goodness, if that is not unhealthy to start your life out with someone, it is no wonder so many christian marriages fall to pieces, and young 17 and 18yr olds marry so young and foolishly. Oh and also btw have huge counts of out of wedlock pregnancies. Can anyone not see the problem here? or do you all just stick your head in the sand and pretend that humans come with a sexual drive programmed into them, and it was apparently put there so we can create other human beings. If you really knew God and His character you would not be saying these things that show your ignorance of WHY He commands what He does. There are spiritual repercussions for fornication, adultery and all kinds of lust. There are consequences. But a TRUE BELIEVE, one submitted to Christ because of His love and sacrifice for us, will not have issues with CHOOSING to not sin and follow His mandate. It is about a personal relationship with the One who loves you most.

LUST is normal, it is the thing that connects human beings together. And just WHERE do you get this line of garbage? This is a lie from the pit of hell, set to deceive people into acting against God's word. It is created by hormones of testosterone and estrogen. No, LUST is a demonic spirit sent by Satan to deceive you, to harrass you, and to BIND YOU to the pit of darkness. If you want to deny it, try going to a dr and getting those hormones yanked out of you. Again, if you are relying on Drs. you get what you pay for. Better to submit to God's will and then be blessed...deliverance is necessary for every believer.But dont tell me we have to be supersonic robots and deny the very thing implanted in us by...god. Oh the irony... And then you use His name in vane? God put desires in us that are to be kept under control

1 Corinthians 7:9
But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Galatians 5:22-24 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires

until marriage. And even then the ACTs of sexual intimacy are to be done in love and respect.

[Seriously_Cool_Wife]

Just curious... if you were in youth ministry, would you want to let the teens you are witnessing to know that you were living with some one unmarried? If not, then the same reasons apply without being in the youth ministry.

You DO have to take a thought to what it does to your example an witness to others. The bible tells us to FLEE from even the appearance of evil. To live without reproach... (the best we can, anyway)

Just a few thoughts... thanks for letting me share.

[dmdave17]

Originally Posted by xJoe

Honestly you just shouldn't do it.
And it will destroy your testimony. if you are or not having sex that is what everyone will assume.
Is anyone wrong with a male and a female living together? no it is not sin
But your putting yourself in temptations way. This is a really hard thing to decide on because in the Bible there was no dating. There was no getting to know your girlfriend and then falling in love after awhile then marrying. It was all arranged marriage. And you moved in with your wife after you became married.
Dating is a completely new concept. It's the middle ground between being married and single which never existed before.
In my ultimate thoughts towards it, it takes away from marriage. (living together before marrying)
The bible tells us to flee fornication. thess 4:3-7 and what people do is say anything but sex is sin. But in reality no, anything sexual with someone else besides your spouse is sin. Any sexual thought towards someone who is not your spouse is sin. You are not your own property. You belong to your future spouse and God. By sexual activity happening between someone who is not that it is sin against your future spouse and God.
By living together you do a two things. First off you put yourself in a extremely tempting atmosphere when the Bible tells us specifically to avoid it. If this person ends up nothing being your future spouse you take away the special moment of living with someone. same concept as sex before marriage. Been there and done that.
in my opinion, there is nothing beneficial about this nor anything that could be beneficial. that is why I would avoid doing it

An excellent assessment of the situation, I think. You show remarkable insight for one so young.

WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

[NoahsMom]

An excellent assessment of the situation, I think. You show remarkable insight for one so young.My thoughts exactly~!

[journey41]

Originally Posted by Israel

But to this I ask, what is marriage? Do you believe that Abraham had to stand before a priest to unite them in marriage? Do you believe Abraham had a certificate of marriage? I don't believe so. I believe he committed to her and she to him.

I believe that it is indeed unsanitary to sleep around with multiple persons. But to be committed to one person is not.

If you could stay committed with that same partner right to the end it would be like being married, yes, but what if you break up with that partner, and find another one down the track, do you then become an adulter? Would you tell the next partner that you are divorced even though you were not officially married but played the part?

It's a hard one Israel! The same rules would still apply.

[Israel]

Originally Posted by journey41

If you could stay committed with that same partner right to the end it would be like being married, yes, but what if you break up with that partner, and find another one down the track, do you then become an adulter? Would you tell the next partner that you are divorced even though you were not officially married but played the part?

It's a hard one Israel! The same rules would still apply.

Again Journey, we must look at the situation once we have removed the veil.

Matthew 19:3-9


3The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

We can take this to be literal, but is it really? Jesus ALWAYS spoke in parables to these people. For them, His meaning is veiled or hidden among the "flesh" of the spirit or the letter of the words. Did not Jesus state that the flesh profits NOTHING and that the words He speak are Spirit and life? Now, if these words are Spirit, then it has nothing to do with the flesh.

In the beginning, we were made MALE and FEMALE. We must understand this.

Malachi 2:13-15

13And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

For another witness,

Proverbs 5:15-20


15Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.
16Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets.
17Let them be only thine own, and not strangers' with thee.
18Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
19Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. 20And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?

In Genesis 2, it tells us that God called us all ADAM. We all are the man in God's eyes. our wife is the residue of the spirit within us and we are told to drink from our own wells.

1 Corinthians 7:39-40

39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
40But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

Revelation 17:1-2

1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

She is the strange woman. Again this is some of what it means to fornicate, or commit adultery; to be married or divorced. There is much more to say, but I fear most would not even waste their time with what I say. They can only see the veil. For the man is every physical vessel (men and women). The wife is the residue of the Spirit within or the seed.

John 1:12

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Why not sons and daughters? Because every one is Adam or the man!

[PBUH]

Originally Posted by Jeanette19

Is it necessarily wrong to live with someone? Like your boyfriend and or girlfriend? Just living together btw and not having sex. Bibically is it wrong?

If some of the best evangelists cannot resist the temptation of adultery and sex outside marriage why put yourself into such a dangerous situation.