THE MILLENIUM

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part 1
After Satan is bound, the 1000 year reign will commence at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Christ will rule as King, and his saints who will be changed to spirit at his coming and will rule with him over the Israelites who are in the flesh. The new kingdom will be set up on earth in Israel as prophesied, and the boundaries of Israel will be atlered to a larger landscape.

It is not stated if Jesus and the saints will be visible as flesh cannot see spirit unless spirit reveals itself, but we do know that there will be survivors outside of Israel and they too will be given a chance to come in and learn the truth, only they cannot live there. Christs job will be accomplished at the end of the 1000 years and then he will hand his kingdom back to God, and God himself will dwell with us.

I will take you there step by step but cannot include all scripture relating as it will make this document even longer than it is.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in ZION and sound an alarm in MY HOLY MOUNTAIN: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord comes. For it is nigh at hand.

During the 7th trump at Christ return, a great earthquake divided the city of Jerusalem into three parts
Rev 16:9 And the GREAT CITY was DIVIDED into THREE PARTS, and the cities of the nations fell: and GREAT BABYLON came into REMEMBERANCE before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Zechariah also prophesied of Israel's altered landscape after the great earthquake.
Zech 14:14 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley: and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south.

Zion shall be ruled by Jesus Christ as King with his saints as prophesied in Isaiah
Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect SHALL inherit it and my servants SHALL dwell there.

Psalms 87:1 His FOUNDATION is in the HOLY MOUNTAINS

Israel will be reconciled to God as prophesied by Ezekiel
Ezekiel 20:40 For in mine HOLY MOUNTAIN in the mountain of the HEIGHT OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God, there shall all the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, all of them IN THE LAND, serve me: THERE WILL I ACCEPT THEM, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 36:8 But ye, O MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL, ye SHALL shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to MY PEOPLE OF ISRAEL for THEY ARE AT HAND TO COME

Psalms 78:54 And he BROUGHT THEM to the BORDER of his SANCTUARY, even to THIS MOUNTAIN which his RIGHT HAND had PURCHASED.

The first gathering happened in 1948, and in the second gathering, God will gather them from all the nations to bring them back in and feed them the truth
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and GATHER THEM from the COUNTRIES, and I WILL bring them to THEIR OWN LAND, and FEED THEM upon the MOUNTAINS of ISRAEL by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

Jerem 23:3 And I will GATHER the REMNANT of my FLOCK out of ALL COUNTRIES wither I have driven them and WILL BRING THEM AGAIN to their FOLDS and they SHALL be FRUITFULL and INCREASE.

Isaiah 11:11 And it SHALL come to pass in THAT DAY, that the Lord SHALL set his hand again the SECOND TIME to RECOVER the REMNANT of his people, which SHALL be LEFT from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be a HIGHWAY for the REMNANT of HIS PEOPLE, which shall be LEFT, from Assyria, like AS IT WAS to ISRAEL in the DAY that HE CAME UP out of the land of EGYPT.

God will have mercy on them as promised in Isaiah...ending their affliction
Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth, and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord has COMFORTED his PEOPLE and will have MERCY upon HIS AFFLICTED.

The land shall be restored
Joel 3:18 And it SHALL come to pass in THAT DAY, that the MOUNTAINS shall drop down NEW WINE, and the hills shall FLOW WITH MILK, and all the rivers of JUDAH shall flow with WATERS, and a FOUNTAIN shall come forth of the HOUSE OF THE LORD, and shall WATER the VALLEY of ****TIM.

Ezekiel 17:23 In the MOUNTAIN of the HIGHT of ISRAEL will I PLANT IT: and it shall bring forth boughs and BEAR FRUIT, and be a goodly cedar; and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

Israel will be like the garden of Eden - PARADISE
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, THIS LAND that was DESOLATE is BECOME like the GARDEN OF EDEN; and the WASTE and DESOLATE and RUINED cities are become fenced and inhabited.

There will be peace like never before
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpents meat. They shall NOT HURT nor DESTROY in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN, says the LORD.

Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in JERUSALEM, and joy in MY PEOPLE: and the voice of weeping SHALL be NO MORE heard in her, NOR the VOICE of crying.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall NO MORE thence an INFANT of DAYS, nor an OLD MAN that has NOT FILLED his DAYS: for the CHILD shall DIE an HUNDRED YEARS OLD; But the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:21 And THEY shall BUILD HOUSES, and INHABIT them; and THEY shall PLANT VINEYARDS, and eat the fruit of them.

Isaiah 65:22 THEY shall NOT labour IN VAIN, nor bring forth for trouble; for THEY are the SEED of the blessed of the Lord, and their OFFSPRING with them.

There are nations existing outside of Israel (Mt Zion)
Ezekiel 36:36 Then the HEATHEN that are LEFT ROUND ABOUT YOU, you shall KNOW that I the Lord BUILD the RUINED places, and PLANT that that was DESOLATE: I the Lord have SPOKEN it, and I WILL DO IT.

God has reserved a remnant to inhabit his Holy Mountain
Isaiah 10:21 The REMNANT shall RETURN, even the REMNANT of JACOB, unto the mighty God

Isaiah 10:22 For thou thy people ISRAEL be as the SAND of the SEA, yet a REMNANT of THEM SHALL RETURN: the consumption DECREED shall overflow with RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have RESERVED to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of baal.

Isaiah 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts has left unto us a very SMALL REMNANT, we should of been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Isaiah 46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the REMENANT of the HOUSE of ISRAEL, which are borne by me from the belly.

Jerem 31:7 For thus says the Lord, Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the CHIEF of the NATIONS: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, SAVE THY PEOPLE the REMNANT of ISRAEL

Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and ESTABLISH judgement in the GATE: it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious unto the REMNANT of Joseph.

Joel 2:32 And it shall COME to PASS, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be DELIVERED: for in MOUNT ZION and in JERUSALEM shall be DELIVERANCE, as the Lord has said, and in the REMNANT whom the Lord SHALL CALL.

The remnant of Israel will consist of the dead who will be resurrected..but only into flesh
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God unto these BONES, behold, I will cause BREATH to ENTER into YOU, and YE shall LIVE.

Ezekiel 37:6 And I WILL lay SINEWS upon YOU and will bring up FLESH upon YOU, and COVER you with SKIN, and put BREATH in YOU, AND yE shall LIVE; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore, PROPHECY and SAY unto THEM, Thus says the Lord God; Behold O MY PEOPLE, I will OPEN your GRAVES, and cause you to come up OUT of your GRAVES, and BRING you into the land of ISRAEL.

And the rest of the remnant will be alive at the coming of Christ as they were protected during the GREAT TRIBULATION
Jerem 15:11 The Lord said, Verily, it shall be well with thy REMNANT: verily I will cause the ENEMY to ENTREAT thee WELL in the TIME of EVIL and in the TIME of AFFLICTION.

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that the REMNANT of ISRAEL, and such as are ESCAPED of the house of Jacob, shall NO MORE again stay upon HIM that SMOTE THEM but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of ISRAEL in TRUTH.

Ezekiel 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a REMNANT that SHALL be BROUGHT forth, both SONS and DAUGHTERS: behold, THEY SHALL come forth unto YOU, and YE shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the EVIL that I have BROUGHT apon JERUSALEM, even concerning all that I have BROUGHT upon it.

Israel will be restored a strong nation
Jerem 6:9 Thus says the Lord of hosts, THEY shall thoroughly GLEAN, the REMANT of ISRAEL as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grapegatherer into the baskets.

Michah 4:7 And I will make her that halted a REMNANT, and her that was cast far off a STRONG NATION: and the Lord shall REIGN over them in MOUNT ZION from heceforth, even FOREVER.

They will be humbled
Zephaniah 3:11 In THAT DAY shalt thou not be ASHAMED for all thy doings, wherein THOU has TRANGRESSED against ME: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee THEM that REJOICE in thy PRIDE, and thou shall NO MORE be HAUGHTY because of my HOLY MOUNTAIN.

They will be taught from the Lord
Ezekiel 34:14 I will FEED them in a GOOD PASTURE and upon the HIGH MOUNTAINS of ISRAEL shall their FOLD be: there shall THEY lie in a GOOD FOLD, and in a FAT PASTURE shall they FEED upon the MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL.

Jerem 33:13 In the CITIES of the MOUNTAINS, in the CITIES of the VALE, and in the CITIES of the SOUTH, and in the LAND of BENJAMIN, and in the PLACES about JERUSALEM, and in the CITIES of JUDAH, shall the FLOCKS pass AGAIN under the HANDS of HIM that TELL THEM, says the Lord

All nations are invited to visit and learn
Isaiah 2:2 And it SHALL COME to PASS in THE LAST DAYS, that the MOUNTAIN of the LORDS HOUSE shall be ESTABLISHED in the top of the MOUNTAINS, and shall be EXALTED above the hills, and ALL NATIONS SHALL FLOW UNTO IT

Micah 4:1 But in the LAST DAYS it shall COME to PASS, that the MOUNTAIN of the HOUSE of the LORD shall be ESTABLISHED in the top of the MOUNTAINS, and it shall be EXALTED above the hills, and PEOPLE shall FLOW UNTO IT.

Micah 4:2 And MANY NATIONS shall COME, and say, COME, and LET US GO UP to the MOUNTAIN of the LORD, and to the HOUSE of the GOD of Jacob; and HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS, and we will walk in HIS paths: for the LAW shall go forth of ZION, and the WORD of the LORD from JERUSALEM

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not HURT nor DESTROY in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN: for the EARTH shall be FULL of the KNOWLEDGE of the LORD as the WATER covers THE SEA.

Isaiah 13:2 Lift ye up a BANNER upon the HIGH MOUNTAIN, exalt the VOICE unto them, shake the hand, that THEY may go INTO the GATES of the NOBLES

Isaiah 18:3 All YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, and DWELLERS of the EARTH, see ye, when HE lifts up an ENSIGN on the MOUNTAINS: and when HE BLOWS A TRUMPET. HEAR YE

Worship from the nations
Isaiah 66:20 And THEY shall bring ALL your BRETHREN for an offering unto the Lord out of ALL NATIONS upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my HOLY MOUNTAIN JERUSALEM, says the Lord, as the CHILDREN of ISRAEL bring an offering in a CLEAN vessel into the HOUSE of the Lord.

Isaiah 56:7 Even THEM will I BRING to my HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make THEM joyful in my house of prayer, their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be ACCEPTED upon MINE ALTAR, for MINE HOUSE shall be called a house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE

Isaiah 42:11 Let the WILDERNESS and the CITIES thereof lift up their voice, the VILLAGES that Kedar does inhabit: let the INHABITANTS of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of THE MOUNTAINS

They will rule in righeousness
Isaiah 1:26 And I will RESTORE they JUDGES as at the first, and they COUNSELORS as at the beginning: afterward THOU shalt be called, THE CITY OF RIGHEOUSNESS, THE FAITHFUL CITY

 

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Praise the Lord. Well laid out Journey..easy to understand and informative !!

Journey is well aware that sacrifices as described within her post are not sacrifices as in the method of the ways of the Old Covenant. But some may read into this a different meaning than meant..So, to jump the gun and clear any misunderstandings before they arise, these are the sacrifices meant and understood:

Psalm 51
v16: For Thou desirest not sacrifice, else would i give it: Thou delightest not in burnt offering.
v17: The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.
v18: Do good in Thy good pleasure unto Zion: build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
v19: THEN shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering, then shall they offer bullocks upon Thine alter.

Burnt offerings and bullocks are symbolic. The only acceptable sacrifices are the sacrifices of righteousness, and these "bullocks" (sacrifices of righteousness) are the greatest offerings to be burnt upon His alter (In His Name/servitude/tent), that is, the sacrifice of fleshly pleasures over what is right and acceptable...a sure symbolic Bullock/gesture/commitment of great worth to God.

Amen.

 

[Scotth1960]

part 1
After Satan is bound, the 1000 year reign will commence at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Christ will rule as King, and his saints who will be changed to spirit at his coming and will rule with him over the Israelites who are in the flesh. The new kingdom will be set up on earth in Israel as prophesied, and the boundaries of Israel will be atlered to a larger landscape.

I t is not stated if Jesus and the saints will be visible as flesh cannot see spirit unless spirit reveals itself, but we do know that there will be survivors outside of Israel and they too will be given a chance to come in and learn the truth, only they cannot live there. Christs job will be accomplished at the end of the 1000 years and then he will hand his kingdom back to God, and God himself will dwell with us.

I will take you there step by step but cannot include all scripture relating as it will make this document even longer than it is.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in ZION and sound an alarm in MY HOLY MOUNTAIN: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord comes. For it is nigh at hand.

During the 7th trump at Christ return, a great earthquake divided the city of Jerusalem into three parts
Rev 16:9 And the GREAT CITY was DIVIDED into THREE PARTS, and the cities of the nations fell: and GREAT BABYLON came into REMEMBERANCE before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Zechariah also prophesied of Israel's altered landscape after the great earthquake.
Zech 14:14 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley: and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south.

Zion shall be ruled by Jesus Christ as King with his saints as prophesied in Isaiah
Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect SHALL inherit it and my servants SHALL dwell there.

Psalms 87:1 His FOUNDATION is in the HOLY MOUNTAINS

Israel will be reconciled to God as prophesied by Ezekiel
Ezekiel 20:40 For in mine HOLY MOUNTAIN in the mountain of the HEIGHT OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God, there shall all the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, all of them IN THE LAND, serve me: THERE WILL I ACCEPT THEM, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 36:8 But ye, O MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL, ye SHALL shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to MY PEOPLE OF ISRAEL for THEY ARE AT HAND TO COME

Psalms 78:54 And he BROUGHT THEM to the BORDER of his SANCTUARY, even to THIS MOUNTAIN which his RIGHT HAND had PURCHASED.

The first gathering happened in 1948, and in the second gathering, God will gather them from all the nations to bring them back in and feed them the truth
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and GATHER THEM from the COUNTRIES, and I WILL bring them to THEIR OWN LAND, and FEED THEM upon the MOUNTAINS of ISRAEL by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

Jerem 23:3 And I will GATHER the REMNANT of my FLOCK out of ALL COUNTRIES wither I have driven them and WILL BRING THEM AGAIN to their FOLDS and they SHALL be FRUITFULL and INCREASE.

Isaiah 11:11 And it SHALL come to pass in THAT DAY, that the Lord SHALL set his hand again the SECOND TIME to RECOVER the REMNANT of his people, which SHALL be LEFT from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be a HIGHWAY for the REMNANT of HIS PEOPLE, which shall be LEFT, from Assyria, like AS IT WAS to ISRAEL in the DAY that HE CAME UP out of the land of EGYPT.

God will have mercy on them as promised in Isaiah...ending their affliction
Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth, and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord has COMFORTED his PEOPLE and will have MERCY upon HIS AFFLICTED.

The land shall be restored
Joel 3:18 And it SHALL come to pass in THAT DAY, that the MOUNTAINS shall drop down NEW WINE, and the hills shall FLOW WITH MILK, and all the rivers of JUDAH shall flow with WATERS, and a FOUNTAIN shall come forth of the HOUSE OF THE LORD, and shall WATER the VALLEY of ****TIM.

Ezekiel 17:23 In the MOUNTAIN of the HIGHT of ISRAEL will I PLANT IT: and it shall bring forth boughs and BEAR FRUIT, and be a goodly cedar; and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

Israel will be like the garden of Eden - PARADISE
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, THIS LAND that was DESOLATE is BECOME like the GARDEN OF EDEN; and the WASTE and DESOLATE and RUINED cities are become fenced and inhabited.

There will be peace like never before
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpents meat. They shall NOT HURT nor DESTROY in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN, says the LORD.

Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in JERUSALEM, and joy in MY PEOPLE: and the voice of weeping SHALL be NO MORE heard in her, NOR the VOICE of crying.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall NO MORE thence an INFANT of DAYS, nor an OLD MAN that has NOT FILLED his DAYS: for the CHILD shall DIE an HUNDRED YEARS OLD; But the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:21 And THEY shall BUILD HOUSES, and INHABIT them; and THEY shall PLANT VINEYARDS, and eat the fruit of them.

Isaiah 65:22 THEY shall NOT labour IN VAIN, nor bring forth for trouble; for THEY are the SEED of the blessed of the Lord, and their OFFSPRING with them.

There are nations existing outside of Israel (Mt Zion)
Ezekiel 36:36 Then the HEATHEN that are LEFT ROUND ABOUT YOU, you shall KNOW that I the Lord BUILD the RUINED places, and PLANT that that was DESOLATE: I the Lord have SPOKEN it, and I WILL DO IT.

God has reserved a remnant to inhabit his Holy Mountain
Isaiah 10:21 The REMNANT shall RETURN, even the REMNANT of JACOB, unto the mighty God

Isaiah 10:22 For thou thy people ISRAEL be as the SAND of the SEA, yet a REMNANT of THEM SHALL RETURN: the consumption DECREED shall overflow with RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have RESERVED to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of baal.

Isaiah 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts has left unto us a very SMALL REMNANT, we should of been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Isaiah 46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the REMENANT of the HOUSE of ISRAEL, which are borne by me from the belly.

Jerem 31:7 For thus says the Lord, Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the CHIEF of the NATIONS: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, SAVE THY PEOPLE the REMNANT of ISRAEL

Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and ESTABLISH judgement in the GATE: it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious unto the REMNANT of Joseph.

Joel 2:32 And it shall COME to PASS, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be DELIVERED: for in MOUNT ZION and in JERUSALEM shall be DELIVERANCE, as the Lord has said, and in the REMNANT whom the Lord SHALL CALL.

The remnant of Israel will consist of the dead who will be resurrected..but only into flesh
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God unto these BONES, behold, I will cause BREATH to ENTER into YOU, and YE shall LIVE.

Ezekiel 37:6 And I WILL lay SINEWS upon YOU and will bring up FLESH upon YOU, and COVER you with SKIN, and put BREATH in YOU, AND yE shall LIVE; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore, PROPHECY and SAY unto THEM, Thus says the Lord God; Behold O MY PEOPLE, I will OPEN your GRAVES, and cause you to come up OUT of your GRAVES, and BRING you into the land of ISRAEL.

And the rest of the remnant will be alive at the coming of Christ as they were protected during the GREAT TRIBULATION
Jerem 15:11 The Lord said, Verily, it shall be well with thy REMNANT: verily I will cause the ENEMY to ENTREAT thee WELL in the TIME of EVIL and in the TIME of AFFLICTION.

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that the REMNANT of ISRAEL, and such as are ESCAPED of the house of Jacob, shall NO MORE again stay upon HIM that SMOTE THEM but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of ISRAEL in TRUTH.

Ezekiel 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a REMNANT that SHALL be BROUGHT forth, both SONS and DAUGHTERS: behold, THEY SHALL come forth unto YOU, and YE shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the EVIL that I have BROUGHT apon JERUSALEM, even concerning all that I have BROUGHT upon it.

Israel will be restored a strong nation
Jerem 6:9 Thus says the Lord of hosts, THEY shall thoroughly GLEAN, the REMANT of ISRAEL as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grapegatherer into the baskets.

Michah 4:7 And I will make her that halted a REMNANT, and her that was cast far off a STRONG NATION: and the Lord shall REIGN over them in MOUNT ZION from heceforth, even FOREVER.

They will be humbled
Zephaniah 3:11 In THAT DAY shalt thou not be ASHAMED for all thy doings, wherein THOU has TRANGRESSED against ME: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee THEM that REJOICE in thy PRIDE, and thou shall NO MORE be HAUGHTY because of my HOLY MOUNTAIN.

They will be taught from the Lord
Ezekiel 34:14 I will FEED them in a GOOD PASTURE and upon the HIGH MOUNTAINS of ISRAEL shall their FOLD be: there shall THEY lie in a GOOD FOLD, and in a FAT PASTURE shall they FEED upon the MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL.

Jerem 33:13 In the CITIES of the MOUNTAINS, in the CITIES of the VALE, and in the CITIES of the SOUTH, and in the LAND of BENJAMIN, and in the PLACES about JERUSALEM, and in the CITIES of JUDAH, shall the FLOCKS pass AGAIN under the HANDS of HIM that TELL THEM, says the Lord

All nations are invited to visit and learn
Isaiah 2:2 And it SHALL COME to PASS in THE LAST DAYS, that the MOUNTAIN of the LORDS HOUSE shall be ESTABLISHED in the top of the MOUNTAINS, and shall be EXALTED above the hills, and ALL NATIONS SHALL FLOW UNTO IT

Micah 4:1 But in the LAST DAYS it shall COME to PASS, that the MOUNTAIN of the HOUSE of the LORD shall be ESTABLISHED in the top of the MOUNTAINS, and it shall be EXALTED above the hills, and PEOPLE shall FLOW UNTO IT.

Micah 4:2 And MANY NATIONS shall COME, and say, COME, and LET US GO UP to the MOUNTAIN of the LORD, and to the HOUSE of the GOD of Jacob; and HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS, and we will walk in HIS paths: for the LAW shall go forth of ZION, and the WORD of the LORD from JERUSALEM

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not HURT nor DESTROY in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN: for the EARTH shall be FULL of the KNOWLEDGE of the LORD as the WATER covers THE SEA.

Isaiah 13:2 Lift ye up a BANNER upon the HIGH MOUNTAIN, exalt the VOICE unto them, shake the hand, that THEY may go INTO the GATES of the NOBLES

Isaiah 18:3 All YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, and DWELLERS of the EARTH, see ye, when HE lifts up an ENSIGN on the MOUNTAINS: and when HE BLOWS A TRUMPET. HEAR YE

Worship from the nations
Isaiah 66:20 And THEY shall bring ALL your BRETHREN for an offering unto the Lord out of ALL NATIONS upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my HOLY MOUNTAIN JERUSALEM, says the Lord, as the CHILDREN of ISRAEL bring an offering in a CLEAN vessel into the HOUSE of the Lord.

Isaiah 56:7 Even THEM will I BRING to my HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make THEM joyful in my house of prayer, their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be ACCEPTED upon MINE ALTAR, for MINE HOUSE shall be called a house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE

Isaiah 42:11 Let the WILDERNESS and the CITIES thereof lift up their voice, the VILLAGES that Kedar does inhabit: let the INHABITANTS of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of THE MOUNTAINS

They will rule in righeousness
Isaiah 1:26 And I will RESTORE they JUDGES as at the first, and they COUNSELORS as at the beginning: afterward THOU shalt be called, THE CITY OF RIGHEOUSNESS, THE FAITHFUL CITY

Friends, "Chiliasm" "The belief that the beast is imprisoned for a literal thousand years is known as "chiliasm." IT was the chiliastic heresy that was addressed and condemned at the second ecumenical council in AD 381. What must be understood is that in Scripture time is often symbolic. For instance, "For a thousand years in your sight are like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night" (Ps. 90:4) and "With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8).
"In Rev. 20, the thousand years began with Christ's saving work in the first century and will continue until the onset of the Tribulation. "But after these things he must be released for a little while" (Rev. 20:3) and "when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle" (Rev. 20:7-8). Thus, rather than a literal thousand year imprisonment the term "thousand years", as used in Rev. 20, simply indicates a long period of time.
"The Faithful in Christ started living and reigning with the Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth in the first century, not during a period of time still to come:
* "Then He appointed the twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and t have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons" (Mk. 3:14-15).
* "And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits ... And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them" (Mk. 7:7,13).
* "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord even the demons are subject to us in Your name. And He said to them ... ehold, I gave you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing by shall any means hurt you" (Lk. 10:17-19).
"Clearly, the Faithful were living and reigning with Christ in the first century, and this continues today. Moreover, those having lived and reigned with the Savior who had died physically are now in heaven living and reigning with Christ Jesus:
* "So Jesus said to them, assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory [Christ now sits at the right hand of God in heaven]. you who have followed Me will also sit on the twelve thrones" (Mt. 19:28).
"* This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him, if we endure, we sall also reign with Him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12).
"As a final comment on the misapplication of Rev. 20:2-8 and the "End of Times", it must be said that a better understanding of the purpose underlying the beast's imprisonment is important given the near hysteria about "End Times" events, real and imagined, that have swept the Protestant community. The contrast between an accurate and an incorrect interpretation of these doctrines occurs as a result of deviating from the Orthodox Church's adherence to apostolic teaching. (1)

Note 1. Misconstrual, as in the rapture theorem claiming that the Second Coming precedes the Tribulation, when Scripture states otherwise. "Let no one deceive you by any means, for that Day will not come [Christ's Second Coming] until the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed [the Antichrist at the Tribulation]" (2 Thess. 2:3)."

WEST OF JESUS: The Bible's Answer to the Protestant Departure from Orthodox Belief. by Anthony. (2006). Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 74-76.

In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington God have mercy on all of us. Amen.

 

[wakeup]

Friends, "Chiliasm" "The belief that the beast is imprisoned for a literal thousand years is known as "chiliasm." IT was the chiliastic heresy that was addressed and condemned at the second ecumenical council in AD 381. What must be understood is that in Scripture time is often symbolic. For instance, "For a thousand years in your sight are like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night" (Ps. 90:4) and "With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8).
"In Rev. 20, the thousand years began with Christ's saving work in the first century and will continue until the onset of the Tribulation. "But after these things he must be released for a little while" (Rev. 20:3) and "when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle" (Rev. 20:7-8). Thus, rather than a literal thousand year imprisonment the term "thousand years", as used in Rev. 20, simply indicates a long period of time.
"The Faithful in Christ started living and reigning with the Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth in the first century, not during a period of time still to come:
* "Then He appointed the twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and t have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons" (Mk. 3:14-15).
* "And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits ... And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them" (Mk. 7:7,13).
* "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord even the demons are subject to us in Your name. And He said to them ... ehold, I gave you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing by shall any means hurt you" (Lk. 10:17-19).
"Clearly, the Faithful were living and reigning with Christ in the first century, and this continues today. Moreover, those having lived and reigned with the Savior who had died physically are now in heaven living and reigning with Christ Jesus:
* "So Jesus said to them, assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory [Christ now sits at the right hand of God in heaven]. you who have followed Me will also sit on the twelve thrones" (Mt. 19:28).
"* This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him, if we endure, we sall also reign with Him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12).
"As a final comment on the misapplication of Rev. 20:2-8 and the "End of Times", it must be said that a better understanding of the purpose underlying the beast's imprisonment is important given the near hysteria about "End Times" events, real and imagined, that have swept the Protestant community. The contrast between an accurate and an incorrect interpretation of these doctrines occurs as a result of deviating from the Orthodox Church's adherence to apostolic teaching. (1)

Note 1. Misconstrual, as in the rapture theorem claiming that the Second Coming precedes the Tribulation, when Scripture states otherwise. "Let no one deceive you by any means, for that Day will not come [Christ's Second Coming] until the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed [the Antichrist at the Tribulation]" (2 Thess. 2:3)."

WEST OF JESUS: The Bible's Answer to the Protestant Departure from Orthodox Belief. by Anthony. (2006). Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 74-76.

In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington God have mercy on all of us. Amen.

you can never mix your worldly knowledge with spiritual knowledge you ahould know that by now worldly knowledge is of the world and spiriual knowledge comes from god . one can never find god by studying books written by men it will only lead you away from the truth . only god is truth everything t.hat cdmes out of the mouth of god is truth. mens heart is corrupt so are all their books . you MUSTdepend on the word of god only if you want to seek god . the haughty shall be brought down low . the humbel shal find god wakeup.

 

[Devolution]

Friends, "Chiliasm" "The belief that the beast is imprisoned for a literal thousand years is known as "chiliasm." As named by men and NOT God. IT was the chiliastic heresy that was addressed and condemned at the second ecumenical council in AD 381. A council of men who practiced idol worship, saint worship, who changed the 10 commandments, mixed the pagan ceremonies and called it Christmas, demanded obedience of one man whom they titled Father when addressing in direct breaking of Gods law...shall i go on? What must be understood is that in Scripture time is often symbolic. Wrong, you've only got a few examples, here comes the common mistake of learned men... For instance, "For a thousand years in your sight are like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night" (Ps. 90:4) and "With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8). 1 billion days is as to God one day, time has no meaning when one is eternal.
"In Rev. 20, the thousand years began with Christ's saving work in the first century and will continue until the onset of the Tribulation. Error...2011 years have already passed, how do you now backtrack on this simple mistake? "But after these things he must be released for a little while" (Rev. 20:3) and "when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle" (Rev. 20:7-8). Thus, rather than a literal thousand year imprisonment the term "thousand years", as used in Rev. 20, simply indicates a long period of time. Error, you mix two mistakes to come out with one big mistake...this is the trouble with learned teachings, the focus is on men and the flesh, therefore the spiritual becomes clouded.
"The Faithful in Christ started living and reigning with the Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth in the first century, not during a period of time still to come: As already pointed out...you are already a 1011 years overdue...
* "Then He appointed the twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and t have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons" (Mk. 3:14-15). When Christ rules He does not send men out into the world, but the spiritually resurrected go out in His name...the 12 Apostles & the other 12 thrones are where the Apostles are...not sent out !! Error.
* "And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits ... And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them" (Mk. 7:7,13). Jesus had not been crucified yet...scripture is clear, the 1000 years occurs with a resurrected Christ ruling...your errors are very bad & dangerous if you actually teach others this material, God WILL hold you accountable.
* "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord even the demons are subject to us in Your name. And He said to them ... ehold, I gave you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing by shall any means hurt you" (Lk. 10:17-19).
"Clearly, the Faithful were living and reigning with Christ in the first century, and this continues today. Moreover, those having lived and reigned with the Savior who had died physically are now in heaven living and reigning with Christ Jesus: ERROR, for NO ONE has ascended to heaven save the SON, and when he returns HE will raise the dead...Who then is in heaven and why hasn't anybody told Jesus he will be resurrecting empty graves?
* "So Jesus said to them, assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory [Christ now sits at the right hand of God in heaven]. you who have followed Me will also sit on the twelve thrones" (Mt. 19:28). Did you not allude to the subscription that the millennium has already commenced? Now your confusion is confusing me..
"* This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him, if we endure, we sall also reign with Him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). On an appointed day yes...until then, no man is in heaven...
"As a final comment on the misapplication of Rev. 20:2-8 and the "End of Times", it must be said that a better understanding of the purpose underlying the beast's imprisonment is important given the near hysteria about "End Times" events, real and imagined, that have swept the Protestant community. I am not protestant nor any religion...the only hysteria is in your mind, prophecies are for warnings and preparation, these prophecies are never touched by your peers because they will NEVER give up their wealth for God, NEVER..and so logic being used dictates that your very peers will be encouraging men take this very mark and as your peers will most assuredly do..worship that evil man in the process. The contrast between an accurate and an incorrect interpretation of these doctrines occurs as a result of deviating from the Orthodox Church's adherence to apostolic teaching. You system has no authority over Gods word, nor any follower who follows Him, and as i just showed, your errors are blatant from even the most basic of principles.. this is a bad example of your institutions "lordship" which is not authorized from God, but from men (1)

Note 1. Misconstrual, as in the rapture theorem claiming that the Second Coming precedes the Tribulation, when Scripture states otherwise. "Let no one deceive you by any means, for that Day will not come [Christ's Second Coming] until the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed [the Antichrist at the Tribulation]" (2 Thess. 2:3)." Correct.

WEST OF JESUS: The Bible's Answer to the Protestant Departure from Orthodox Belief. by Anthony. (2006). Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 74-76.

In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington God have mercy on all of us. Amen.

God does not dwell in temples made of stone. Gods people are not subservient to men. Men hold no sway over the free children. Your declarations of our heresy or mistakes mean very little to those who see through them for what they truly are.

 

[journey41]

Friends, "Chiliasm" "The belief that the beast is imprisoned for a literal thousand years is known as "chiliasm." IT was the chiliastic heresy that was addressed and condemned at the second ecumenical council in AD 381. What must be understood is that in Scripture time is often symbolic. For instance, "For a thousand years in your sight are like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night" (Ps. 90:4) and "With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8).

"

Hi Scott, Yes you said it WITH THE LORD one day is as a thousand years. The Lord is eternal Scott and he doesn't go by time. God is yesterday, today and tomorrow. Those in the flesh do however go by time as they have a beginning and an end.

Also you quoted psalms, and it is refering to God again - he sees the future and beyond as if it already happened. Us mortals dont scott. We have to concentrate on the words and listen to what the spirit is saying. If we get it wrong it throws everything out of whack.

In Rev. 20, the thousand years began with Christ's saving work in the first century and will continue until the onset of the Tribulation.

Rev 20: 6 Blessed and holy is he tht that part in the first ressurection: on such the second death has no power, but they SHALL be priests of God and of Christ, and shall REIGN with him a THOUSAND YEARS.

Scott, Christ is sitting at the right hand side of God now. He has conquered death, yes, and was ressurected never to die again. The rest of his reward is a kingdom to rule with the saints that God has given him. Christ will have HIS OWN THRONE. And he will be in charge. He will be ruling Jerusalem on earth. He is our spiritual king, but this is a prophecy, as God tells us that Satan is the God of this world, why because the world follows in his nature. The world has to be cleaned up first, which is why Satan has to be bound for a thousand years.
So Jesus and the saints are not ruling yet, and the saints are still in the flesh or dead (not yet resurrected)

"But after these things he must be released for a little while" (Rev. 20:3) and "when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle" (Rev. 20:7-8). Thus, rather than a literal thousand year imprisonment the term "thousand years", as used in Rev. 20, simply indicates a long period of time.

Scott, Satan is still here! He's been here since the beginning. He hasn't been restrained yet. Look at the world! A reflection of his doings. Evil has to grow remember, let the wheat and the tares grow together, then at the time of the harvest the tares will be burnt and the wheat gathered. The thousand years are a thousand years, cause man will be here and still going by time.

"The Faithful in Christ started living and reigning with the Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth in the first century, not during a period of time still to come:

Can you see where mans doctrine has gone wrong. Like I said above, the saints are not ruling yet. They are being afflicted. It's obvious.

* "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord even the demons are subject to us in Your name. And He said to them ... ehold, I gave you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing by shall any means hurt you" (Lk. 10:17-19).
"Clearly, the Faithful were living and reigning with Christ in the first century,

These were given spiritual gifts. They wern't reigning because most of them were KILLED.

and this continues today. Moreover, those having lived and reigned with the Savior who had died physically are now in heaven living and reigning with Christ Jesus:

No, the saints are dead. Waiting to be ressurected at Christ's return. It's done all at once at the appointed time.

* "So Jesus said to them, assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory [Christ now sits at the right hand of God in heaven]. you who have followed Me will also sit on the twelve thrones" (Mt. 19:28).

"*

It hasn't been regenerated yet. Christ sits at the right hand side of God. Not on Gods throne. He will recieve his glory when he comes and will get to sit on his own throne.

This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him, if we endure, we sall also reign with Him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12).

"

Yes we have to endure to the end. This is a promise and what we look forward to if accepted.

As a final comment on the misapplication of Rev. 20:2-8 and the "End of Times", it must be said that a better understanding of the purpose underlying the beast's imprisonment is important given the near hysteria about "End Times" events, real and imagined, that have swept the Protestant community. The contrast between an accurate and an incorrect interpretation of these doctrines occurs as a result of deviating from the Orthodox Church's adherence to apostolic teaching. (1)

Man has misinterpreted Revelations. The beast wasn't thrown into prison, it was Satan. The beast was thrown into the lake of fire. The end time events are as real as the words written in the book. Most of us dont adhere to the churche's teaching. Why? because we didn't learn the word from man, but the holy spirit gave us understanding because we were searching for truth. We learnt the word in our bedrooms and in our homes, not in a school where we were taught such and such. We learnt it in private with the holy spirit as our teacher. Just as christ said would be given to those who would be given this gift to those who are feeding off him.

Note 1. Misconstrual, as in the rapture theorem claiming that the Second Coming precedes the Tribulation, when Scripture states otherwise. "Let no one deceive you by any means, for that Day will not come [Christ's Second Coming] until the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed [the Antichrist at the Tribulation]" (2 Thess. 2:3)."

Yes, I am post trib. And does the christian world really know what the 'FALLING AWAY" is. Its the falling away of the churches Scott. When the truth gets watered down and there is no substance for men to be guided. A lot of new doctrines have evolved since the church was set up by the appostles. A lot of damage can be done in the space of 2000 years. Satan has gone into the churches. He might be able to recite scripture, but he cant immitate the truth. Therefore we will know them whether they speak a truth or a lie. They do not lie on purpose but have been decieved. Satan is in the church distorting the word of God and causing all types of confusion. And we of the truth are mocked constantly as if we were from outer space. Highest praises to the Lord. We are rejects, like the appostles. But the christian going worldly taught are famous worldwide,loved and adored by the BIG christian world. They write books about them and people quote their words. Something doesn't fit here.

WEST OF JESUS: The Bible's Answer to the Protestant Departure from Orthodox Belief. by Anthony. (2006). Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 74-76.

Do you get my drift now. It should be stating;
Holy Bible
written and inspired by our Almighty Father in Heaven.

In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington God have mercy on all of us. Amen.
Yes, Amen
Thank you for your time Scott.

 

[Scotth1960]

you can never mix your worldly knowledge with spiritual knowledge you ahould know that by now worldly knowledge is of the world and spiriual knowledge comes from god . one can never find god by studying books written by men it will only lead you away from the truth . only god is truth everything t.hat cdmes out of the mouth of god is truth. mens heart is corrupt so are all their books . you MUSTdepend on the word of god only if you want to seek god . the haughty shall be brought down low . the humbel shal find god wakeup.

Dear wakeup; Logic? You are a man. All men are fallible. Therefore, you are fallible. Everything that proceedeth from the mouth of God (not "god") is Truth. People who believe in premillennialism seek a "this-worldly" kingdom of Christ. There is no kingdom. Christ's kingdom is not of this world. Christ's kingdom is in the world now, but it is not of this world. The Church acknowledges, "Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen." It may have once been believed by a few people, but the holy council of the Church (381 AD) said, "of whose [Christ's] kingdom there is (there shall be) no end." Christ's kingdom is forever, not for a mere 1000 years. Premillennialism is a great delusion, a "TRADITION OF MEN." I depend upon God's Word in the Church, not the words of the Bible taken out of context by the traditions of men. Just quoting the OT here and there won't establish the theory of chiliasm (premillennialism). It is an unproven, false theory. Don't expect a paradise anywhere on earth before the ETERNAL STATE of Heaven when Christ comes again. Not 1000 years from earthly Jerusalem, which crucified Christ. NEW JERUSALEM, not Zionist old Jerusalem, it the HOPE, the HOME, and the dwelling place of every born-again Christian. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Only the future will reveal what will happen. Christ our God will reign in (from) heaven and New Jerusalem, not the present earthly land of Israel (OLD Jerusalem.). TAKE CARE. My logic. I am a men. All men are fallible. Therefore, I am fallible, too. But Christ's Church is infallible (Mat. 16:18), and in 381 AD the Church decided against PREMILLENIALISM (ZIONISM), so the case is closed. No further possible sensationalistic speculation on these views, with 1,000 years of OT animal sacrifices again reinstated in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. That is blasphemy against the blood of Christ, which alone can cleanse and save us from all of our sins. AMEN.
PPS No more animal sacrifices in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem with an alleged 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ from the present earth. Christ's kingdom is NOT of this world (not of Jerusalem). But of the NEW Jerusalem, the Jerusalem ABOVE.

 

[wakeup]

Dear wakeup; Logic? You are a man. All men are fallible. Therefore, you are fallible.
I agree, I never said i was infallible. Not you, not me, and since we are talking about MEN.... then neither is the pope....do you agree ?

Everything that proceedeth from the mouth of God (not "god") is Truth.
If you think what i have quoted are my own words, then you're obviously not familiar with the sciptures, because they're all quoted from scriptures. All you have to do is check it up and read, for i did not write the scriptures.

People who believe in premillennialism seek a "this-worldly" kingdom of Christ. There is no kingdom. Christ's kingdom is not of this world. Christ's kingdom is in the world now, but it is not of this world.
I've never said that the millennium is now, but it will be established at the coming of Christ and commencing when He sits on His throne in Israel (Isaiah 11:6-10)

The Church acknowledges, "Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen."
it depends what church you are talking about , there are so many of them, you obviously are talking about your church. i only know of one church, and that church is all them that follow the scriptures in truth without contradiction or twisting the Word to fit their own doctrines.
The kingdom of God is in them who follow the true teachings of Christ. Not only by words, but by works also (Jesus said, "The kingdom of God is within you"). These are not my words.

It may have once been believed by a few people, but the holy council of the Church (381 AD) said, "of whose [Christ's] kingdom there is (there shall be) no end." Christ's kingdom is forever, not for a mere 1000 years.
You obviously have read the scriptures, but unfortunately have not noticed 1st Corinthians 15:25 where it says, " For He must reign TILL He hath put all His enmies under His feet ".

Premillennialism is a great delusion, a "TRADITION OF MEN." I depend upon God's Word in the Church, not the words of the Bible taken out of context by the traditions of men.
Premillennialism? As above. Seems that you disagree with traditions of man in the teachings, so do i....but the churches are all full of mans traditions. What say you about this?

Just quoting the OT here and there won't establish the theory of chiliasm (premillennialism). It is an unproven, false theory. Don't expect a paradise anywhere on earth before the ETERNAL STATE of Heaven when Christ comes again. Not 1000 years from earthly Jerusalem, which crucified Christ.
You keep saying i think the millennium has already started, did you read what i actually said in the first place? Please read it again. Regarding reading the old testament here and there, will not get anyone anywhere. Because we have to harmonize the whole book of the bible teachings without any contradiction whatsoever. Thats the only sign that you have the whole truth.

NEW JERUSALEM, not Zionist old Jerusalem, it the HOPE, the HOME, and the dwelling place of every born-again Christian. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Thy will be done, as in heaven.
Zechariah 2:
10: Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I come, and will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11: And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be My people; and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of Hosts hath sent me unto thee.
12: And the Lord shall inherit Judah, His portion in the Holy land, and shall choose JERUSALEM AGAIN (NOT heaven).
13: Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord; for He is raised up out of His Holy Habitation (He is coming)

PS Only the future will reveal what will happen. And just what do you and your church suppose PROPHECY means? Please explain? We need to understand prophecy to know what the future holds, just as our Father has meant it so.

Christ our God will reign in (from) heaven and New Jerusalem, not the present earthly land of Israel (OLD Jerusalem.).
Now take note of this please...
Isaiah 11:
6: And the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together, and the lion shall eat straw like th ox.
8: The suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice den.
9: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My HOLY MOUNTAIN; for the EARTH shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea (HEAVEN???)

TAKE CARE. My logic. I am a men. All men are fallible. Therefore, I am fallible, too. But Christ's Church is infallible (Mat. 16:18), and in 381 AD the CHURCH = Is only the pope INFALLIBLE?) decided against PREMILLENIALISM (ZIONISM), so the case is closed (In your eyes). No further possible sensationalistic speculation on these views, with 1,000 years of OT animal sacrifices agai reinstated in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem Don't you understand what sacrifices God is meaning when He talks of sacrifices? NOT ANIMAL SACRIFICES, but sacrifes of righteousness (restraining from sin) True believers are daily sacrificing at this moment by not touching the unclean thing. That is blasphemy against the blood of Christ, which alone can cleanse and save us from all of our sins. AMEN.
PPS No more animal sacrifices in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem with an alleged 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ from the present earth. Christ's kingdom is NOT of this world (not of Jerusalem). But of the NEW Jerusalem, the Jerusalem ABOVE. (New Jerusalem AFTER the millennium Revelation 21:2)
By your responses it is clear that you could not even perceive what was origionally said, because ALL your responses never even addressed what was spoken in the first place?

REGARDS
WAKEUP.

 

[Scotth1960]

No, the saints are dead. Waiting to be ressurected at Christ's return. It's done all at once at the appointed time.

"*

Dear friend, The Scripture says, "To be absent from the body is the be present with the Lord". How, then, can you say the saints are "dead"? They are alive in their souls in heaven, with Christ. They are only awaiting the resurrection of their bodies. But their minds, their souls, their spirits, are immortal, and with Christ in heaven. One day, all Christians who die in the Lord will be resurrected from the dead, but when a Christian dies, his soul goes immediately to be with Christ the Lord. So, the saints, the Christians in this age, and the Christians of past ages, and the Christians of ages to come, are all alive in Christ. Not dead. Death is merely a temporary thing: BECAUSE CHRIST IS RISEN. That is THE GOSPEL (THE GOOD NEWS OF SALVATION IN CHRIST!). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS As for the binding of Satan in Revelation, Satan is substantially restrained because of the preaching of the Gospel of God in Christ. He will only be released for a short time during the great Tribulation to come. Then Christ will come and finally defeat Satan when Jesus Christ returns in glory. Evil will continue to increase in the world, but it is not as bad as it could be, because the Holy Spirit is omnipotent and all-powerful, and much greater than a fallen creature, an angel called Lucifer. Lucifer is finite and not all powerful. Evil's powers in the present world are finite and limited, and they will always be finite and limited. Only God in His goodness is infinite and unlimited, and His mercy endureth for ever. His goodness and mercy shall follow the saints all the days of their lives, and they shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever (PSALM 23). God's people, the Church, will be blessed, and redeemed in the times from the day of Pentecost until the rapture of the Church at the Second Coming of our LORD GOD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST. God's people are being redeemed by the shed blood of Jesus Christ upon the Cross, and by the saving power of His glorious Resurrection from the dead. Christ is risen. Therefore there is hope for every sinner who repents, comes to Christ, and becomes a born again Christian. Being born again comes from baptism in water and in the Holy Spirit. Christ saves all the people who come to Him. He will continue to bless His sheep from the Day of Pentecost until the day that He returns in glory, to judge the living and the dead, of His Kingdom there is no end. May God have mercy on us all, in Christ Jesus: AMEN.
In a very real and profound sense, we can only understand the Bible with the help of the All Holy Spirit of truth, Who proceedeth from the Father (John 15:26). The Spirit (John 16:!3) will lead us as Christians into all the truth. He will not bring us to a knowledge of the book of Revelation before the times themselves reveal the mystery of this book. Until the very time of the end, this book of Revelation is a sealed (CLOSED) book. Parts of it are revealed ALREADY, but some parts of Revelation remain to be UNSEALED ONLY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. It may not actually be in our own lifetimes that the book of Revelation will be fully understood. As it is, regarding Revelation, "We know in part, and we prophecy in part". What is important is we know Christ died for us, to save us, and we believe in Him in order to be saved (JOHN 3:16). John3:16 is the key to the rest of the whole NT (New Testament). Amen. God save us all.

In Erie Scott

 

[Scotth1960]

[quote=wakeup;385669]REGARDS
WAKEUP.[/quote]
Dear WAKEUP, I didn't say that the pope was infallible. The pope is a man. All men are fallible. Therefore, the pope is fallible. As for trying to read the OT in search of millennialllism, this is a MISUSE of Scripture. Scripture is often symbolic, and these things are not to be taken literally. Only when Christians are finally redeemed by Christ and go to heaven will all the prophecies make sense. Then there shall be full knowledge of Christ, without any of the sins of the present age. In this present age, because of the presence of sin in the world, and in ourselves, we can not expect to understand all the PROPHECY of the Bible fully. But no prophecy of Scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation. Some Christians are TOO ANXIOUS FOR TOMORROW. But Christ reminds us, "Sufficient for the day is its own evil." We should be concerned with learning how to live better Christian lives NOW, not wondering about when the rapture will occur, or whether or not the Antichrist will appear on earth in our own times. Or whether we can finally understand everything in Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, like some hungry kid greedily open a candy box for some secret, gnostic, hidden knowledge. Some of the concern for understanding Bible prophecy is more gnostic and sensationalistic than Bible-believing Christian. Revelation is a small part of the NT. Let us, therefore, concern ourselves with knowing and finding the true interpretation of Matthew through Jude. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

REGARDS
WAKEUP.

WAKEUP, The premillennialists, at least SOME of them, do teach that there will be animal sacrifices in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem in an alleged future 1000 year millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ from earthly Zion (Jerusalem), they DO teach there will be animal sacrifices. That is a sin against the Cross of Christ. These things are taught in the premillennial dispensationalist magazine, "ISRAEL MY GLORY" (which see). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[DanuckInUSA]

Holy cut and paste thread Batman. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

 

[Scotth1960]

Holy cut and paste thread Batman. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

Dear DanuckInUSA, Those who defend a future 1000 year reign of Christ from Jerusalem as a kingdom of the Jews don't answer the question I asked: Will the OT be restored, with all the animal sacrifices, and the OT Jewish temple priesthood? If Christ's blood alone saves (cf. the whole book of Hebrews in the NT), why a return to the OT system of animal sacrifice in the OT covenant? Those who hold to Zionism and premilleniallism also hold to dispensationalism and Jewish animal sacrifices. Perhaps some people who hold premillennialism and a future earthly reign of Christ on earth do not hold to the Jewish OT distinctives. Perhaps they hold that all the people in a future millennium will be resurrected saints, and there will be no mortal human beings left, with marriages and raising of children. How can there be a mixture of resurrected and non-resurrected people? Where does the Scripture teach that? The whole chiliastic system seems arbitrary and Judaizing of the Gospel. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

part 1
After Satan is bound, the 1000 year reign will commence at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Christ will rule as King, and his saints who will be changed to spirit at his coming and will rule with him over the Israelites who are in the flesh. The new kingdom will be set up on earth in Israel as prophesied, and the boundaries of Israel will be atlered to a larger landscape.

It is not stated if Jesus and the saints will be visible as flesh cannot see spirit unless spirit reveals itself, but we do know that there will be survivors outside of Israel and they too will be given a chance to come in and learn the truth, only they cannot live there. Christs job will be accomplished at the end of the 1000 years and then he will hand his kingdom back to God, and God himself will dwell with us.

I will take you there step by step but cannot include all scripture relating as it will make this document even longer than it is.

Dear friends, People sometimes quote the Old Testament (OT) out of context to try to justify premillennialism (chiliasm)/ Zionism, and dispensationalism. These errors are common in our day, and have deceived, deluded, and confused many an unsuspecting believer. They speak against the true Christian Faith, which is revealed in the true Christian Creed, the Nicene Creed of 318 fathers of the holy Church Council of Constantinople I in 381 AD. We read:
"THE NICENE CREED "The Nicene Creed was composed by the First Council of Nicea (325 A.D.) and amplified by the First Council of Constantinople (381 A.D.). The Nicene Creed is a confession of the orthodox faith over and against Arianism, Apollinarianism, Macedonianism, and Chiliasm.
"While the confusion over and against the other heresies are generally known, less well known is the confession over and against Chiliasm. At the end of the second article of the Nicene Creed, immediately following the description of Christ's return to judge the living and the dead, we find the phrase, "whose kingdom shall have no end." This phrase refers to Christ's everlasting reign, and was added at the insistence of Cyril of Jerusalem to combat to the second article specifically to combat Chiliasm. Chiliasm is known today as millennialism, and its best-known variant (at least in the United States) is Dispensationalism.
"The Millennialist who does not subscribe to the Dispensationalist error sees the millennial kingdom as a future Golden Age where Christ rules over His people on the earth. For those Millennialists, this thousand-year reign is but the first stage of Christ's everlasting kingdom. The Dispensationalist sees Christ's millennial reign as being primarily a Jewish kingdom, and a fulfillment of the Kingdom promises made to Israel in the Old Testament. For the Millennialist and the Dispensationalist, the Nicene Creed is difficult to get around. The Millennialist gets around it through sophistry, by making a flawed argument that the millennial reign of Christ of earth is "only the first stage of Christ's eternal kingdom." but a first stage in the everlasting reign of Christ in heaven. This is a flawed argument because Christ's eternal reign over a corrupted earth cannot be equated with Christ's everlasting reign over a new heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21:1). Furthermore, Christ's millennial reign exists in time and has a definite end; Christ's eternal reign exists outside of time and has no end.
"The second article of the Nicene Creed repeats nearly word for word what we find in the Apostles' Creed concerning Christ's return to judgment. Like the Apostles' Creed, it is clear that only one return is in view, and one judgment. The third article of the Nicene Creed contains some interesting variants from the Apostle's creed. Instead of the "resurrection of the body", the Nicene Creed speaks of the "resurrection of the dead." Thus we know that it is the resurrection of the dead we are speaking of specifically, and not simply a bodily assumption of the living , (as occurred with Enoch and Elijah.)"
See on GOOGLE under "Milllennialism and the Three Ecumenical Creeds" by Kristofer Carlson, October 2007

God bless us. Every Christian should accept the Nicene Creed as the true confession of the true Christian Faith, a faith for all people, because it is the same "faith once delivered to the saints" (as indicated in St. Jude 3 in the NT Bible). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[journey41]

Praise the Lord. Well laid out Journey..easy to understand and informative !!

Journey is well aware that sacrifices as described within her post are not sacrifices as in the method of the ways of the Old Covenant. But some may read into this a different meaning than meant..So, to jump the gun and clear any misunderstandings before they arise, these are the sacrifices meant and understood:

Psalm 51
v16: For Thou desirest not sacrifice, else would i give it: Thou delightest not in burnt offering.
v17: The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.
v18: Do good in Thy good pleasure unto Zion: build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
v19: THEN shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering, then shall they offer bullocks upon Thine alter.

Burnt offerings and bullocks are symbolic. The only acceptable sacrifices are the sacrifices of righteousness, and these "bullocks" (sacrifices of righteousness) are the greatest offerings to be burnt upon His alter (In His Name/servitude/tent), that is, the sacrifice of fleshly pleasures over what is right and acceptable...a sure symbolic Bullock/gesture/commitment of great worth to God.

Hi Scott & everybody else wondering, Devolution explained the question you asked concerning OT sacrifices during the millenium. Why would Jeus put the Jews back under the old law he released them from at his death and resurrection? Doesn't make sense? Yes, the quoted verse confuses some, so they say it is written & doesn't make sense that this time belongs in the millenium timeframe?..... but it does belong. Lets take a closer look and examine the following verses. I have an easier way of explaining to make you see the picture a little bit more clearer...If you will let me..and your heart is crying for truth.

Romans 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have NOT BOWED the knee to the IMAGE of BAAL.


THE ISRAELITES THAT WERE UNDER THE LAW
DID MAKE
SACRAFICES UNTO THE LORD
AS COMMANDED.


And what does the WORD say in Isaiah;

Isaiah 56:7 Even THEM I will BRING to my HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make THEM joyful in my house of prayer: Their BURNT OFFERINGS and their SACRIFICES shall be ACCEPTED upon MINE ALTAR, for mine house shall be called a house of prayer for all people.


So, can you see that their sacrifices WILL BE ACCEPTED. These RESERVED ones DID NOT WORSHIP BAAL. They worshipped the lord and their sacrifices were HOLY and CLEAN. They will be ACCEPTED in his HOLY MOUNTAIN..

BUT..... the rest of the Israelites who were contaminated through worship of false Gods, still made sacrifices unto the Lord, but their sacrifices were POLLUTED, therefore NOT HOLY and not CLEAN. There fore God tells them;


Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the MULTITUDE of YOUR SACRIFICES unto me? says the Lord. I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of the fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of the he goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meetings.


Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear. your hands are full of blood.


These ones will NOT be ACCEPTED. Will NOT be INCLUDED in the REMNANT. Will NOT be RESSURECTED into the FLESH to be given the OPPORTUNITY to KNOW the LAMB and FEED of the NEW COVENANT during the 1000 year reign with Christ.


Isaiah 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very SMALL REMNANT, we should of been as SODOM, and we should have been like GOMORROAH.


Its really quite simple when you look at what the scriptures state, then connect them and throw in a little big of logic. It's not personal interpretation, Its hearing and anylising the word of Lord and putting it ALL together. Not just taking out a verse and saying.... "but it says such and such, so it cant be"......Put it together. Connect the scriptures. Join the dots..... IT HAS TO FIT with his plan. This is what searching requires.


Peace to you Scott. Please consider these things.

 

[Zossima]

"After Satan is bound, the 1000 year reign will commence at the second coming of Jesus Christ."

This statement presumes satan has not yet been bound, which is an error. Satan was bound by the ministry of Christ on earth in the first century. First, when Jesus said to the devil in the wilderness temptation, "Begone," He was using the same word He would use in casting out demons (Matt. 4:10, 8:32). Next, He asks, "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house" (Matt. 12:29). The "strong man" is satan who has been "cast out" (John 12:31) by Christ. Note that in Revelation 20 the binding is not absolute; satan is not bound from deceiving anyone, he is only restrained from deceiving the "nations". He can still tempt me or you but he cannot stop the progress of the Gospel to all the nations of the earth (Matt. 16:18). scotth is correct in his comments on chiliasm. In order to say that chiliasm (millennialism) is true doctrine, then you have to admit also that the same council was wrong concerning the divinity of the Son and the Holy Spirit Sorry folks, but this isn't a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want and skip what you don't want. Read your whole Bible and not just the parts the preachers point out to you and you might be amazed what you will learn.

the sinner, zossima

 

[journey41]

Praise the Lord. Well laid out Journey..easy to understand and informative !!

Hi Scott & everybody else wondering, Devolution explained the question you asked concerning OT sacrifices during the millenium. Why would Jeus put the Jews back under the old law he released them from at his death and resurrection? Doesn't make sense? Yes, the quoted verse confuses some, so they say it is written & doesn't make sense that this time belongs in the millenium timeframe?..... but it does belong. Lets take a closer look and examine the following verses. I have an easier way of explaining to make you see the picture a little bit more clearer...If you will let me..and your heart is crying for truth.

Romans 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have NOT BOWED the knee to the IMAGE of BAAL.


THE ISRAELITES THAT WERE UNDER THE LAW
DID MAKE
SACRAFICES UNTO THE LORD
AS COMMANDED.


And what does the WORD say in Isaiah;

Isaiah 56:7 Even THEM I will BRING to my HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make THEM joyful in my house of prayer: Their BURNT OFFERINGS and their SACRIFICES shall be ACCEPTED upon MINE ALTAR, for mine house shall be called a house of prayer for all people.


So, can you see that their sacrifices WILL BE ACCEPTED. These RESERVED ones DID NOT WORSHIP BAAL. They worshipped the lord and their sacrifices were HOLY and CLEAN. They will be ACCEPTED in his HOLY MOUNTAIN..

BUT..... the rest of the Israelites who were contaminated through worship of false Gods, still made sacrifices unto the Lord, but their sacrifices were POLLUTED, therefore NOT HOLY and not CLEAN. There fore God tells them;


Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the MULTITUDE of YOUR SACRIFICES unto me? says the Lord. I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of the fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of the he goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meetings.


Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear. your hands are full of blood.


These ones will NOT be ACCEPTED. Will NOT be INCLUDED in the REMNANT. Will NOT be RESSURECTED into the FLESH to be given the OPPORTUNITY to KNOW the LAMB and FEED of the NEW COVENANT during the 1000 year reign with Christ.


Isaiah 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very SMALL REMNANT, we should of been as SODOM, and we should have been like GOMORROAH.


Its really quite simple when you look at what the scriptures state, then connect them and throw in a little big of logic. It's not personal interpretation, Its hearing and anylising the word of Lord and putting it ALL together. Not just taking out a verse and saying.... "but it says such and such, so it cant be"......Put it together. Connect the scriptures. Join the dots..... IT HAS TO FIT with his plan. This is what searching requires.


Peace to you Scott. Please consider these things.

I just wanted to add, that the sacrfices were ONLY accepted in Gods Holy Mountain...and those sacrifices of the old law ie. burnt offerings etc will not continue in the same manner as they once did.

 

[Scotth1960]

Praise the Lord. Well laid out Journey..easy to understand and informative !!

Hi Scott & everybody else wondering, Devolution explained the question you asked concerning OT sacrifices during the millenium. Why would Jeus put the Jews back under the old law he released them from at his death and resurrection? Doesn't make sense? Yes, the quoted verse confuses some, so they say it is written & doesn't make sense that this time belongs in the millenium timeframe?..... but it does belong. Lets take a closer look and examine the following verses. I have an easier way of explaining to make you see the picture a little bit more clearer...If you will let me..and your heart is crying for truth.

Romans 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have NOT BOWED the knee to the IMAGE of BAAL.


THE ISRAELITES THAT WERE UNDER THE LAW
DID MAKE
SACRAFICES UNTO THE LORD
AS COMMANDED.


And what does the WORD say in Isaiah;

Isaiah 56:7 Even THEM I will BRING to my HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make THEM joyful in my house of prayer: Their BURNT OFFERINGS and their SACRIFICES shall be ACCEPTED upon MINE ALTAR, for mine house shall be called a house of prayer for all people.


So, can you see that their sacrifices WILL BE ACCEPTED. These RESERVED ones DID NOT WORSHIP BAAL. They worshipped the lord and their sacrifices were HOLY and CLEAN. They will be ACCEPTED in his HOLY MOUNTAIN..


Peace to you Scott. Please consider these things.

Dear journey41, You assume these sacrifices will be offered in some future millennial kingdom. This verse Isaiah 56:7 does not say when these sacrifices will be offered. Why should we not think these sacrifices were already offered in the 2nd Jewish temple, and accepted by Christ. In any case, what should matter to us we can not pick-and-choose random verses of the OT (Old Testament) to produce a random, Judaizing theology. Many, most, or perhaps even all of these OT prophecies have already been fulfilled. The New Covenant, New Testament of Christ, has come. And therefore OT prophecies are all fulfilled in the coming of Christ the Messiah. The only prophecy yet to be fulfilled is the second coming of Christ the Messiah. There is no reason to consider these things, for not everyone should be reading the Bible without proper guidance. It is impossible to rightly understand the Bible outside of the proper interpretations by the Church fathers and the teachers of the historic Church. This historic NT Church is the same as the Orthodox Church of today. We should turn to the Orthodox Christians for guidance in what the OT Prophets mean for us today. And what they have always meant. Chiliasm is not possible, now that the Church exists and has existed since the day of Pentecost in 30 AD. She has had seven common councils, which span the time period from 325 AD to 787 AD. We should be learning from Church history. The second council in 381 AD already teaches of, of Christ's kingdom "there shall be no end." His kingdom will not be a future 1000 year kingdom from Israel. His kingdom exists in the Orthodox Church now, and will exist forever and ever, now and unto the ages of ages, until He comes in His forever Kingdom in the New Jerusalem of Heaven. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Non-Orthodox Christians can of course can and shall be saved by Christ, and it will be Christ Who will say about that, this is a mystery of course only Christ has right to say who is saved, how non-Orthodox Christians shall be saved. Orthodox Christians can and shall be saved by Christ, through His grace and mercy in the 7 sacraments of the Church. What saves all Christians is the shed blood of Christ on the Cross and His glorious rising from the dead after 3 days. Amen.
Come Lord Jesus: Come and save us: Lord, remember us when You come in Your Kingdom. Amen.

 

[Scotth1960]

"After Satan is bound, the 1000 year reign will commence at the second coming of Jesus Christ."

This statement presumes satan has not yet been bound, which is an error. Satan was bound by the ministry of Christ on earth in the first century. First, when Jesus said to the devil in the wilderness temptation, "Begone," He was using the same word He would use in casting out demons (Matt. 4:10, 8:32). Next, He asks, "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house" (Matt. 12:29). The "strong man" is satan who has been "cast out" (John 12:31) by Christ. Note that in Revelation 20 the binding is not absolute; satan is not bound from deceiving anyone, he is only restrained from deceiving the "nations". He can still tempt me or you but he cannot stop the progress of the Gospel to all the nations of the earth (Matt. 16:18). scotth is correct in his comments on chiliasm. In order to say that chiliasm (millennialism) is true doctrine, then you have to admit also that the same council was wrong concerning the divinity of the Son and the Holy Spirit Sorry folks, but this isn't a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want and skip what you don't want. Read your whole Bible and not just the parts the preachers point out to you and you might be amazed what you will learn.

the sinner, zossima

Amen to all these comments by Zossima. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us. Lord, remember us when You come in Your Kingdom. All of you, the Lord remember in His Kingdom. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[journey41]

I just wanted to add, that the sacrfices were ONLY accepted in Gods Holy Mountain...and those sacrifices of the old law ie. burnt offerings etc will not continue in the same manner as they once did

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O.k. Scott. You might of missed this post, but if you havn't, you cannot see reason. I will not argue back and forth as there is no profit in it. You geniunly believe what you believe and I accept that....But for the sake of the believers I have answered and explained, and please keep in mind that we are talking about the Lords scriptures here, not mine. Our Lord is the judge, not me, on wherether I declare his words falsely or in truth.

I will leave it up to the Lord to show you these things if that is what he has in store for you at a later time.

Peace to you in Christ.