is jesus god ?? or son of g0d ?

[wakeup]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?
2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?
3. why did he say , my father is greater than i
4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?
5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?


all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty you can not just accept any ones opinion without looking in to it very seriously because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping this is called . knowing your lord spending time to seek him. because you dont him on the mountain or behind that hill or in this church or that church (need to read john4:21-----24)

so, who is jesus realy. you start with reading john 1:1 : in the beginning was the Word and the word was with GOD and the WORD was GOD : it simply is saying that GODS WORD is inside him just like our word is inside us. we also can achieve things just by speaking. because we are created in the image of GOD :
now the WORD became flesh, how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born: and the WORD became flesh. and he dwellt among us(men ) inside the flesh dwells GOD. he is the temple of GOD, when he open his mouth god is speaking.
.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Yeah Jesus is God.....when He is known for being the Son of God that makes Him fully God and when he says He is the Son of man He is referring to the fully human side.

Now God does not look a pond sin and when Jesus held all of our sins on Him, He was covered in our sins and God does not look a pond sin and Jesus said that because God had abandoned Him for what He held.......but Jesus was raised from the dead by Himself (Father)......This proves Jesus is God so what do you mean when He said "my Go my God" because i had just explained it, that verse itself explains Jesus being God

 

[wakeup]

can you honestly anwer thes questions then, without going all over the place .

1. you said that that GOD resurected him self ? that only means he did not realy die ?

2. but the scribture said he died and was burried for three and a half days?

3. whos voice was it from heaven that says , this is my beloved son ?

4. who is sitting on the right hand side of god in heaven? pslm.110:1 .









































if jesus is GOD, then who rose him from the dead?

if jesus rose himself from the dead, then he was not realy dead (was it all a hoax?)

who then is sitting on the right hand of god?pslm110:1.

is GOD the son of david?

when he was on the cross did not GOD leave him? (my GOD , myGOD why have you forsaken me.)

didnt he say just when he died, father into your hand i commend my spirit (luke 23:46)

was he just playing agame with us? this doctrine that jesus is GOD it not bringing people to god but to the contrary. you can not just make up a doctrine . just because you can not understand a scribture

i know JOHN1:1 can not br understood by the christian world . so they invented the doctrine of the trinity,

annd the world loved it , and embraced it ? what is embraced by the world usualy are things of the world.=======wakeup""

 

[livingbygrace]

can you honestly anwer thes questions then, without going all over the place .

1. you said that that GOD resurected him self ? that only means he did not realy die ?

2. but the scribture said he died and was burried for three and a half days?

3. whos voice was it from heaven that says , this is my beloved son ?

4. who is sitting on the right hand side of god in heaven? pslm.110:1 .

But what about you, who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter replied
'You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Jesus replied
God has blessed you simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in Heaven

Interesting to note the revelation wasn't.

'You are God Himself in three persons
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

You are right to mention Rev 3:12

Also Christ was given authority by his Father
Can you receive authority from another unless they are greater than you?

The Father is greater than I John 14:L28

 

[Dutch41]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?
2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?
3. why did he say , my father is greater than i
4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?
5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?


all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty you can not just accept any ones opinion without looking in to it very seriously because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping this is called . knowing your lord spending time to seek him. because you dont him on the mountain or behind that hill or in this church or that church (need to read john4:21-----24)

so, who is jesus realy. you start with reading john 1:1 : in the beginning was the Word and the word was with GOD and the WORD was GOD : it simply is saying that GODS WORD is inside him just like our word is inside us. we also can achieve things just by speaking. because we are created in the image of GOD :
now the WORD became flesh, how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born: and the WORD became flesh. and he dwellt among us(men ) inside the flesh dwells GOD. he is the temple of GOD, when he open his mouth god is speaking.
.

The answer you can find in Fil 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who is Jesus? Well, He is was in the form of God, equal of God.. And He is the Word of God. And God is the Word.

So when we read that God became a human, we understand why He called His Father God.

When we we read Act 20:28 there is written some interesting:
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Here in this verse we can see the church of God, is purchased with His own blood. And the blood of God, is Jesus revealed in Human.

The Bible teach God became a human. And like I believe a tri-unity.

if jesus is GOD, then who rose him from the dead?

Do you know what Jesus said about this? I think it is good to ask questions.. but it is better to seek the answers by your self. Because the sollution is there.. written in the Bible.

Jesus said by His own words, written in John 2:19-22(confirming written in Mt and Mr)
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


When Jesus was human, He was complete human.. not for a part.. but like you and me.

And I think when you read the passage and study the Bible by your own.. I think you get your answers.

 

[Worship]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?

God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth is the God of us and the God of Jesus himself, (( But said Christ: "O children of Israel! worship God, my Lord, and your Lord.")) Qur'an5:72, ((And when Isa (Jesus) came with Clear Signs, he said: "I have come to you with Wisdom, and to expound Unto you some of that wherein ye differ, So keep your duty to God and obey me,Verily, God! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him.This is the Straight Path.")) Qur'an 43:63,64

why did he say i my self can not do anything ?

Jesus (peace be upon him) can not do anything whithout his lord, every miracles he did was by God's leave , not by his own ability, (( And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by God's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.)) Qur'an 3:49

all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty ... because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping

We should worship the One true God, the lord who Created the heavens and the earth and us and created Jesus too, ((O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you.)) Qur'an 2:21, we should worship the God who Jesus (peace be upon him) himself was worshiping him, ((He is God the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, And there is none like unto Him.)) Qur'an, Chapter 112

how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born.

((And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship)....(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto God ). She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). God createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.)) Qur'an 3:42,43,45,46,47

so, who is jesus realy.

((Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how god doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!)) Qur'an 5:75,((And say, "Praise is for that God who has begotten no son nor has any partner in His Kingdom nor is helpless to need any supporter,"And glorify Him in the most glorious way.)) Qur'an 17:111

 

[resurrection33]

Jesus is God in flesh, I believe. In other words, God decided to come to earth in the form of a human being, and he did so as Jesus Christ.

 

[PBUH]

Yeah Jesus is God.....when He is known for being the Son of God that makes Him fully God and when he says He is the Son of man He is referring to the fully human side.

Now God does not look a pond sin and when Jesus held all of our sins on Him, He was covered in our sins and God does not look a pond sin and Jesus said that because God had abandoned Him for what He held.......but Jesus was raised from the dead by Himself (Father)......This proves Jesus is God so what do you mean when He said "my Go my God" because i had just explained it, that verse itself explains Jesus being God

Hi C

Jesus raised himself up from the dead ?

The bible is the inspired word of God but no one can say what Jesus pbuh last words were. Well people will produce an elaborate timeline and deduce what they think it was but that is not the point. One of the most witnesses events in history but all gospels have a different account and have different last words. Woe to the scribe for the mess they have created.

Jesus prophesied that he will be like Jonah pbut. Jonah was perceived dead by all when he was swallowed by the whale but he was alive. I can just imagine Jonah pbuh return.

Hey Jonah you are suppose to be dead. Are you a ghost ?

Here touch me, see I have a body.

Oh my God it is you Jonah.

 

[DanuckInUSA]

both. There is hope for you yet PBUH

 

[Zossima]

Dear Wakeup, why don't you live up to your online name and realize you are not the first Christian nor is this generation the first Christian generation and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. The questions you are asking were asked and hashed out many centuries ago by Christians more knowledgable than you or I. If you were actually a member of the Church which Jesus built, you wouldn't be asking these questions because the Church would have already taught concerning all the issues. If you are serious about wanting to know the Word better, then obtain and read the book ON THE INCARNATION by ST ATHANASIUS. When you understand that Jesus was one person in two natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, then it is easy to understand what the gospels say concerning Jesus: simply ascribe a characteristic to the appropriate nature. That's how ancient Christians handled it and so do trinitarians today.

the sinner, Zossima

 

[mpaper345]

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh(1 Timothy 3:16),which means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,making Jesus a visible manifestation of the invisible God,for He is God with us(Matthew 1:23),and God Himself personally preaching to the Jews through the man Christ Jesus,which Jesus said it is the Father in Me,He does the works(John 14:7-11),and in the Old Testament God said that one day the Jews would know His new name and He would speak to them(Isaiah 52:6).

Jesus is fully God and fully man.

The Bible says God is in all and through all(Ephesians 4:6).

We have the Spirit like the man Christ Jesus has the Spirit,but the man Christ Jesus has the fulness of God's attributes,where the saints have partial attributes.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and this manifestation is different from the time that God appeared to Abraham in flesh,for there was no human present with a personality,but God in a human manifestation,but Jesus is God appearing in flesh,but this human has His own distinction,but He was always led of the Spirit to do the will of the Father.

The man Christ Jesus had to recognize the Father as His Father,like a saint has to recognize God as their Father.

When the man Christ Jesus was on the cross,and the sins of the world was placed on Him,He felt what it was like to be separate from God,but Jesus said the Father will never leave Him.

The man Christ Jesus is inferior to the Father.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and could speak from the viewpoint of God,or the viewpoint of man.

 

[PBUH]

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh(1 Timothy 3:16),which means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,making Jesus a visible manifestation of the invisible God,for He is God with us(Matthew 1:23),and God Himself personally preaching to the Jews through the man Christ Jesus,which Jesus said it is the Father in Me,He does the works(John 14:7-11),and in the Old Testament God said that one day the Jews would know His new name and He would speak to them(Isaiah 52:6).

Jesus is fully God and fully man.

The Bible says God is in all and through all(Ephesians 4:6).

We have the Spirit like the man Christ Jesus has the Spirit,but the man Christ Jesus has the fulness of God's attributes,where the saints have partial attributes.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and this manifestation is different from the time that God appeared to Abraham in flesh,for there was no human present with a personality,but God in a human manifestation,but Jesus is God appearing in flesh,but this human has His own distinction,but He was always led of the Spirit to do the will of the Father.

The man Christ Jesus had to recognize the Father as His Father,like a saint has to recognize God as their Father.

When the man Christ Jesus was on the cross,and the sins of the world was placed on Him,He felt what it was like to be separate from God,but Jesus said the Father will never leave Him.

The man Christ Jesus is inferior to the Father.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and could speak from the viewpoint of God,or the viewpoint of man.

So you got all this from the teachings of Jesus pbuh ? Where did he say all this ?

 

[wakeup]

God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth is the God of us and the God of Jesus himself, (( But said Christ: "O children of Israel! worship God, my Lord, and your Lord.")) Qur'an5:72, ((And when Isa (Jesus) came with Clear Signs, he said: "I have come to you with Wisdom, and to expound Unto you some of that wherein ye differ, So keep your duty to God and obey me,Verily, God! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him.This is the Straight Path.")) Qur'an 43:63,64

Jesus (peace be upon him) can not do anything whithout his lord, every miracles he did was by God's leave , not by his own ability, (( And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by God's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.)) Qur'an 3:49


We should worship the One true God, the lord who Created the heavens and the earth and us and created Jesus too, ((O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you.)) Qur'an 2:21, we should worship the God who Jesus (peace be upon him) himself was worshiping him, ((He is God the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, And there is none like unto Him.)) Qur'an, Chapter 112

((And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship)....(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah,

Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto God ). She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). God createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.)) Qur'an 3:42,43,45,46,47

((Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how god doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!)) Qur'an 5:75,((And say, "Praise is for that God who has begotten no son nor has any partner in His Kingdom nor is helpless to need any supporter,"And glorify Him in the most glorious way.)) Qur'an 17:111

allright my friend, lets have a serious discussion about the qur an and i am hoping for a honest one just concentratiing on the truth and what is truth ? everything that proceided out of the mouth of GOD is truth.
jesus came out of the mout of GOD he is the word of GOD : john 1:1 in the beginning was the word , and the
WORD was with GOD and the word was god: same as your word is in you and you are your word. simple..
now is question time.
1. where was the qur an before mohamad?
2.moh. is 630yrs after jesus .
3where was the teachings of the qur an from the days of abraham to the days the appostles?
4. where were the muslims during those thousands of yrs ?
5. muslim means commit, commit to what in those thousands of yrs? what was the muslem teachings back then? compare the teachings the teachings jesus in the sermon of the mount. he says love your enemy not kill your enemy?
6. where were your mosqs in those days?
7.read genesis ch.16:12. about ishmael , quote. and he will be a wild man,his hand will be against every man,and every mans hand against him,and he will dwell in the presence of all his bretheren. now does GOD teach us to kill our brethren? where does this teaching come from? if it is not from GOD, then from where?
GOD says love your enemy . GOD also says revenge belong to me. we can not judge because we are full of sin
only GOD is arightious judge. remember when jesus said, he with no sin let him throw the first stone.
8. going back to the mosques , there were no mosques build 3000 yrs ago, only king solomon build GODS temple. GOD promised his people a land flowing with milk and honey,the isralites received that land because of sin.but do you think god has changed his mind? does GOD think like us? no that land will come as promised,
and that would be in the 1000yrs reign when jesus comes back there will be no more tears no more pain no more war. so my muslem friends love your enemies, let not the spirit of hate dwell in you , make friends with
peace for your own sakes. and leave judgement to the most holy.------------you have a nice one--------wakeup

 

[wakeup]

Dear Wakeup, why don't you live up to your online name and realize you are not the first Christian nor is this generation the first Christian generation and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. The questions you are asking were asked and hashed out many centuries ago by Christians more knowledgable than you or I. If you were actually a member of the Church which Jesus built, you wouldn't be asking these questions because the Church would have already taught concerning all the issues. If you are serious about wanting to know the Word better, then obtain and read the book ON THE INCARNATION by ST ATHANASIUS. When you understand that Jesus was one person in two natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, then it is easy to understand what the gospels say concerning Jesus: simply ascribe a characteristic to the appropriate nature. That's how ancient Christians handled it and so do trinitarians today.

the sinner, Zossima

did i ever say i am the wise man? no twisting my words around please no time for that.
you still has not answered my question? please explain step by step who is jesus you certainly can not explain it by using trinety it will be more mind bogeling , but that is the whole idea to confuse to make them feel stupid
so they stop asking more questions. re, reading books, i only read one book if it is concerning GOD : the holy bible. read luke10:22 . about knowing jesus. no man knows the son but the father? what say you? to cont.
and he to whom the son will reveal him. the doctrine of the trinety will only confuse, but thats what it is all about to confuse. so you must be allert my friend. wakeup

 

[wakeup]

God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth is the God of us and the God of Jesus himself, (( But said Christ: "O children of Israel! worship God, my Lord, and your Lord.")) Qur'an5:72, ((And when Isa (Jesus) came with Clear Signs, he said: "I have come to you with Wisdom, and to expound Unto you some of that wherein ye differ, So keep your duty to God and obey me,Verily, God! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him.This is the Straight Path.")) Qur'an 43:63,64

Jesus (peace be upon him) can not do anything whithout his lord, every miracles he did was by God's leave , not by his own ability, (( And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by God's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.)) Qur'an 3:49


We should worship the One true God, the lord who Created the heavens and the earth and us and created Jesus too, ((O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you.)) Qur'an 2:21, we should worship the God who Jesus (peace be upon him) himself was worshiping him, ((He is God the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, And there is none like unto Him.)) Qur'an, Chapter 112

((And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship)....(And r
emember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto God ). She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). God createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.)) Qur'an 3:42,43,45,46,47

((Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how god doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!)) Qur'an 5:75,((And say, "Praise is for that God who has begotten no son nor has any partner in His Kingdom nor is helpless to need any supporter,"And glorify Him in the most glorious way.)) Qur'an 17:111

you still have not answered all my qeustions my friend? not one.
you seem to believe in jesus but you are totaly ignoring his comandments not only that , you also
contradicting his teachings all of it ??? so where are you? you are in between . between no where and no where, is no where ? you dont worship GOD by just , pick a religion that you feel comfartable, just like the
christians do, to worship GOD is a very serious thing. it is life or death, we must take GOD very seriously .
so how do you find GOD? first you study jesus what he teach, his history , did he really rise from the dead?
500 men saw him rose from the dead. after he rose from the dead , he visits his friends ,eat with them and
drank with him, he stayed on earth for 40days then he was taken up in the clouds.
now, witch witnesses are more reliable, they that was eating and drinking with him walked with him, or the
witnesses that lived 630 yrs later?? be honest, we are talking GOD here(life)not just religion, i my self dont
like relligion, all relligion are corrupt because mens heart is corrupt. and money getting involved makes it more
deadly corrupt. my advice my friend , dont go for relligion muslem or christian, but seek GOD with all your heart if you do this, you will find GOD. and dont let anything pressure you to believe in some relligion

my regards to you from wakeup

 

[superdave5221]

Jesus is God. The scriptural verses to that effect are numerous, beginning with John 1:1. However, when Jesus came to earth to perform His earthly ministry, He became the Son of God. This is because He subjected Himself to God for the redemptive work that He was to perform. He is not eternally the Son of God. In the ancient near east culture, to be subject to someone, for example, a vassal king, is to be the son of that person or king you are subject to.

2 Kings 16: 7 So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, saying , I am thy servant and thy son: come up , and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria, and out of the hand of the king of Israel, which rise up against me. (KJV)

Consider the following:

Philippians 2: 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The word translated "nature" is the Greek "morphe". This word denotes the very nature and essense of the thing being imitated. Thus, He is God. If Paul had meant "having only the superficial form of God or being like God in action" he would have used the Greek word "schema" instead. Thus Jesus subjected Himself to God while in the flesh, even until death on the cross. At that time, Jesus was once again equal with God. However, as far as we are concerned, Jesus is still between us and God.

1 Corinthians 11: 3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

The above is a relational scripture, in that it does not subject Jesus to God, but subjects us to Jesus, in order that we may know God.

 

[Scotth1960]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?
2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?
3. why did he say , my father is greater than i
4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?
5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?


all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty you can not just accept any ones opinion without looking in to it very seriously because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping this is called . knowing your lord spending time to seek him. because you dont him on the mountain or behind that hill or in this church or that church (need to read john4:21-----24)

so, who is jesus realy. you start with reading john 1:1 : in the beginning was the Word and the word was with GOD and the WORD was GOD : it simply is saying that GODS WORD is inside him just like our word is inside us. we also can achieve things just by speaking. because we are created in the image of GOD :
now the WORD became flesh, how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born: and the WORD became flesh. and he dwellt among us(men ) inside the flesh dwells GOD. he is the temple of GOD, when he open his mouth god is speaking.
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God is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit: One God, not three gods. One God in Three Persons; Three Persons in One God. Christ is God, is the Only-begotten Son of God. He is true God and true man. One Christ in two natures. He is the Messiah, Saviour, and LORD GOD of all. In Erie Scott

 

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. Christ is God, is the Only-begotten Son of God. He is true God and true man.

Father glorify your son, that your son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he mighht give eternal life to all those you have given him
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent


John 17:1-3

 

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Jesus is God. The scriptural verses to that effect are numerous, beginning with John 1:1. However, when Jesus came to earth to perform His earthly ministry, He became the Son of God. This is because He subjected Himself to God for the redemptive work that He was to perform. He is not eternally the Son of God. In the ancient near east culture, to be subject to someone, for example, a vassal king, is to be the son of that person or king you are subject to.

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Then the end wil come whenm he (Jesus) hands over the kingdom to God the Father.after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power
For he must reign until he hjas put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he (God) has put everything under his(Jesus) feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, then the son himself will become subject to Him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all

1 Cor 15:27&28

Paul is saying here that when all authority, dominion, and power has been defeated, and death Christ will become subject to God.

 

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Then the end wil come whenm he (Jesus) hands over the kingdom to God the Father.after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power
For he must reign until he hjas put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he (God) has put everything under his(Jesus) feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, then the son himself will become subject to Him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all

1 Cor 15:27&28

Paul is saying here that when all authority, dominion, and power has been defeated, and death Christ will become subject to God.

1 Corinthians 15: 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Those are interesting verses LBG. I am quite sure that Jesus was subject to the Father when He walked on the earth, "not my will but thine be done". Sound familiar? What does it mean that "God may be all in all"? You may be right that these verses may mean that Jesus will be subject to the Father. But I don't think so. I am certainly sure that if He will be, then He is now as well.

What I believe these verses are referring to is that Jesus will be subject to the will of the Godhead, or the will of the Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit in perfect unity with each other, a solidarity of will, so to speak. I think that is what is meant by "all in all".

I prefer this to your explanation, which brings the divinity of Jesus into question on one hand, or our monotheistic principles on the other. I would hesitate to take one passage, which interpretation might be questionable, and use it to outweigh the many scriptures which call for Jesus' divinity, and one God.

For your explanation begs the question, How can God be subject to God? If God is a triune God, then it is possible that the individual parts may be subject to the whole, but the whole cannot be subject to itself.